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Offline Mark 79

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Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2025, 04:13:57 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on October 02, 2025, 11:35:13 AM
Raccolta 1910
PRAYER ACCORDING TO THE POPES [emphasis added] INTENTION
23. The Pope’s intention always includes the following objects:
i. The progress of the Faith and triumph of the Church.
ii. Peace and union among Christian Princes and Rulers.
iii. The conversion of sinners.
iv. The uprooting of heresy.
Thank you and an up-vote for you, but this still begs the question: "When there is no Pope, who is there to join in those intentions?"
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2025, 04:19:20 PM »
Quote from: Mat183 on October 02, 2025, 02:28:55 PM
According to ChatGPT:

What are the changes Paul VI made to the Racolta…

In our day (yes, we were alive in 1967), even Catholic grammar school children were taught that the "temporal" time frames were not "days off," but merely an expression of relief equivalent to doing penance for the temporal period. For example, "7 years indulgence" was understood that the indulgence was as if you had fasted and prayed for 7 years, not that you "got out 7 years early" from Purgatory.

So typical of Juedo-Masons to lie. There was no "often misunderstood" about indugences. It was just a (((bullshit excuse to destroy))).
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Offline Miseremini

Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2025, 05:18:46 PM »
THE RACCOLTA

Prior to 1857 the Raccoltas were printed in Latin & Italian only.  I have no comment on them.

1857 -  Ambrose St. John printed the Raccolta in English.  He had gone to Rome in 1856 and gotten permission to access the archives (under the supervision of the compiler, Telephorus Galli, canon of the celebrated Basilica of St. Mary, Consulter of the Holy Congregation of Indulgences and Holy Relics)  to produce an English  translation made from the last Roman edition and the original signed docuмents.
In the preface to the book Ambrose states that upon inspection of the original docuмents, every docuмent states that the indulgences are in perpetuity and that the partial indulgences are stated in years not days.  Ambrose did however print days in his edition in most cases and I suspect under duress but that's just my opinion, maybe Rome didn't want to scare us with hundreds of years in purgatory.

Subsequent editions all credit Ambrose St. John as the author/compiler. HOWEVER, upon comparison with the original, there has been much modernization especially in wording, deletions of not only some devotions but also of all but the most recent popes who granted the indulgence, and some new additions.  No longer could you see how old a particular devotion was.

1910 - This seems to be the worst edition for changes.
1920 - This is already the 9th edition with at least two more to follow.
1957 - This breaks with the Ambrose St. John editions and is compiled by three priests.
It contains more updated modern wording, less recording of the old Popes' declarations and is the last printing of anything resembling true Catholic devotions.
1991 -  This "Handbook of Indulgences" replaces everything prior.  It's a mere 129 pages.  It does NOT really address specific devotions but is more a narrative of ambiguity.  This book does remove the value attached to partial indulgences and henceforth they are either Plenary or Partial.  Most notably is the removal of many requirements for gaining the indulgence such as "being in a state of grace, reception of the sacraments, the requirement of a crucifix for certain devotion e.g. the Stations of the Cross" etc  It did retain the requirement of moving from station to station.  It is a great penance to even read this book. 
1999 - From a newspaper clipping, dated  Sept. 18, JPII has issued a new manual on indulgences.  From the clipping I quote, "Vatican officials also insisted that the new attention on indulgences shouldn't harm recently improved relations with the Lutheran church, whose founder, Martin Luther, rebelled against abuses in granting indulgences."
I have yet to see this manual in print.

The 1857 Raccolta was published prayer book size, 5"X3-1/2" and at the end were added prayers for morning and evening, Mass, the Stations, the rosary, Penitential Psalms, and a couple general devotions.  It was meant not as a reference book to sit on a shelf but as a prayer book.
My copies of this book are my prized possessions.  I really don't need any other prayer book.

The 1857 edition can be seen here.

https://www.saintsbooks.net/books/The%20Raccolta%20-%201857.pdf


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Offline Mark 79

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Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2025, 05:30:06 PM »
Wow! Such edifying responses are so greatly appreciated. Thanks to all who contributed!!!

Quote from: Miseremini on October 02, 2025, 05:18:46 PM

…The 1857 Raccolta was published prayer book size, 5"X3-1/2" and at the end were added prayers for morning and evening, Mass, the Stations, the rosary, Penitential Psalms, and a couple general devotions.  It was meant not as a reference book to sit on a shelf but as a prayer book.
My copies of this book are my prized possessions.  I really don't need any other prayer book.

Would you consider scanning this justifiably prized and valuable compendium into .pdf format?

A group of us are sharing our combined archives to upload the entirety in multiple locations online and offline, so that the content will be available until The Last Day.

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Offline Miseremini

Re: How do Catholics best gain indulgences?
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2025, 05:37:56 PM »
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 02, 2025, 05:30:06 PM
Wow! Such edifying responses are so greatly appreciated. Thanks to all who contributed!!!

Would you consider scanning this justifiably prized and valuable compendium into .pdf format?

A group of us are sharing our combined archives to upload the entirety in multiple locations online and offline, so that the content will be available until The Last Day.
There's a PDF at the very bottom of my last post.  I always give references.  Unfortunately the PDF is of a book printed in England and ends with the Racoltla.  My Copies were printed by Sadlier in the US and do contain the additional prayers.
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