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I know people who go to Vatican 2 Churches who are finally admitting  the world situation is worsening. They have started seeing there is a conspiracy in politics and the economic sector. Ninety five percent of the conspiracies I have been telling them about for the last fifteen years have become reality or are in the process of becoming reality even though at that time I was told I was wrong.

No matter how bad the world situation becomes, I just can't get people who go to Vatican 2 Churches to see there is a vast conspiracy against the Catholic Church. No matter how much conspiracy becomes reality, nothing I say seems to convince them there is a vast conspiracy against the Catholic Church even though I have showed them plenty of evidence to prove it.

What will it take to wake People up. Many people have become more desensitized to all the natural and man-made disasters in the world. How bad do things have to get to wake people up?  What will it take for people to have to admit there is a vast conspiracy against The Catholic Church?
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2012, 09:23:42 PM »
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  • I hit the same walls.  Some are just stuck with they must be under a pope.  Some stay in NO because they like the changes, all the changes.  some want abortion and birth control and yes, NO does recognize it in the confessional with their confessor and the people are told that Homosexuals and such are children of god and so on.  I have tried to the point that I remember a phrase in the bible that says that we think of the words we will say, and that won't work and what was said in the Song of Bernadette, those who believe nothing needs to be said and for those who don't believe you can say everything and they still will not believe in miracles.  Chapter 12 of Daniel speaks of a remnant so, that is what we will have, very little.  ANd that is why it is called apostasy.  The devil blinds us and why some and not others is the question.  Very strange.  We are graced and so a lot is on our shoulders to pray for those and the whole situation.  How many were saved on Noah's ark?  8? or was it 7?  Now that's a remnant!  God will have His day and however He judges will be perfect for each individual.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 19, 2012, 04:32:18 PM »
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  • Are novus ordo presiders telling people, in the confessional, that homosexuals are "people of god"?  Is there a qualifier thrown in somewhere?  I'm curious.

    As for convincing other people, just be prepared yourself.  You can't force others to understand nor accept the truth.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 19, 2012, 04:55:28 PM »
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  • Only God can lift the veil off one's head. Some people are too stubborn to see the truth.

    I think that praying the Rosary daily and wearing the Brown Scapular would certainly help.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 20, 2012, 02:44:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Truth is Eternal
    I know people who go to Vatican 2 Churches who are finally admitting  the world situation is worsening. They have started seeing there is a conspiracy in politics and the economic sector. Ninety five percent of the conspiracies I have been telling them about for the last fifteen years have become reality or are in the process of becoming reality even though at that time I was told I was wrong.

    No matter how bad the world situation becomes, I just can't get people who go to Vatican 2 Churches to see there is a vast conspiracy against the Catholic Church. No matter how much conspiracy becomes reality, nothing I say seems to convince them there is a vast conspiracy against the Catholic Church even though I have showed them plenty of evidence to prove it.

    What will it take to wake People up. Many people have become more desensitized to all the natural and man-made disasters in the world. How bad do things have to get to wake people up?  What will it take for people to have to admit there is a vast conspiracy against The Catholic Church?


    The problem is that there are too many conspiracy theories.

    Natural disasters are being blamed on Global Warming.

    Some theories about the Church are centered within the church itself, others blame greedy capitalists outside the church who would like to see the RC  aong with any strong religious group including Muslims and Orthodox Jews banished or their beliefs watered down because it interferes with economic progress.

    The scapegoat list is endless, so its hard for people to discern for themselves where the source of the destruction is hiding.

    I put a lot of blame upon existentialist philosophy, its simply ruined many minds.
    With the persistant economic insecurity, most people don't have time to sort out what the problem is, they are in a whirlwind of tasks for simple survival.
     
    God allowed this to happen to His Church.
    We are not expected to fix it, we are incapable of repairing the vast damage.

    I agree with other posters here who are advocating complete dependence upon God in His Divine Providence and His power. It only belongs to Him, to bring good from what has happened, as no human can bring good out of evil.

    We must pray for the NO people and also for those who do see with clarity, so that hopefully none fall away from God, that we all may persevere to the coming of Christ.
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    "Truth does not depend on our knowledge of it; but on the existence of things."
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    « Reply #5 on: November 24, 2012, 08:03:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    Only God can lift the veil off one's head. Some people are too stubborn to see the truth.

    I think that praying the Rosary daily and wearing the Brown Scapular would certainly help.


    Spiritus, you are very right. It is a spiritual blindness that surrounds these people.


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    « Reply #6 on: November 24, 2012, 08:08:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: GemmaGal
    Quote from: Truth is Eternal
    I know people who go to Vatican 2 Churches who are finally admitting  the world situation is worsening. They have started seeing there is a conspiracy in politics and the economic sector. Ninety five percent of the conspiracies I have been telling them about for the last fifteen years have become reality or are in the process of becoming reality even though at that time I was told I was wrong.

    No matter how bad the world situation becomes, I just can't get people who go to Vatican 2 Churches to see there is a vast conspiracy against the Catholic Church. No matter how much conspiracy becomes reality, nothing I say seems to convince them there is a vast conspiracy against the Catholic Church even though I have showed them plenty of evidence to prove it.

    What will it take to wake People up. Many people have become more desensitized to all the natural and man-made disasters in the world. How bad do things have to get to wake people up?  What will it take for people to have to admit there is a vast conspiracy against The Catholic Church?


    The problem is that there are too many conspiracy theories.

    Natural disasters are being blamed on Global Warming.

    Some theories about the Church are centered within the church itself, others blame greedy capitalists outside the church who would like to see the RC  aong with any strong religious group including Muslims and Orthodox Jews banished or their beliefs watered down because it interferes with economic progress.

    The scapegoat list is endless, so its hard for people to discern for themselves where the source of the destruction is hiding.

    I put a lot of blame upon existentialist philosophy, its simply ruined many minds.
    With the persistant economic insecurity, most people don't have time to sort out what the problem is, they are in a whirlwind of tasks for simple survival.
     
    God allowed this to happen to His Church.
    We are not expected to fix it, we are incapable of repairing the vast damage.

    I agree with other posters here who are advocating complete dependence upon God in His Divine Providence and His power. It only belongs to Him, to bring good from what has happened, as no human can bring good out of evil.

    We must pray for the NO people and also for those who do see with clarity, so that hopefully none fall away from God, that we all may persevere to the coming of Christ.



    Everyone should read GemmaGal's post, because she touches on a very valid point.

    The world is FULL of information to be had now (via internet) and conspiracy theories (many of which have elements of truth) permeate the minds of many including the faithful. Its a poison , really, when New age topics come into consideration and are accepted even if they contradict the Faith.  This "search for knowledge" or Gnosticism which it should be called more accurately, degrades ones faith and takes away the reliance on God.

    Option overload is a common thesis describing why people today are so confused. Once people are slammed with all the insanity of options the conspiracy community provides , their faith wanders and they do not remember that they should only know what they NEED to know. If you have no NEED TO KNOW, then DONT SEARCH MORE FOR IT! Point in case, if you are not going to be an exorcist, then dont research every demon name, how to conduct an exorcism, Satans bible reading, etc etc.    Just do as your state in life requires and you should be set for God's blessings.


     

     

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