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Offline Thed0ctor

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how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
« on: November 23, 2022, 07:33:41 AM »
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  • People at our church go back and forth on whether to do Santa, whether it's "lying" or just engaging the child's imagination. I'm curious how everyone here addresses the subject, what your traditions are etc.


    Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #1 on: November 23, 2022, 09:17:16 AM »
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  • I don't have kiddos but, when I was a kid growing up, the idea of Santa was magical.  The siblings and I would try to stay up all hours and catch the jolly, red-suited man dropping down the chimney to load up the loot.  Never understood not hearing him park the sled on the roof.  Great times.


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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #2 on: November 23, 2022, 09:26:43 AM »
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  • Ultimately I don't think it's worth doing, even if you can find a way to do it that avoids lying. Santa just encourages and habituated children to associate Christmas with gifts and materialism. 
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    But a bigger problem, IMO, is telling children that St Nicholas brings them gifts on December 6. It's one thing to create a myth around a mythical figure. Another thing to take a real saint and teach kids that he does something that he doesn't actually do. Maybe I'm projecting, but when I found out that Saint Nicholas wasn't really bringing gifts I started to wonder what other lies my religion was responsible for. Put me down a dark track. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #3 on: November 23, 2022, 09:35:50 AM »
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  • Maybe I'm projecting, but when I found out that Saint Nicholas wasn't really bringing gifts I started to wonder what other lies my religion was responsible for. Put me down a dark track.

    How old were you when you started wondering about the lies of your religion?  Seven?  If you don't mind me asking, and you don't need to respond, what 'dark track' did the Santa Claus story send you down?


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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #4 on: November 23, 2022, 09:39:34 AM »
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  • This should be turned into a poll - who thinks Santa is bad news? lol


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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #5 on: November 23, 2022, 09:45:53 AM »
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  • We never taught our son that Santa Claus was a real person, nor that he brought gifts down the chimney on Christmas Eve.  We followed the Polish tradition (I'm not Polish, his mother is) of St Nicholas having been a bishop, and that men dressed as St Nicholas (or a whimsical approximation thereof) brought presents to children.  So our son never had a lie which he had to unravel and discover the truth of the matter.

    I find the Santa Claus myth to be a wrong-headed Protestant invention, yet one more way in which they take a Catholic tradition and utterly butcher it beyond recognition.  All Hallows' Eve, mutated to Hallowe'en, is another such instance.  Outside of Anglican and possibly Lutheran circles, Protestants have no clue as to what All Saints' Day even is.  Their view of Christmas and Easter is only slightly less obtuse, in that they realize there is some religious aspect to their origins.

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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #6 on: November 23, 2022, 09:48:36 AM »
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  • How old were you when you started wondering about the lies of your religion?  Seven?  If you don't mind me asking, and you don't need to respond, what 'dark track' did the Santa Claus story send you down?
    I was 10 or 11 when I definitively confirmed that St Nicholas was not responsible for the gifts I received on Dec. 6. I suspected it, but could not confirm, probably since I was 8 or 9. 
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    I don't want to exaggerate the role St Nicholas's day played in my no longer practicing the Catholic religion. I don't mean to imply that I would have remained a pious boy if not for that. There were other factors, as there always are. But knowing that my parents spent years trying to get me to believe in something false was like finding the first loose thread that unravels a sweater. It made me cynical, resentful, and suspicious. Made me wonder if religion was a pious lie to get kids to behave. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #7 on: November 23, 2022, 09:54:59 AM »
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  • Simple.  We grew up knowing that Santa Claus was actually St. Nicholas who is a Saint who actually did give gifts.  The commercialism surrounding him came from Thomas Nast’s, The Night Before Christmas, which we knew was as real as Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer and later, the Grinch, IOW, that part was fiction, just for fun, nothing of religious belief.  


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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #8 on: November 23, 2022, 09:55:36 AM »
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  • The actual Saint Nicholas leaving gifts for you without you being aware of it is like a miracle to a child. That is the problem. The only way for a child to explain it (if the child stops to think about it--which perhaps they won't) is through a miracle. What do you think happens when the only miracle a child has firsthand knowledge of turns out to be a fake? 
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    Mind you, having gifts on St Nicholas's day is fine. It's the pageantry of convincing small children that he actually and directly brought the gifts that creates a perfectly avoidable problem. Not to mention, although well intentioned, it is truly a LIE to tell children that Saint Nicholas brought them gifts. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #9 on: November 23, 2022, 10:05:44 AM »
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  • We told our children that Santa Claus was fictional character based on Saint Nicolas, but transformed by the americans to sell coca cola. They have never believed in this Santa nonsense, and, when younger routinely opened the eyes of other fooled children, making conspiracy theorists of them all. 

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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #10 on: November 23, 2022, 10:13:26 AM »
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  • We never taught our son that Santa Claus was a real person, nor that he brought gifts down the chimney on Christmas Eve.  We followed the Polish tradition (I'm not Polish, his mother is) of St Nicholas having been a bishop, and that men dressed as St Nicholas (or a whimsical approximation thereof) brought presents to children.  So our son never had a lie which he had to unravel and discover the truth of the matter.
    I do tell my son that Santa Claus is another name for St Nicholas and that he was Catholic (he has no concept of what a Bishop is). However, I failed to tell him that it is other men who dress like St Nicholas to bring presents. I guess it is not too late to start introducing those ideas so he won't be heart broken later on. As I child I did not grow up with stories of Santa which by the way, it was Coca cola that started hosting a Christmas parade in my small town and brought someone dressed like Santa around. I must admit, it was weird to see a grown man dressed that way.

    At home having the Nativity scene is a must and Santa cannot be part of the Christmas decorations unless the Nativity scene is there and has a prominent place. Santa Claus cannot have a prominent place, he would be somewhere in the house but not at the entrance or next to the Christmas tree and never one a "live-size" Santa.


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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #11 on: November 23, 2022, 10:41:52 AM »
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  • Santa is used as a fun aspect of the holiday but I never told my kids he was real. They are familiar with St. Nicholas since we read the story on St. Nick's day. 
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #12 on: November 23, 2022, 02:24:15 PM »
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  • Our kids are 6,5 and 4 and so far Santa has been a non-issue. Pretty much all of our relatives do Santa and automatically think that we do too, and I don't always feel like telling them "we don't do Santa". They get asked what they want from Santa. So when the kids ask if Santa is real, I just kindly tell them no, he's just a character and that mommy and daddy give them gifts on Christmas. Then they'll ask, why do people keep asking me what I want from Santa? I just say that they are being silly. :laugh1: 

    While our kids know about St. Nicholas, and we do some traditions on Dec. 6th, I'll admit I feel like Catholic's put too much emphasis on St. Nicholas for Christmas. His feast day is on December 6th. Christmas is the Christ Child's day.  Would it have been that way if Santa Clause never came about? 
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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #13 on: November 23, 2022, 02:54:35 PM »
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  • As a child, I recall the only instance that had any major dealing with St. Nicholas, or Swiety Mikolaj, as this is a Polish story. :smirk:

    I believe there was a to-do at our Polish Hall that reflected in some ways La Pastorela. I do recall angels and demons. Then Sw.M. would show up on stage, and all the children would go up and receive a HUGE bag of nuts and assorted goodies. St. Nicholas always remained as part of the Christmas pastiche but he never overshadowed Christ and His Blessed Mother. I do recall as well along the lines of St. Nicholas giving small gifts as the birth of Christ was (and is!) the GIFT at Christmas. 

    I did get my picture taken with Santa Claus in my early years. In those days, you would never see any Christmas decorations or Santa castle/sleigh until late November or early December. Twere magical days indeed, in the sense that I could palpably sense the spirit (the grace of the holy season) of the Yuletide. The Twelve Days of Christmas, beginning with the Polish Christmas Eve celebration, were truly perceived as a different space in time. 

    I never married thus no kids and Santa is but a large candle who is not prominently placed, although visible. I do believe we have a Father Christmas figure that belonged to my mother - a gift given to her. Santa is a non-persona amongst some of the children I know from our neosspx mission. 

    As for the other side or part thereof of the mythos accuмulated around St. Nicholas, I do know we were taught the various European traditions surrounding him and Christmas in my primary/elementary days, so I was aware of Black Peter. I only heard of Krampus when I taught at a Society school. I ended up being St. Nicholas that year, with one of my high school students being Krampus, although no where at overt in costume as that particular figure is portrayed.


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    Re: how do y'all handle Santa in your homes?
    « Reply #14 on: November 23, 2022, 06:10:23 PM »
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  • I don't want to exaggerate the role St Nicholas's day played in my no longer practicing the Catholic religion. I don't mean to imply that I would have remained a pious boy if not for that. There were other factors, as there always are. But knowing that my parents spent years trying to get me to believe in something false was like finding the first loose thread that unravels a sweater. It made me cynical, resentful, and suspicious. Made me wonder if religion was a pious lie to get kids to behave.
    I had the same experience of finding out I'd been lied to by the same people who sent me to Catholic school. Another thing about Santa that freaked me out was the song:

    He sees you when you're sleeping,
    he knows when you're awake.
    He knows if you've been good or bad
    so be good for goodness sake.

    Sort of like the NSA.
    Creepy.

    Santa is banned in our home.
    Just nativity sets, lights, boughs and bows.
    And Christmas cookies include stars and angels.
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