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Offline Ascetik

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Re: How clear is your memory of childhood?
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2022, 07:18:51 PM »
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  • I fail to see how God can "forget" anything. He is eternal and every moment of every person's life is present to Him eternally, even your eternal beatitude or damnation, it's already eternally before Him.

    How could it possibly be that He forgets something or that it is no longer present to Him? God is outside of time and sees everything perfectly, every moment of every creature ever in one perfect vision. It doesn't make sense to impute forgetfulness to God.

    God forgives of course, and if one seeks that forgiveness through confession they'll be in a state of grace, but they may not have made sufficient reparations for instance. This is where good works, prayer and purgatory come in. It's the economy of grace and merit.

    Though this idea that God forgets sins is simply not true. He may never bring them up with us again after the final judgement, because all that is hidden will now be revealed in perfect Justice to repair His glory but He doesn't cease seeing eternally everything at all moments from beginning to end.

    I guess we'll find out better in Heaven, but I fail to grasp that God cuts off His own vision of an event that is sinful and offensive to Him. Because each sinful act reverberates in Eternity through His perfect vision of it, He needed an eternal sacrifice, this is where Christ comes in. It's a big mystery, not sure we'll ever truly comprehend it, even in Eternity.


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    Re: How clear is your memory of childhood?
    « Reply #16 on: April 30, 2022, 05:29:29 AM »
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  • I can remember specific events, but I would not be able to divide them into time blocks as you have. And I wouldn’t be able to date them. I think the earliest event which I can remember was when I was 3.
    My sentiments exactly.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: How clear is your memory of childhood?
    « Reply #17 on: April 30, 2022, 07:59:25 AM »
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  • I fail to see how God can "forget" anything.

    He wills to forget it, to cease having it in His divine intellect.  And anything that is no longer in God's mind ceases to exist.

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    Re: How clear is your memory of childhood?
    « Reply #18 on: April 30, 2022, 08:00:17 AM »
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  • Thanks for this!

    And what about plenary indulgence for the debt owed?

    I'm not sure what you're asking, but plenary indulgences for the debt owed can be received through the Church provided that one is free from attachment to all sin.

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    Re: How clear is your memory of childhood?
    « Reply #19 on: April 30, 2022, 08:49:17 AM »
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  • He wills to forget it, to cease having it in His divine intellect.  And anything that is no longer in God's mind ceases to exist.
    Which actually makes sense since sin is a negation of a good,  and no evil can be found in God. Therefore, to forget is to transform that which was already evil into good.

    I'm not sure what you're asking, but plenary indulgences for the debt owed can be received through the Church provided that one is free from attachment to all sin.
    Which is good reason to bear the tiny cross of confession, communion and the stations of the cross for the plenary indulgence.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

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    Re: How clear is your memory of childhood?
    « Reply #20 on: April 30, 2022, 11:04:12 AM »
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  • Childhood?! I'm just trying to remember what I ate for breakfast.::)

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    Re: How clear is your memory of childhood?
    « Reply #21 on: May 10, 2022, 06:25:01 PM »
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  • I fail to see how God can "forget" anything. He is eternal and every moment of every person's life is present to Him eternally, even your eternal beatitude or damnation, it's already eternally before Him.

    How could it possibly be that He forgets something or that it is no longer present to Him? God is outside of time and sees everything perfectly, every moment of every creature ever in one perfect vision. It doesn't make sense to impute forgetfulness to God.

    God forgives of course, and if one seeks that forgiveness through confession they'll be in a state of grace, but they may not have made sufficient reparations for instance. This is where good works, prayer and purgatory come in. It's the economy of grace and merit.

    Though this idea that God forgets sins is simply not true. He may never bring them up with us again after the final judgement, because all that is hidden will now be revealed in perfect Justice to repair His glory but He doesn't cease seeing eternally everything at all moments from beginning to end.

    I guess we'll find out better in Heaven, but I fail to grasp that God cuts off His own vision of an event that is sinful and offensive to Him. Because each sinful act reverberates in Eternity through His perfect vision of it, He needed an eternal sacrifice, this is where Christ comes in. It's a big mystery, not sure we'll ever truly comprehend it, even in Eternity.
    de Lehen, The Way of Interior Peace (1888) pg 104-105 explicitly says God forgets all forgiven in the Sacrament of Penance.
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    Re: How clear is your memory of childhood?
    « Reply #22 on: May 10, 2022, 09:46:23 PM »
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  • de Lehen, The Way of Interior Peace (1888) pg 104-105 explicitly says God forgets all forgiven in the Sacrament of Penance.
    Exactly.