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Offline Kephapaulos

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« on: November 04, 2007, 09:22:28 PM »
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  • How should a husband lead and how should a wife obey?
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    « Reply #1 on: November 04, 2007, 09:38:58 PM »
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  • There are many excellent marriage 'manuals'.  Please acquire and read one for a good answer.  The Gospel also provides many insights where this matter is concerned.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 02:26:38 AM »
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  • I think that question has varied answers as it depends on many circuмstances. It cannot really be generalized on whatever way. Yes there are helpful tips from books, priests, and writings from saints, but I still believe that the best and right answer can only be found from inside of you and your future wife.  

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    « Reply #3 on: November 05, 2007, 07:16:59 AM »
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  • Well, you can get the book, Keph, and take all the advice of all these experts.  Or you can use the Golden Rule.  It's light, flexible, all purpose and given to us by God, Himself.  
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    Offline Nomas

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    « Reply #4 on: November 05, 2007, 09:09:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Kephapaulos
    How should a husband lead and how should a wife obey?


    A husband should lead like Jesus and the wife should obey as Mary obeyed is the short answer, the long answer can and does fill up several books.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 05, 2007, 09:18:23 AM »
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    Well, you can get the book, Keph, and take all the advice of all these experts.  Or you can use the Golden Rule.  It's light, flexible, all purpose and given to us by God, Himself.  


    Following those "experts" and doing God's will is one and the same thing.

    Your statement (above) COULD sound as though Catholic priests and theologians have routinely dismissed the Golden Rule, unto some kind of evil scheme.

    You may not have meant it that way, but that's one way you could interpret the above sentence. I'd suggest you be more clear.

    Did you mean that the books/expert route was EQUIVALENT to the Golden Rule route?

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    Offline Trinity

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    « Reply #6 on: November 05, 2007, 09:33:26 AM »
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  • I mean that the Golden Rule covers all contingencies and doesn't require bogging down in minute rules and having to look up the rule per situation, etc.  Unless these priests and theologians are teaching infallibly, it does not necessarily equate that following them is following God.  

    But I gave that to Keph in case it would be of some use to him, not to start an argument.
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    « Reply #7 on: November 05, 2007, 09:37:34 AM »
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  • You do need practical advice though -- it's easier to remember than one "big rule" which is supposed to cover all aspects of life.

    And yes, if you follow your priest you are following God. If they are objectively wrong, then God will take it up with the priest later.

    You, on the other hand, are off the hook.

    One of the biggest epidemics today is traditional Catholics not trusting their priests. The priests have to FIGHT -- I repeat, FIGHT -- for every ounce of trust or obedience from their flock. I just hope those reluctantly obedient "faithful" have a darn good excuse. They are resisting God's authority when they resist the authority of His priests.

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    Offline Nomas

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    « Reply #8 on: November 05, 2007, 09:48:08 AM »
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  • The golden rule is to vague, if it was that simple the Bible would be a much smaller as would this forum.

    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    « Reply #9 on: November 05, 2007, 10:15:39 AM »
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  • Clearly there is a need for some instruction, or Holy Church would not have her priests instruct those who are to be married.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

    Offline erin is nice

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    « Reply #10 on: November 05, 2007, 10:25:24 AM »
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    The golden rule is to vague, if it was that simple the Bible would be a much smaller as would this forum.


    If you think the it's too vague, why don't you enlighten us?

    Personally, I think a man who is a micromanager and makes silly demands (like being asked permission for a haircut) is not very masculine.  And women who can't make day to day decisions, which keep the household going, without asking their husbands a million questions, are acting like children.

    If the husband and wife are both focusing on doing their daily tasks to the best of their ability, there will be very little commanding and obeying.  I don't need to be told to take care of the kids, pay the bills on time, etc-- I know these are my responsibilities and I don't shirk them.


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    « Reply #11 on: November 05, 2007, 10:42:40 AM »
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    Quote from: Nomas
    The golden rule is to vague, if it was that simple the Bible would be a much smaller as would this forum.


    If you think the it's too vague, why don't you enlighten us?

    Personally, I think a man who is a micromanager and makes silly demands (like being asked permission for a haircut) is not very masculine.  And women who can't make day to day decisions, which keep the household going, without asking their husbands a million questions, are acting like children.

    If the husband and wife are both focusing on doing their daily tasks to the best of their ability, there will be very little commanding and obeying.  I don't need to be told to take care of the kids, pay the bills on time, etc-- I know these are my responsibilities and I don't shirk them.


     :roll-laugh1:  what world are you living in

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    « Reply #12 on: November 05, 2007, 10:51:09 AM »
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  • The Duel
    (The Gingham Dog and the Calico Cat
      by Eugene Field
    The gingham dog and the calico cat  
    Side by side on the table sat;
    'Twas half-past twelve, and (what do you think!)
    Nor one nor t'other had slept a wink!
      The old Dutch clock and the Chinese plate
      Appeared to know as sure as fate
    There was going to be a terrible spat.
      (I wasn't there; I simply state
      What was told to me by the Chinese plate!)

    The gingham dog went " Bow-wow-wow!"
    And the calico cat replied "Me-ow!"
    The air was littered,an hour or so,
    With bits of gingham and calico,
      While the old Dutch clock in the chimney place
      Up with it hands before its face,
    For it always dreaded a family row!
      (Now mind: I'm only telling you
      What the old Dutch clock declares is true!)

    The Chinese plate looked very blue,
    And wailed,"Oh dear! What shall we do!"
    But the gingham dog and the calico cat
    Wallowed this way and tumbled that,
      Employing every tooth and claw
      In the awfullest way you ever saw-
    And oh! how the gingham and calico flew!
      (Don't fancy I exaggerate!
      I got my news from the Chinese plate!)

    Next morning where the two had sat
    They found no trace of dog or cat;
    And some folks think unto this day
    That burglars stole the pair away!
      But the truth about the cat and pup
      Is this: they ate each other up!
    Now what do you really think of that!
      (The old Dutch clock, it told me so,
      And that is how I came to know.)

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     :roll-laugh1:  what world are you living in


    The world of the happily married, I guess.

    Why?  Are you a micromanager?  Do you expect to be asked about every single minute detail of daily life?

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    Quote from: Nomas


     :roll-laugh1:  what world are you living in


    The world of the happily married, I guess.

    Why?  Are you a micromanager?  Do you expect to be asked about every single minute detail of daily life?


    Careful now don't let your brains go to your head.

    Your post was pure vanity, basicly everyone should be perfect like you and no one better try and tell you what to do, I've got news for you, your not that great.