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True Catholic evangelization will not and cannot begin until the rotten apostate V2 invention is gone from the planet. How can I convert people when I can't send them to the nearest "Catholic" church for instruction? When I can't invite Father over for a chat with them? When I can't take them to Mass with me, to witness its overpowering truth and beauty? Right from the beginning, I have to tell some potential convert about the mass apostasy after V2, and how the Novus Ordo, which is 99% of all the masses, churches, and priests, much be avoided, all of which makes me sound like some kind of a schizoid cult member.

You are so right.  How do you square this circle?  Catholic dogma states that the visible Church will remain until the end of time.  Yet 99% of the visible Church is “church” in name only.  In our life times, the true Church seems to have disappeared.  Yet we’ve got a dogma that says this can’t happen.

Ruminating on this conundrum is causing me to have a more expansive definition of “Church.”  My way of trying to square the circle is to speculate that the “Church” is the assembly of people who DESIRE to be in God’s Church (who aren't necessarily yet in God's Church).  This is a relativistic approach and I don’t like it.  But I can’t conceive of anything better.

Taking it to its logical conclusion, anyone TRYING to be in the right Church, TRYING to worship God the way He wants us to, will eventually end up a Traditional Catholic.  In this view, people who die Baptists or Novus Ordites are lying in the same bed of disbelief.  Conversely, people who start out as atheists and are moved by their love of truth and reality to become theists and are on their way to becoming Baptists but are interrupted by death before they make it to Catholicism are maybe honorary pre-emptive members of the Catholic Church.  I’d like to think so anyways. – Cheers, Albert the Traditional Catholic Ruminating and Despairing of Understanding

Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus

Central America is full of these pathetic losers. Whenever I run into some of them in the street, I start asking them in a loud voice, here in this mulato country, to explain why the Mormon cult considered black people to be subhumans until about fifty years ago.

Usually they just turn tail and scoot away, leaving me to explain to any crowd that has gathered around exactly what the Mormon position was on other races until fairly recently. Then I fill them in on a few more of their wacky beliefs and that's about all it takes.

It is sad indeed that the once Catholic countries of South and Central America and Mexico are embracing this lunatic religion.

Instead of different Trad groups arguing amongst ourselves about our differences, we should be sending out missionaries to counter the half-baked mormon missionaries and bring the true religion back to these people.

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