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Offline CatholicCommoner

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How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
« on: July 01, 2020, 06:40:50 PM »
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  • Hello everyone I hope you are all doing well. I have been trying to do research to find the percentage of children raised in traditional Catholic households who stay Catholic into adulthood. I know that in the Novus Ordo the overwhelming majority of people become atheists by their teens and stay that way unless they convert to evangelical Protestantism or some other heretical sect that appeals to their desires. 

    I know that very few of you will be able to give me numbers on this but based on your experience how many children raised traditionally Catholic stay Catholic and go on to form Catholic families of their own? Also please specify what groups you are talking about whether FSSP, ICKSP, SSPX, Resistance or CMRI and which groups you believe to be the most effective in instilling the faith onto the youth.

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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #1 on: July 01, 2020, 08:32:08 PM »
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  • Just amongst the few trad (SSPX and Byzentine)families I know it seems the boys are more likely to retain the faith while the girls (same family) go berserk.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #2 on: July 01, 2020, 09:11:25 PM »
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  • We are age 67.  We have 4 children.  We left New Order in 1996. So, of the 4, 3 are still catholic.  We are CMRI.

    We home schooled as soon as the Good Lord let me know what was happening, 1992. Of the 3 children age 43 male, age 45 daughter and age 34 daughter.

    Me, the wife, came from a family of 9. Dad was convert and my mom was raised strict catholic of 8 children.  Of my moms sisters and brothers all went new order except one female who fought for the real Mass in the 70's.  Our families are from Indiana and Indiana has nothing to offer, so sad.

    Of my siblings, I am the only one traditional and I thank God that I and my husband did not stay in Indiana, we are retired military.  We are in AZ.  I lost my mom and all my siblings.  in fact only 2 are New Order and nothing.  Very sad.  Communication is almost nothing.

    I have one niece from my brother and she had to let her parents go, because of their drug use. Niece liked what she saw in her Aunt, me, and over 15 years went from new order to traditional.  Her husband who was nothing, was baptized catholic. They home school their 6 daughters.  Their dad teaches music and has taught their girls Latin hymns.  Dad just cried and fell in love with Gregorian chant.  They live in Scotland.  Scotland hurts of any traditional latin Mass.  Traditional families stick together, home schooling as well.  One family has a room set up for Mass for any priest that may come their way. We went to Scotland last Summer.  Thank God we got to visit just in the nick of time.

    You will enjoy putting this subject together.  I often thought it would be good to have the stories of how one came to the traditional.  I know Judith Sharpe had many letters written to her how the video, "What we have Lost" changed people to come traditional.  That video was started by Judith asking me, should we have another conference, here in Phoenix.  Yes, I said, BUT, it must be different or people will not come".  So, we both ended our telephone call with, "we will pray about it."  Well, while home schooling it crossed my mind. We were understanding the difference between the new order and the traditional Mass.  I phoned Judy and I said, this crossed my mind. How on stage a person may make you laugh, because what you see is the actor is acting like you do.  You may laugh at someone drunk, but it is not funny, but it is, because you have done this at one time.  I said to Judy, maybe get the people to see themselves and what we have lost between the traditional mass and the new order.  Judy said, do you know you are talking about making a video.  Little did I know Judy, that her husband and her made videos. Wow!

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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #3 on: July 01, 2020, 10:03:19 PM »
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  • Just amongst the few trad (SSPX and Byzentine)families I know it seems the boys are more likely to retain the faith while the girls (same family) go berserk.
    Interestingly enough a lot of studies show that women are more likely to be religious, attend religious services, etc. From my personal experience however it seems like it is almost impossible to keep girls Christian in the modern age. Among the women I see in my personal life it seems that they are much more left-wing and rapidly anti-Catholic than the men.

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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #4 on: July 02, 2020, 12:24:47 AM »
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  • I don’t know a huge number of Trad. families, having only converted in my mid-40s, but from what I see, the track record is very poor.  A family of nine children lost 8 of the 9.  The one who remains Catholic is the oldest and only daughter who was about 16 when they switched from the novus ordo.  She got engaged at 18 to a man she met in church.  The boys have all adopted worldly ways.  Another family of 10 have lost all 10.  Not one follows any religion at all.  Yet another family of seven, the father left his wife of 20 years for a woman a year older than their oldest child, and literally half his age, a divorcée with two minor children by different men.  Naturally, he obtained a civil law divorce, “married” the mistress, who, in turn, divorced him five years later after he had a stroke and could no longer perform certain things.  The youngest child met and married a “born again” Protestant woman in college.  The others turned on both their father and the Faith he once strictly enforced, but didn’t live.  The mother remained a devout Catholic to her death.  Yet another family of only three children had all three do the same thing; go to Mass, do the outward things so long as they were living under their parents’ roof.  The two girls married in the traditional chapel and came to Mass through the baptism of their first child.  After that, the Mass attendance became gradually more sporadic until one couple had their third baptized in the novus ordo—-the priest at the chapel wouldn’t baptize him, but they didn’t continue in the novus ordo.  The second daughter and husband also quit coming to Mass.  They had no more children, I don’t know if by choice or not, but they moved away and last time I spoke to their parents, they were not going to Mass.  The youngest, a son, moved out during college, was supporting himself, was still single, not going to church.  I can think of only one trad. family with five adult children who are all practicing Catholics of some variety.  One goes to a Latin Mass parish, two, the SSPX, one attends an independent chapel, possibly Feenyite, and the last became embittered after clashes within the SSPX, FSSP, and Resistance, so they are staunch “home-aloners.”  As I said, not a very good track record.  
    What is the cause?  It’s hard to tell, but probably easier to tell what was not to blame.
    Several lived in places with a traditional school and fellow trads living close enough to socialize with.  Other families saw other trads only on Sundays or less often depending upon distance to a chapel and or the availability of a priest.  A trad school, Catholic school, public school, or homeschool seem not to have made a huge difference, although it’s hard to gauge because many families did different things at different times with different children.  The one daughter who married young and remains Catholic went to public school and two years of community college to qualify as a nurse’s assistant.  Others who were homeschooled their whole educations or went to trad schools left the faith upon turning 18, 21, or moving out of the parental nest.
    The only two common factors seem to be the influence and pressure of the world, and that in all of these cases, the parents were first generation traditionalists.  They didn’t have the support of traditional parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins. They did not have the benefit of extended family support.  In most cases, they were regarded as being misfits and some were outright rejected or the parents had to cut contact because of negative influences, ie. a “gαy” uncle and his current partner who always came to family gatherings and insisted upon advertising and demanding approval of his “lifestyle.”  Others just stood out as weird.  They didn’t watch the latest movies, have a TV, wear the same kind of clothing, listen to rock music, or what have you.


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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #5 on: July 02, 2020, 08:08:18 AM »
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  • Well, this is very depressing, even the Novus Ordo seems to have better numbers than your statement. I mean my cousins and I were all raised fairly religious in the Conciliar Church and we all still practice on varying levels and at least all are going to have their children be given all of the sacraments.

    That's only natural.  Traditional Catholicism actually has implications for one's daily life, i.e stricter moral standards.  In the Novus Ordo, you can do whatever, show up to a Mass every once in a while when you're bored, and still pretend to be a Catholic in good standing.  You can engage in chronic, habitual, and unrepented mortal sin and still be all good and receive Communion anyway.  So remaining Novus Ordo is relatively meaningless.  Novus Ordo numbers are meaningless.  Michael Voris actually did a good video where he put a bunch of polls together and concluded that 0% of Novus Ordo youth remain Catholic in any meaningful way.  They all deny one dogma or another and are cafeteria Catholics at best, picking out what they like and rejecting what they don't ... which reduces to their not having the formal motive of faith.

    In addition, the devil isn't wasting his time on those already lost, and most of the world is lost.  So he probably has a thousand demons to spare for each Traditional Catholics family to attack them.  He can concentrate his evil forces around those few who still cling to the faith.

    It's very common for the youth to disappear, but then after a number of years, return to the faith ... once they've learned some life lessons, had a chance to reflect, and come to realize how meaningless their lives had become.

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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #6 on: July 02, 2020, 10:09:28 AM »
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  • All of my siblings practice the Catholic faith-none are Novus Ordo
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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #7 on: July 02, 2020, 10:11:09 AM »
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  • That's only natural.  Traditional Catholicism actually has implications for one's daily life, i.e stricter moral standards.  In the Novus Ordo, you can do whatever, show up to a Mass every once in a while when you're bored, and still pretend to be a Catholic in good standing.  You can engage in chronic, habitual, and unrepented mortal sin and still be all good and receive Communion anyway.  So remaining Novus Ordo is relatively meaningless.  Novus Ordo numbers are meaningless.  Michael Voris actually did a good video where he put a bunch of polls together and concluded that 0% of Novus Ordo youth remain Catholic in any meaningful way.  They all deny one dogma or another and are cafeteria Catholics at best, picking out what they like and rejecting what they don't ... which reduces to their not having the formal motive of faith.

    In addition, the devil isn't wasting his time on those already lost, and most of the world is lost.  So he probably has a thousand demons to spare for each Traditional Catholics family to attack them.  He can concentrate his evil forces around those few who still cling to the faith.

    It's very common for the youth to disappear, but then after a number of years, return to the faith ... once they've learned some life lessons, had a chance to reflect, and come to realize how meaningless their lives had become.
    You beat me to it. That says it all.

    Let me just add that except for a few old timers, the Catholic lives of the people in my SSPX chapel are just like the "conservative" Novus Ordo's were in say in the 1980's, except they go to the Latin Mass.


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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #8 on: July 02, 2020, 10:18:52 AM »
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  • It's very common for the youth to disappear, but then after a number of years, return to the faith ... once they've learned some life lessons, had a chance to reflect, and come to realize how meaningless their lives had become.
    They might be better off leaving when one compares them to those that I see staying, going to mass on Sundays and living worldly lives, bad example to the others, hypocrites.

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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #9 on: July 02, 2020, 02:22:40 PM »
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  • Let me just add that except for a few old timers, the Catholic lives of the people in my SSPX chapel are just like the "conservative" Novus Ordo's were in say in the 1980's, except they go to the Latin Mass.
    I'm curious what you mean by "the Catholic lives" and how you know so much about others?

    They might be better off leaving when one compares them to those that I see staying, going to mass on Sundays and living worldly lives, bad example to the others, hypocrites.
    What are these "wordly lives" and "hypocrites"?

    In my own view, whether children continue practicing the faith as adults is partly due to temptations (world, flesh, deviil), and partly due to how the parents raised them, especially in regard to the teen "rebellious" years.

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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #10 on: July 02, 2020, 02:40:40 PM »
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  • I see massive attrition rates into apostasy of children from traditional families. I'd say it is 80%, or higher, in the chapels I attend.

    The only people who manage to preserve their children in their religion into adulthood are various Amish and Ultra-Orthodox Jєωιѕн sects. Both groups utterly reject the modern world and form strong communities to keep their communities together.

    My chapel has a congregation of around 200. The number of people between age 20 and 40 is four men and no women.
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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #11 on: July 02, 2020, 02:45:42 PM »
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  • The only people who manage to preserve their children in their religion into adulthood are various Amish and Ultra-Orthodox Jєωιѕн sects. Both groups utterly reject the modern world and form strong communities to keep their communities together.
    Yes, that is the way it is done, but in a Catholic manner. There were entire catholic countries and cultures at one time. Today real Catholic families exist here and there, like islands. 

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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #12 on: July 02, 2020, 03:08:08 PM »
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    Last Tradhican wrote: Let me just add that except for a few old timers, the Catholic lives of the people in my SSPX chapel are just like the "conservative" Novus Ordo's were in say in the 1980's, except they go to the Latin Mass.

    StanleyN asked - I'm curious what you mean by "the Catholic lives" and how you know so much about others? ( I know so much about others because I see them all of the time, the way they dress, the way they behave, the way they talk. Is there another way? I should have written "Catholic lives", for they are like the conservative Novus ordo's of the 1980's who's Catholicism was down to a mass on Sundays and voting Republican.)


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    Last Tradhican wrote: They might be better off leaving when one compares them to those that I see staying, going to mass on Sundays and living worldly lives, bad example to the others, hypocrites.

    StanleyN asked - What are these "wordly lives" and "hypocrites"? (Wearing immodest revealing clothing like tight jeans, exposed belly, tight tops,  short shorts, bikinis, "dating" boys with no supervision, better know as pre-marital sex, all the while going to mass in Sundays. Isn't that hypocrisy?)
    In my own view, whether children continue practicing the faith as adults is partly due to temptations (world, flesh, deviil), and partly due to how the parents raised them, especially in regard to the teen "rebellious" years. ( In my experience it is all due to how the parents LIVE the Faith and how they passed it on to the children. No school or teacher can substitute for the parents.)
    My response to your questions are in red above. (I do not know why my bolded answers do not show as red)

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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #13 on: July 02, 2020, 04:10:32 PM »
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  • It's not even a good question to be asking.

    Parents bring their children up so differently.

    One bad decision exposing them to bad influence can completely destroy them even with everything else correct.

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    Re: How many children stay Catholic into adulthood?
    « Reply #14 on: July 02, 2020, 05:04:04 PM »
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  • The only people who manage to preserve their children in their religion into adulthood are various Amish and Ultra-Orthodox Jєωιѕн sects. Both groups utterly reject the modern world and form strong communities to keep their communities together.

    Theoretically then traditional Catholic churches with many members and associated schools (St. Mary's, Post Falls) should fare better than the smaller chapels whose children are either homeschooled or attend public schools. 
    With the lack of contraception, you would expect the number of traditional Catholics to be growing in number and be able to form MORE communities to ensure integrated faith life and strong families but it seems the picture I am getting here is pretty doom and gloom and we should expect the number of traditionalists to stay relatively stagnant or worst case decrease in the years to come.