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Hope I handled this well
« on: June 09, 2010, 08:39:27 AM »
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  • I got an email from a friend that is good fellow, but thinks the NO is fine and that V2 is orthodox. He emailed me the fact that the Roman Missal (the NO) is being revised and that there are workshops on it. My response to him (names and areas changed):

    With respect to you fellow Catholic sisters and brothers-I'll stick with the Mass codified by Pope St. Pius V, a revision of the NO means just revising the "mass" of Cramner....no thanks....it was heretical and many English were brutally tortured and died refusing to pray Cramner's "mass" then, what a slap to their faces we say Cramner's Mass now....we just call it the NO...please see the documentary (all 5 parts are online @ Youtube and I have it on DVD) "What We have Lost..and the Road to Restoration". Several top prelates studied the NO and concluded  "the Novus Ordo represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session XXII of the Council of Trent. The "canons" of the rite definitively fixed at that time provided an insurmountable barrier to any; heresy directed against the integrity of the Mystery." http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/reformof.htm . Even a properly said NO is defective (it can confer graces, but not fully pleasing to God, who gave us the Church, who in turn codified the TLM for the Roman Riters), because at its core it is based, again, on a heretical Anglican template...5 minutes from my house, there is a Anglican "church"..know some people there, very nice....I prefer to stay in the truth, which is of course the Catholic Faith...

    You all reading this may or may not agree with me, 0% or 100%, that is fine.I have 2 talks on the English reformation that discuss these issues in depth if anyone is truly open minded. But...

    Please, no responses sent back, I am not going to entertain debates or arguments-they go nowhere and achieve nothing...they will only inflame and divide us..if anyone cannot abide by that, will just go ahead and block you from this govt run computer.

    Let us agree if need be, to disagree and work together in love on those things we do agree on, keeping the admonition of Paul (1Cor:13 1 If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.)

    Thanks to T_for his diligence in keeping up with this interesting development. Blessings to he and M(spouse)! Your both are wonderful people! Let us also be thankful for priests like Fr. P_, who have given us innumerable gifts and has had courage to stand for the truth. Prayers for Pope Benedict as well. Again, please, no return emails.Thanks!
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    « Reply #1 on: June 09, 2010, 09:11:51 AM »
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  • What a tight rope we walk.
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    « Reply #2 on: June 09, 2010, 09:39:26 AM »
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  • true, some mena well but love both the TLM and the NO, both are fine with them, no contradictions seen

    2+2=4 and 2+2=5  to them
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    « Reply #3 on: June 09, 2010, 09:49:55 AM »
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  • Maybe that's the problem.  If they were coming up with 2+2=6 it would be easier.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 09, 2010, 11:29:34 AM »
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  • I would reply but he won't see it since he has me on hide, so I will refraim.  



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    « Reply #5 on: June 09, 2010, 11:40:45 AM »
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  • Reply, Myrna.  I don't have you on hide.
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    « Reply #6 on: June 09, 2010, 11:47:58 AM »
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  • after asking a few times to to reply, he did-he is one that will not listen and has to argue constantly. I blocked him from work email.As noted, did not reply either.
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    Offline Belloc

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    « Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 07:58:28 AM »
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  • after asking people not to reply to me, I got a response anyway:

    "Thank you for your comments.  However, given the audacious nature of your claims, asking for no response is unacceptable and cowardly.  Please remove me from your list."

    my response:

    And you responding after I asked that response not sent back BECAUSE THIS IS A GOVT COMPUTER AND INCOMING MESSSAGES ARE HEAVILY SCUTINIZED is not cowardly, also, you were asked not to respond and a grasp of the English language is apparently lacking. If you are that ignorant of the V2 revolution and changes, and English reformation history and Cramner, then talking to any further would indeed be a waste of both of our times. The sham of the NO Church is, maybe,for you after all!Know though the NO Church is NOT Catholic at all. Attending a High Anglican service would likely be about the same, though the people likely would be far more holy then the hand clapping, hand shaking and talking constantly during the Mass. 70-80% of NO Catholics think the Eucharist is a symbol only, wlll over 90% think contraception is fine and most think abortion is acceptable. If I were a coward, I would just go along with the changes and sit there a simpleton believing everything that was shoveled to me (clown masses, facing the people, hand shaking,et,etc). Not doing the research and not actually thinking for ones' self is cowardly. Blocking and removing you-done deal!!
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    « Reply #8 on: June 11, 2010, 08:53:22 AM »
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  • Is he saying the truth is audacious?
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    « Reply #9 on: June 11, 2010, 09:11:18 AM »
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  • Quote from: Trinity
    Is he saying the truth is audacious?


    Well it is, isn't it? I can't think of anything people hate more, or find more offensive.
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

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    « Reply #10 on: June 11, 2010, 09:13:25 AM »
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    Is he saying the truth is audacious?


    he, like the original fellow I replied to, thinks that V2 as a great thing nad there is no disconnect in worship or theology. Also, apapernly, thinks that Cramner's "mass" was fine or maybe, the NO was not the same....

    People find it easier to attack the message bearer then actually get off their duffs and do the work.....
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    « Reply #11 on: June 11, 2010, 09:24:25 AM »
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  • Well, the scribes, sadducees and pharisees thought Jesus was audacious, too.  
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    « Reply #12 on: June 11, 2010, 11:08:45 AM »
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  • 3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin and defeat heresies.
    This promise, along with the next, is simply the reminder on how fervent prayer will help us all grow in holiness by avoiding sin, especially a prayer with the excellence of the Rosary. An increase in holiness necessarily requires a reduction in sin, vice, and doctrinal errors (heresies). If only the Modernists could be convinced to pray the Rosary! (see Lumen Gentium chapter V - The Call to Holiness #42) St. Louis de Montfort states "Since Mary alone crushed all heresies, as we are told by the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit (Office of the Blessed Virgin
     
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    « Reply #13 on: June 11, 2010, 11:30:41 AM »
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  • well said
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    « Reply #14 on: June 11, 2010, 12:17:35 PM »
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  • Had you thought  before of each person in the NO as a modernist?  Why don't you challenge this guy to make a novena for the intention of seeing the light?
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    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

     

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