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Offline Mark 79

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Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2025, 11:25:53 AM »
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  • Looking deeper, my recollection was wrong. Apparently Montini replaced the Raccolta with his Enchiridion Indulgentarium making many changes, but I do not yet know precisely the changes.

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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #16 on: October 02, 2025, 11:35:13 AM »
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  • Raccolta 1910
    PRAYER ACCORDING TO THE POPES INTENTION
    23. The Pope’s intention always includes the following objects:
    i. The progress of the Faith and triumph of the Church.
    ii. Peace and union among Christian Princes and Rulers.
    iii. The conversion of sinners.
    iv. The uprooting of heresy.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #17 on: October 02, 2025, 02:28:55 PM »
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  • Looking deeper, my recollection was wrong. Apparently Montini replaced the Raccolta with his Enchiridion Indulgentarium making many changes, but I do not yet know precisely the changes.
    According to ChatGPT:

    What are the changes Paul VI made to the Racolta/

    ChatGPT said:
    Pope Paul VI made significant changes to the Raccolta, a manual of indulgenced prayers and good works that had existed in various forms since the 19th century. These changes were part of his broader liturgical and doctrinal reforms following the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965).
    Here’s a summary of what Paul VI changed:

    🔄 1. Replacement of the Raccolta with the Enchiridion Indulgentiarum (1968)
    In 1968, Paul VI replaced the Raccolta with a completely revised docuмent called:
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    Enchiridion Indulgentiarum: Normae et Concessiones (Handbook of Indulgences: Norms and Grants)
    This was done through the Apostolic Constitution Indulgentiarum Doctrina, issued on January 1, 1967, as part of the post-conciliar reform of indulgences.

    🧾 2. Structural and Theological Simplification
    The Raccolta listed hundreds of specific prayers and acts, each with specific time-based indulgences (e.g., "300 days," "7 years"). Paul VI made major changes:
    • Abolished all "temporal" (e.g., days, years) measurements of indulgences
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      These were often misunderstood to mean time off in Purgatory. Paul VI clarified that indulgences do not work on earthly time scales.
    • Only two types of indulgences remained:
      • Plenary (full remission of temporal punishment)
      • Partial (some remission)
    • The focus shifted from legalistic quantification to spiritual benefit and personal conversion.

    📜 3. Fewer and More Universal Indulgences
    • The Raccolta contained hundreds of indulgenced prayers—many obscure, localized, or of limited scope.
    • The Enchiridion drastically reduced the number of indulgenced prayers and acts.
    • Emphasis was placed on universal and scripturally based acts, such as:
      • Reading Scripture
      • Eucharistic adoration
      • Acts of charity or penance
      • Use of officially approved prayers

    💡 4. Focus on Interior Disposition
    • Paul VI emphasized that indulgences are not magical but depend on:
      • The person’s love for God
      • Proper disposition of soul
      • Freedom from attachment to sin (especially for a plenary indulgence)

    📘 Summary Comparison
    [th]Feature[/th]
    [th]Raccolta[/th]
    [th]Enchiridion Indulgentiarum (1968)[/th]
    Type of IndulgencesSpecific days/years (e.g., 300 days)Only "partial" and "plenary"
    Number of Prayers/ActsHundreds, including obscure onesReduced to a more essential set
    Language/FocusLegalistic, devotionalTheological, pastoral, universal
    Key Reform DocuмentN/AIndulgentiarum Doctrina (1967)








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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #18 on: October 02, 2025, 02:30:49 PM »
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  • According to ChatGPT:

    What are the changes Paul VI made to the Racolta/

    ChatGPT said:
    Pope Paul VI made significant changes to the Raccolta, a manual of indulgenced prayers and good works that had existed in various forms since the 19th century. These changes were part of his broader liturgical and doctrinal reforms following the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965).
    Here’s a summary of what Paul VI changed:

    🔄 1. Replacement of the Raccolta with the Enchiridion Indulgentiarum (1968)
    In 1968, Paul VI replaced the Raccolta with a completely revised docuмent called:This was done through the Apostolic Constitution Indulgentiarum Doctrina, issued on January 1, 1967, as part of the post-conciliar reform of indulgences.

    🧾 2. Structural and Theological Simplification
    The Raccolta listed hundreds of specific prayers and acts, each with specific time-based indulgences (e.g., "300 days," "7 years"). Paul VI made major changes:
    • Abolished all "temporal" (e.g., days, years) measurements of indulgences
    • Only two types of indulgences remained:
      • Plenary (full remission of temporal punishment)
      • Partial (some remission)
    • The focus shifted from legalistic quantification to spiritual benefit and personal conversion.

    📜 3. Fewer and More Universal Indulgences
    • The Raccolta contained hundreds of indulgenced prayers—many obscure, localized, or of limited scope.
    • The Enchiridion drastically reduced the number of indulgenced prayers and acts.
    • Emphasis was placed on universal and scripturally based acts, such as:
      • Reading Scripture
      • Eucharistic adoration
      • Acts of charity or penance
      • Use of officially approved prayers

    💡 4. Focus on Interior Disposition
    • Paul VI emphasized that indulgences are not magical but depend on:
      • The person’s love for God
      • Proper disposition of soul
      • Freedom from attachment to sin (especially for a plenary indulgence)

    📘 Summary Comparison
    [th]Feature[/th]
    [th]Raccolta[/th]
    [th]Enchiridion Indulgentiarum (1968)[/th]

    Type of Indulgences
    Specific days/years (e.g., 300 days)
    Only "partial" and "plenary"

    Number of Prayers/Acts
    Hundreds, including obscure ones
    Reduced to a more essential set

    Language/Focus
    Legalistic, devotional
    Theological, pastoral, universal

    Key Reform Docuмent
    N/A
    Indulgentiarum Doctrina (1967)


    Ha, I think it's modernism friendly.

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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #19 on: October 02, 2025, 03:52:21 PM »
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  • Prior to 1858 the Raccolta was printed in Latin and Italian only.  Raccolta is italian meaning collections.  In Europe the book we're referring to was titled in Latin, Ennchiridion Indulgentiarum, while in the west publishers kept the original Raccolta, maybe because it fit on the spine of the book better.  Regardless, it's the same book.  Here is the second and third page of the 1957 Raccolta.

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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #20 on: October 02, 2025, 04:13:57 PM »
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  • Raccolta 1910
    PRAYER ACCORDING TO THE POPES [emphasis added] INTENTION
    23. The Pope’s intention always includes the following objects:
    i. The progress of the Faith and triumph of the Church.
    ii. Peace and union among Christian Princes and Rulers.
    iii. The conversion of sinners.
    iv. The uprooting of heresy.
    Thank you and an up-vote for you, but this still begs the question: "When there is no Pope, who is there to join in those intentions?"

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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #21 on: October 02, 2025, 04:19:20 PM »
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  • According to ChatGPT:

    What are the changes Paul VI made to the Racolta…

    In our day (yes, we were alive in 1967), even Catholic grammar school children were taught that the "temporal" time frames were not "days off," but merely an expression of relief equivalent to doing penance for the temporal period. For example, "7 years indulgence" was understood that the indulgence was as if you had fasted and prayed for 7 years, not that you "got out 7 years early" from Purgatory.

    So typical of Juedo-Masons to lie. There was no "often misunderstood" about indugences. It was just a (((bullshit excuse to destroy))).

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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #22 on: October 02, 2025, 05:18:46 PM »
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  • THE RACCOLTA

    Prior to 1857 the Raccoltas were printed in Latin & Italian only.  I have no comment on them.

    1857 -  Ambrose St. John printed the Raccolta in English.  He had gone to Rome in 1856 and gotten permission to access the archives (under the supervision of the compiler, Telephorus Galli, canon of the celebrated Basilica of St. Mary, Consulter of the Holy Congregation of Indulgences and Holy Relics)  to produce an English  translation made from the last Roman edition and the original signed docuмents.
    In the preface to the book Ambrose states that upon inspection of the original docuмents, every docuмent states that the indulgences are in perpetuity and that the partial indulgences are stated in years not days.  Ambrose did however print days in his edition in most cases and I suspect under duress but that's just my opinion, maybe Rome didn't want to scare us with hundreds of years in purgatory.

    Subsequent editions all credit Ambrose St. John as the author/compiler. HOWEVER, upon comparison with the original, there has been much modernization especially in wording, deletions of not only some devotions but also of all but the most recent popes who granted the indulgence, and some new additions.  No longer could you see how old a particular devotion was.

    1910 - This seems to be the worst edition for changes.
    1920 - This is already the 9th edition with at least two more to follow.
    1957 - This breaks with the Ambrose St. John editions and is compiled by three priests.
    It contains more updated modern wording, less recording of the old Popes' declarations and is the last printing of anything resembling true Catholic devotions.
    1991 -  This "Handbook of Indulgences" replaces everything prior.  It's a mere 129 pages.  It does NOT really address specific devotions but is more a narrative of ambiguity.  This book does remove the value attached to partial indulgences and henceforth they are either Plenary or Partial.  Most notably is the removal of many requirements for gaining the indulgence such as "being in a state of grace, reception of the sacraments, the requirement of a crucifix for certain devotion e.g. the Stations of the Cross" etc  It did retain the requirement of moving from station to station.  It is a great penance to even read this book. 
    1999 - From a newspaper clipping, dated  Sept. 18, JPII has issued a new manual on indulgences.  From the clipping I quote, "Vatican officials also insisted that the new attention on indulgences shouldn't harm recently improved relations with the Lutheran church, whose founder, Martin Luther, rebelled against abuses in granting indulgences."
    I have yet to see this manual in print.

    The 1857 Raccolta was published prayer book size, 5"X3-1/2" and at the end were added prayers for morning and evening, Mass, the Stations, the rosary, Penitential Psalms, and a couple general devotions.  It was meant not as a reference book to sit on a shelf but as a prayer book.
    My copies of this book are my prized possessions.  I really don't need any other prayer book.

    The 1857 edition can be seen here.

    https://www.saintsbooks.net/books/The%20Raccolta%20-%201857.pdf


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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #23 on: October 02, 2025, 05:30:06 PM »
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  • Wow! Such edifying responses are so greatly appreciated. Thanks to all who contributed!!!


    …The 1857 Raccolta was published prayer book size, 5"X3-1/2" and at the end were added prayers for morning and evening, Mass, the Stations, the rosary, Penitential Psalms, and a couple general devotions.  It was meant not as a reference book to sit on a shelf but as a prayer book.
    My copies of this book are my prized possessions.  I really don't need any other prayer book.

    Would you consider scanning this justifiably prized and valuable compendium into .pdf format?

    A group of us are sharing our combined archives to upload the entirety in multiple locations online and offline, so that the content will be available until The Last Day.


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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #24 on: October 02, 2025, 05:37:56 PM »
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  • Wow! Such edifying responses are so greatly appreciated. Thanks to all who contributed!!!

    Would you consider scanning this justifiably prized and valuable compendium into .pdf format?

    A group of us are sharing our combined archives to upload the entirety in multiple locations online and offline, so that the content will be available until The Last Day.
    There's a PDF at the very bottom of my last post.  I always give references.  Unfortunately the PDF is of a book printed in England and ends with the Racoltla.  My Copies were printed by Sadlier in the US and do contain the additional prayers.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #25 on: October 02, 2025, 06:01:05 PM »
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  • Here's another PDF of the book.  The site's not secure so my husband won't let me use it anymore.  It might have the additional info in the front and the prayers at the back like the Sadlier copies.

    http://www.liturgialatina.org/raccolta/contents.htm

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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #26 on: October 02, 2025, 07:13:42 PM »
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  • While there is no "Magisterium" per se regarding the subject, if you don't count the 2005 ruling from the Conciliar Vatican, it's considered "common teaching" that the condition of praying for the (objective and enumerated) intentions of the Holy Father continue to be satisfied even during a period of sede vacante, and there's no available text that would contradict this notion.  Regardless, we receive all indulgences at the mercy of God anyway.  If God does not grant them to us, then glory to God.  Similarly, for those of us who have consecrated all these to Our Lady via the method of St. Louis de Montfort, they remain at her disposal anyway and we no longer have any claim in justice to them either.

    As far as the changes, Montini got rid of all non-plenary indulgences, or, rather, reformulated them so that the Church throws in a "matching contribution", as it were, doubling the intrinsic value of the works or prayers ... which is not very consoling

    Nevertheless, I am not entirely opposed to this change, other than that I consider it invalid due to the non-papacy of Montini ... since I've known a fair number of people who became neurotic or obsessive about "compiling" indulgences ... leading to an almost Pharisaical and certainly legalistic perspective on sin.

    As for the plenaries, the one devotion that was not changed, so that it was the same before and after Montini's changes were the Stations of the Cross.  It's one of my favorite anyway, and it's the only devotion I make with a view toward receiving indulgences, even though it's not the primary motivation.

    You can't go wrong with the Stations.  I also do not like to use any specific formula, nor are you required to, nor are any specific prayers required.  One need only physically move (if possible given logistics, your own mobility etc.) from one station to another and at each station contemplate the events of the station.  There's no time requirement either.  I find that, if I'm in a hurry, I can make a meaningful and beneficial Stations in roughly 7-8 minutes, spending about 30 seconds meditating upon each Station.

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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #27 on: October 02, 2025, 07:49:43 PM »
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  • Here's another PDF of the book.  The site's not secure so my husband won't let me use it anymore.  …
    I'll defer to any corrections from dedicated IT security professionals, but it is my understanding that those "not secure" browser warnings mean "the site didn't pay protection money to Jewgle to get our kosher internet certificate."

    As I said, I welcome any corrections on this point.

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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #28 on: October 02, 2025, 07:53:20 PM »
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  • While there is no "Magisterium" per se regarding the subject, if you don't count the 2005 ruling from the Conciliar Vatican, it's considered "common teaching" that the condition of praying for the (objective and enumerated) intentions of the Holy Father continue to be satisfied even during a period of sede vacante, and there's no available text that would contradict this notion.  Regardless, we receive all indulgences at the mercy of God anyway.  If God does not grant them to us, then glory to God.  Similarly, for those of us who have consecrated all these to Our Lady via the method of St. Louis de Montfort, they remain at her disposal anyway and we no longer have any claim in justice to them either.

    As far as the changes, Montini got rid of all non-plenary indulgences, or, rather, reformulated them so that the Church throws in a "matching contribution", as it were, doubling the intrinsic value of the works or prayers ... which is not very consoling

    Nevertheless, I am not entirely opposed to this change, other than that I consider it invalid due to the non-papacy of Montini ... since I've known a fair number of people who became neurotic or obsessive about "compiling" indulgences ... leading to an almost Pharisaical and certainly legalistic perspective on sin.

    As for the plenaries, the one devotion that was not changed, so that it was the same before and after Montini's changes were the Stations of the Cross.  It's one of my favorite anyway, and it's the only devotion I make with a view toward receiving indulgences, even though it's not the primary motivation.

    You can't go wrong with the Stations.  I also do not like to use any specific formula, nor are you required to, nor are any specific prayers required.  One need only physically move (if possible given logistics, your own mobility etc.) from one station to another and at each station contemplate the events of the station.  There's no time requirement either.  I find that, if I'm in a hurry, I can make a meaningful and beneficial Stations in roughly 7-8 minutes, spending about 30 seconds meditating upon each Station.
    Very helpful.

    In my own case it is not so much a matter of compiling indulgences as it is my abject fear that "payback time" (no blasphemy intended) approaches breath by breath.

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    Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
    « Reply #29 on: October 02, 2025, 08:40:34 PM »
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  • Very helpful.

    In my own case it is not so much a matter of compiling indulgences as it is my abject fear that "payback time" (no blasphemy intended) approaches breath by breath.

    Sure.  As for myself, I'm entirely resigned to any time for which God would consign me to Purgatory, knowing that it too shall pass.  St. Francis went into ecstasy when he was told that he was among the elect.  If I'm in Purgatory, I'm overjoyed at the fact that I WILL one day enjoy eternity with God, and ... as we know from simple math ... ANY length of time divided by eternity (aka infinity) is ... zero.  Once we enter into eternity it will literally be as nothing.  I've also given all my merits, indulgences, etc. to Our Lady per the method of Total Consecration by St. Louis de Montfort, so whether and how many indulgence I may or may not be able to "acquire" (or, rather, be granted) would be a moot point.

    Based on what I could find, I don't see any theologian disputing the fact that there's an objective list of "intentions of the Holy Father" that continue on even in periods of "sede vacante", so that one may continue to receive plenary indulgences during such a period, and the Church could do whatever, and a Pope could do whatever.  We could have a Pope declare that no such prayers are necessary for indulgences at all, and thus they're called the "ordinary" conditions, and I would imagine that Popes could be assumed to intend that this common teaching would prevail unless they said otherwise.

    Then the question becomes ... if one believes Montini et al were legitimate, they do have the authority and power to change the rules for indulgences.  But the Stations of the Cross is one that remained plenary after Montini's (putative) changes, and so those will have their effect either way.  I tend to make the Stations for the intention of converting members of my family, and for other sinners ... but also meet the other conditions (Communion, Confession, these prayers for the intentions of the Holy Father) and then offer the indulgences themselves to Our Lady to do with as she pleases.