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How Catholics ought to dress
« on: July 06, 2013, 12:58:48 PM »
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  • This is an article I received via email from the SSPX:



    How Catholics ought to dress
    July 05, 2013
    District of the US



    Now that the heat of summer is upon us, this is a good opportunity to briefly review the topic of how Catholics should apparel themselves.
    Pastor's Corner for Sunday, July 7

    Summer is on us and with it, the heat. Which makes us feel the need to discard layers of clothes and be freer with our movements. With this desire though, necessarily comes the obligation to continue dressing modestly, and here are some tips about accomplishing this in our own day and age.

    It is good to review the dress code that should be posted at the entrance of churches in accordance with Canon Law (CIC 1262, 2). Though this reflects the Church’s mind for sacred places, it nonetheless also comprises a general rule of thumb for public life. And while every Catholic has rights (to receive the sacraments), he or she also has duties to fulfill in order to maintain these rights; thus why the Holy See has gone so far (for the preservation of souls) to prescribe: “to remove from communion and even from Church, improperly dressed women.”[1] – this rule can of course be applied also to men.

    Another quick rule of thumb is to dress in a dignified manner that will evoke respect. For in addition to providing an edifying example, our dress also defines who we are in society. Thus the appropriateness of a mother’s or father’s dress (particularly in the privacy of home life) can positively or negatively impact the formation of their children – this important aspect is not only contingent upon the modesty of the clothes worn by the parents, but even by their quality, that is, dressing shabbily versus well within one’s means.

    An even further consideration for men and women is to dress properly according to their nature, or respectively, according to their masculinity or femininity. For men, this means they should not wear tight-fitting clothes or in general, go shirtless in public (and especially for fathers, even around the home in front of their children).

    For the ladies, to dress like a man (such as wearing pants) is improper and contradicts a woman’s God-given femininity. That this is not merely an “old fuddy duddy’s” quibble, should be evident when we realize that the proponents of unisex clothing have also been the same “gender theory” people behind the promotion of sins against nature.

    It is interesting to note that the “Lion of Campos”, Bishop de Castro Mayer, once famously remarked in a pastoral letter that he would prefer a woman to wear a mini-skirt rather than pants. For while the mini-skirt was immodest, it was at least feminine, while pants contradicted a woman’s nature (thus the former attacked the senses, while the latter warped the intellect).

    Therefore, so-called “woman’s pants” (usually worn out of pleasure or commodity) are not the proper garb of a Catholic (or Marian-like) girl or lady, either in the parish, domestic or social life. However, if the wearing pants by women cannot be completely avoided due to the circuмstances of our time (profession, security, extraordinary activity, etc.), they should at least disappear from family, social and parish life.

    Concerning modest dress – and this applies to both men and women – the underlying principle is that it should more cover, rather than expose oneself to the allurement of the public eye. Thus both men and women should dress so as to inspire respect and chaste love, as opposed to the enkindling of lust.

    Albeit, finding proper clothes today can be very difficult today, as most fashions are terribly provocative and have been designed to induce impurity. This is especially the case for women’s fashions; however, good women (using a bit of resourcefulness) can still manage to dress with modest attractiveness and charm – and without appearing that they have just stepped off a set of “Little House on the Prairie”!

    A last word regarding the issue of swimming. Unfortunately there is little available in the stores today that is even half-way decent, or modest, though some have attempted to alleviate this deficiency by wearing t-shirts over their swimwear. But even more importantly perhaps are the oft-ignored ecclesiastical admonitions against the dangers of swimming in public places. Thus we are compelled to exhort families to make the effort to find a secluded place to swim amongst themselves – or not at all. Better to forgo the recreational (and optional) pleasure of swimming then to endanger the souls of one’s family (or of others)!

    In concluding this brief review on the importance of dressing modestly, here are some pertinent quotes (and one illustrative example) – which far from being ancient, are of recent date, and thus ever new.

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    G.K. Chesterton: “unless we live as we believe, we’ll end up believing as we live.”

    Pope Pius XII: “The purity of souls living of the supernatural life of grace is not preserved and will never be preserved without combat.” Many women and girls stubbornly persist in "following certain shameless styles like so many sheep." "They would certainly blush if they could guess the impression they make and the feeling they evoke in those who see them."

    Padre Pio (+1968) repeatedly refuse to absolve women who did not wear a skirt that extended at least 8 inches below the knee, while also insisting that they did not wear slacks.

    Our Lady of Fatima:

        The sins of the world are too great! The sins which lead most souls to hell are sins of the flesh! Certain fashions are going to be introduced which will offend Our Lord very much. Those who serve God should not follow these fashions. The Church has no fashions; Our Lord is always the same.
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    « Reply #1 on: July 06, 2013, 07:17:38 PM »
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  • Excellent post!


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    « Reply #2 on: July 06, 2013, 07:58:26 PM »
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  • It has more real teaching than nonsense (vs what you see from the NO with pages of nonsense with a crumb of a 1/2 truth somewhere) but he adds the we can still fit in at the end/don't go off the deep end in the closing. He acknowledges the difficulty in finding clothing for females but nothing telling women to learn to sew.

    What is the part about wearing pants for security?

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    « Reply #3 on: July 06, 2013, 08:23:05 PM »
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  • Good article. Thanks Matto for passing it along.

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    He acknowledges the difficulty in finding clothing for females but nothing telling women to learn to sew.


    I think if you tell women they have to learn to sew in order to dress modestly, they'll use it as an excuse not to find other ways if they can't sew. I hope to learn to sew someday, but I still have to have modest clothing now.
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    « Reply #4 on: July 06, 2013, 08:36:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    Good article. Thanks Matto for passing it along.

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    He acknowledges the difficulty in finding clothing for females but nothing telling women to learn to sew.


    I think if you tell women they have to learn to sew in order to dress modestly, they'll use it as an excuse not to find other ways if they can't sew. I hope to learn to sew someday, but I still have to have modest clothing now.
     The priest should  encourage it to be a common practice. MD you have young children, if sewing our own dresses was the norm, teenagers or women with children over six could sew for you. I know there are obstacles - sewing machines are expensive to begin with plus other tools - but I think it should be encouraged and supported by priests until it becomes common practice.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 06, 2013, 10:14:48 PM »
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    Quote from: MaterDominici
    Good article. Thanks Matto for passing it along.

    Quote from: Tiffany
    He acknowledges the difficulty in finding clothing for females but nothing telling women to learn to sew.


    I think if you tell women they have to learn to sew in order to dress modestly, they'll use it as an excuse not to find other ways if they can't sew. I hope to learn to sew someday, but I still have to have modest clothing now.
     The priest should  encourage it to be a common practice. MD you have young children, if sewing our own dresses was the norm, teenagers or women with children over six could sew for you. I know there are obstacles - sewing machines are expensive to begin with plus other tools - but I think it should be encouraged and supported by priests until it becomes common practice.


    I agree with Tiffany on the importance of learning to sew. Once you learn, Mater, you'll be able to teach your girls. No hurry there, I know, but time creeps up on one. It can be really simple. Why not start with something like this?  http://www.danamadeit.com/2008/07/tutorial-a-simple-skirt.html
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    « Reply #6 on: July 06, 2013, 11:07:27 PM »
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  • I started learning when I was single since my roommate knew how and had a sewing machine.

    Then I got married... I still have here a half sewn skirt that doesn't even fit!  :stare: Oh well.

    I want my girls to learn whether they learn from me or from someone else. My mom actually just set up a sewing machine in her house as (1) my aunt who was the fast and efficient mender recently passed away and (2) my grandmother also recently passed away and therefore there was an extra sewing machine to be had. My mom hasn't sewn anything in decades, but wants to be able to mend things.

    Anyhow, I agree with you both that it should be encouraged, but nonetheless I've not yet had too much difficulty in dressing everyone here with mostly second-hand clothing.
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    « Reply #7 on: July 06, 2013, 11:19:35 PM »
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  • Anyway, this SSPX article is quite recent.

    Quick response:

    Talk is cheap.  They want people to think they're maintaining the old standards they did before.

    Practically speaking they have not been.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 06, 2013, 11:25:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    This is an article I received via email from the SSPX:
    How Catholics ought to dress
    July 05, 2013
    District of the US

    Quotes

    G.K. Chesterton: “unless we live as we believe, we’ll end up believing as we live.”

    Pope Pius XII: “The purity of souls living of the supernatural life of grace is not preserved and will never be preserved without combat.” Many women and girls stubbornly persist in "following certain shameless styles like so many sheep." "They would certainly blush if they could guess the impression they make and the feeling they evoke in those who see them."

    Padre Pio (+1968) repeatedly refuse to absolve women who did not wear a skirt that extended at least 8 inches below the knee, while also insisting that they did not wear slacks.

    Our Lady of Fatima:

        The sins of the world are too great! The sins which lead most souls to hell are sins of the flesh! Certain fashions are going to be introduced which will offend Our Lord very much. Those who serve God should not follow these fashions. The Church has no fashions; Our Lord is always the same.


    This is why I supported the SSPX for so many years, and why it's so tragic that they're taking steps to end the fight against the World and the Conciliar Church.

    Such a breath of fresh air -- you can taste the truth contained therein!

    A very well-written article.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 06, 2013, 11:33:06 PM »
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  • In 2010 I heard a sermon by one of the Regina Coeli house priests saying he would prefer girls wear pants to short skirts.  Not necessarily an illegitimate position, but not something to mention in the sermon, because you don't say you'd rather women wear pants than something worse.  Unless you're trying to encourage change.  And in the past few years the change has become evident.  Pants are being worn more commonly than before.

    This article makes it seem as though the SSPX is holding the line.


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    « Reply #10 on: July 06, 2013, 11:35:58 PM »
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  • In the Novus Ordo for many years one could still find a certain degree of traditional teaching in many publications while the reality of what was being done was quite different.

    For example: movie ratings were fairly strict in the Diocesan paper when I was young.

    They are hedging their message now - this is to keep people placated.

    Change will keep occurring.  



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    « Reply #11 on: July 07, 2013, 08:35:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    Good article. Thanks Matto for passing it along.

    Quote from: Tiffany
    He acknowledges the difficulty in finding clothing for females but nothing telling women to learn to sew.


    I think if you tell women they have to learn to sew in order to dress modestly, they'll use it as an excuse not to find other ways if they can't sew. I hope to learn to sew someday, but I still have to have modest clothing now.


    I haven't learned how to sew yet (though I plan to) and I can still find adequate clothing, especially at thrift stores.
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    « Reply #12 on: July 07, 2013, 08:41:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    In 2010 I heard a sermon by one of the Regina Coeli house priests saying he would prefer girls wear pants to short skirts.  Not necessarily an illegitimate position, but not something to mention in the sermon, because you don't say you'd rather women wear pants than something worse.


    I agree, sermons should challenge us and inspire the ideal, not give us an excuse to choose the lesser of two not-so-great options.
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    « Reply #13 on: July 07, 2013, 09:01:07 AM »
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    This article makes it seem as though the SSPX is holding the line.

    How is the crack about still fitting in holding the line? It's more double talk. We don't need truth mixed in with "still fit in with the world."  When I read that I thought this is where Ggreg gets it from.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 07, 2013, 09:04:14 AM »
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    I started learning when I was single since my roommate knew how and had a sewing machine.

    Then I got married... I still have here a half sewn skirt that doesn't even fit!  :stare: Oh well.

    I want my girls to learn whether they learn from me or from someone else. My mom actually just set up a sewing machine in her house as (1) my aunt who was the fast and efficient mender recently passed away and (2) my grandmother also recently passed away and therefore there was an extra sewing machine to be had. My mom hasn't sewn anything in decades, but wants to be able to mend things.

    Anyhow, I agree with you both that it should be encouraged, but nonetheless I've not yet had too much difficulty in dressing everyone here with mostly second-hand clothing.


    I think every woman ends up with a craft UFO (unfinished object) about the same age as her oldest!

     I'm sorry about your Aunt and grandma.