Author Topic: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: I really dont believe anyone is born that way (Read 1125 times)

Daegus · « **on:** July 15, 2011, 08:12:50 AM »

As most of you already know, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is quite the controversial topic for most these days. In a way, it's almost as if if you don't agree with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity you will be crucified by your enlightened liberal "friends" and the liberal media.

What I've never agreed with though, is the thought that anyone is born a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. Why would God do such a thing to anyone? Why would He create someone and make them have disordered desires? When people say that, I find that it just discredits God and puts Him on the back burner. If you talk to N.O. Catholics wrt this issue, they make it seem as though God threw a boulder at you for no reason and told you to push it up a hill, which only makes Him seem exceedingly cruel, which is certainly not true at all.

Quite frankly, I don't sincerely believe anyone is born gαy. I'm sure that most, if not all gαys have either:

(1) been scandalized by the actions or words of someone they've been exposed to (i.e. parents) who sanction ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity
(2) Come from a broken home and end up getting confused, thinking that they could be gαy as a result of their confusion
(3) sinned mortally from a very young age, or sometimes even an old age and God simply allows them to become "gαy" because they would rather love men than Him.

People can call me a bigot all day, send me death threats, dismiss me because I'm Christian, etc. But I don't sincerely believe that anyone is born gαy. Babies are not even capable of thinking about sex so could they possibly be born gαy? On top of that, children under the age of reason don't even have the capacity to understand sex, so how can anyone say that people are "born gαy"? I've seen what happens to children are exposed to sex of any kind too early.

What got me thinking about this was Peter Dimond's video on the exorcism of Anneliese Michel and then Ken Bird's video on some transsɛҳuąƖ "woman" fearing for her life. In Peter Dimond's video, he brings up the point that in the movie they made about her (The Exorcism of Emily Rose), they make it seem like the main character is perfectly innocent and that the Virgin Mother wanted her to be possessed like that which I do not believe at all. People don't just randomly become possessed if they are innocent. God would never do that to anyone.

Then while watching Ken Bird's video, it got me thinking.. Are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs really born that way? I don't think so. You can find the videos here:

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s2srea · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2011, 08:32:11 AM »

Daegus-

Thanks for bringing this topic up. I've said before here (I believe before you were a member) that I have a close friend who I'd grown up (who is a Trad) who revealed to me in secret that he had an inclination towards these perverse feelings. He said it was quite the struggle, but that he would remain chaste, and in not pursue a vocation towards the priesthood.

Now you make some very good points, especially about being scandalized. His brother is an out of the bag flaming sodomite. I'd only met him once, but that was enough. I believe this affected him strongly. The thing is is that when most people these days find out their friend or relative is 'gαy', they use this as a reason to leave their religion (think Anne Rice).

For me, this has strengthened my conviction that even if people have these feelings, regardless of influence, strong devotion to our Lord and Lady lets us overcome it. All I can do is continue to pray for him and support him when I can. What do you think?

Lybus · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2011, 08:54:55 AM »

As lust is a sin of the flesh, the perversity of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is highly based on the natural level (unless you are possessed or something). In other words, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity can be caused by chemical imbalances or psychological problems. I am inclined to think it might come from poor upbringing and malnutrition for some reason or another. Any number of factors, I think, can lead to a person tending towards ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, such as too much estrogen in the brain, combined with a poor relationship with the father. It can also be a result of extreme Narcissism, in which the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ man is so in love with himself that he self-projects his own image onto other men..........

Here's an article by Steven Goldberg, a retired professor and ex-Chairman of the Sociology Department at City College of New York, who seems to think that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a psychological disorder.

http://www.narth.com/docs/howthink.html

Oh btw I agree that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is not something you are born with.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2011, 09:49:22 AM »

You're right Daegus, no one is born gαy. That's just a stupid excuse that comes from the gαys. What happens in sometime in their life (usually childhood) something happens to them that makes them go through a gender identity crisis. Then they grow up thinking they were born gαy, which is completely ridiculous. I can't stand the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ movement. It makes me sick. And you know, I've even seen so-called Christians who are gαy that claim God has no problem with them being gαy. I find it interesting that they avoid that part of the Bible that speaks of God burning down a city that was filled with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ filth.

The media lashes out at anyone who is against being gαy. Thanks to the liberals, we now have a hate crime starting to come into affect, it will eventually get to a point where priets will be locked in jail for speaking out against being gαy. It's just purely disgusting. You can already see it going in that direction. I saw a commercial about a month ago where sports athletes (basketball players I think) were saying not to speak out against being gαy and to "think before you speak". Apparently they didn't think before they spoke. You aren't a real Christian if you advocate ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

s2srea · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2011, 11:00:34 AM »

Quote from: Lybus

Here's an article by Steven Goldberg, a retired professor and ex-Chairman of the Sociology Department at City College of New York, who seems to think that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a psychological disorder.

http://www.narth.com/docs/howthink.html

They have some great resources at NARTH. Of course the recent scandal with one of their ranking officials was blown out of proportion as an attempt to destroy their credibility.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, it is illegal/you can lose your license, if you are a psychologist who calls or treats sodomy as a disorder.

Daegus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2011, 11:57:30 AM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

You're right Daegus, no one is born gαy. That's just a stupid excuse that comes from the gαys. What happens in sometime in their life (usually childhood) something happens to them that makes them go through a gender identity crisis. Then they grow up thinking they were born gαy, which is completely ridiculous.

Precisely. Find me one person that is "gαy" that wasn't exposed to something very perverse at some point in time in their lives. Even a person who starts off watching heterosɛҳuąƖ pornography, at some point, could get bored of it and then move onto things like ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ pornography, find it interesting and then conclude that they were gαy all along.

I never trust the accounts of secularists because what is perverse to them is not what is perverse to those who hold the Catholic faith. They will not see their parents dressing them up as girls when they are boys as perverse. They won't see telling them that there's nothing wrong with being ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ as perverse. All of this conditions their mind to think that all of this happens naturally. No, not at all.

Then of course there is mortal sin which will ruin the lives of anyone who is trapped in it. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity (allowing us to be captivated by it) is one way God punishes us for mortal sin.

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I can't stand the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ movement. It makes me sick. And you know, I've even seen so-called Christians who are gαy that claim God has no problem with them being gαy. I find it interesting that they avoid that part of the Bible that speaks of God burning down a city that was filled with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ filth

Because the one true religion rejects their sinful ways, they make up their own religion. Does that remind you of anyone, per chance? :scratchchin:

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The media lashes out at anyone who is against being gαy. Thanks to the liberals, we now have a hate crime starting to come into affect, it will eventually get to a point where priets will be locked in jail for speaking out against being gαy. It's just purely disgusting. You can already see it going in that direction. I saw a commercial about a month ago where sports athletes (basketball players I think) were saying not to speak out against being gαy and to "think before you speak". Apparently they didn't think before they spoke. You aren't a real Christian if you advocate ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

Persecution is coming. Do prepare yourself soon!

wallflower · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2011, 04:55:18 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

I find it interesting that they avoid that part of the Bible that speaks of God burning down a city that was filled with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ filth.

I've heard many of them address this as a hospitality issue, not ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. God was angry that they were inhospitable to guests, sɛҳuąƖ orientation had nothing to do with it, and lack of charity (ahem-hem to all anti-gαys :rolleyes: ) is the real sin that cries to heaven for vengeance. So they do address it but as with anything else, it can be rationalized.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2011, 05:30:14 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
I find it interesting that they avoid that part of the Bible that speaks of God burning down a city that was filled with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ filth.

I've heard many of them address this as a hospitality issue, not ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. God was angry that they were inhospitable to guests, sɛҳuąƖ orientation had nothing to do with it, and lack of charity (ahem-hem to all anti-gαys :rolleyes: ) is the real sin that cries to heaven for vengeance. So they do address it but as with anything else, it can be rationalized.

Yeah that's right... the WHOLE male population of the town is going to crowd at the door of your house just to "be mean" to some newcomers minding their own business.

The Bible says clearly what the Sodomites wanted...

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Genesis Chapter 19.

4. But before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house both young and old, all the people together.

5. And they called to Lot, and said to him: Where are the the men that came in to thee at night? Bring them out hither that we may know them

6. Lot went out to them, and shut the door after him, and said:

7. Do not so, my brethren, do not commit this evil.

8. I have two daughters who as yet have not known man: I will bring them out to you, and abuse you them as it shall please you so that you do no evil to these men, because they are come in under the shadow of my roof.