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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on September 15, 2012, 12:55:00 PM
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From a Homeschooling mailing list:
When I pulled Jeffrey out of school in first grade, it was in March. By that time, the principal and teachers knew me all too well. :( I had been there every single day on my lunch breaks, asking them for help/testing, etc. In seven months we had gotten no where. As a matter of fact, we were going backwards! I had a child who was excited to learn, learning, charming, happy and outgoing when he started in August. By March, he had given up, he was despondent, introverted, told he was stupid, told he was slow and thought he was never going to learn anything ever again. It took me more than five months to undo the damage they had done with him. We didn't know then, but he is severely Dyslexic and Dysgraphic... which I had to figure out all on my own, despite their trained "professionals" not being able to figure it out.
It was a Wednesday afternoon and I was called to come get him from the principal's office, again, because he was refusing to talk or do any work. I rushed there, again, only to find him completely broken down, sobbing, unable to talk because of how upset he was and just about unresponsive! (Well... not really... but it took him days to talk about it as he was so upset!) I was infuriated, to say the least. I told the principal and teachers that I would not be bringing him back, I was going to teach him myself (which I couldn't believe I was actually saying out loud...lol...) and I would be sending them a letter in the mail. She laughed at me and said, "Oh... you'll be back. They all come back. You'll be back and begging to take him back." I said, "No, I don't think so." She laughed again and said, "You'll see."
Well... that was twelve years and six months ago. We never even LOOKED back. lol. I can't honestly say that he got the best possible academic education that he possibly could have ever had, but that wasn't our goal.
I got my happy, charming, outgoing child back and slowly convinced him that he could learn and that he could do it. We didn't have a soul help us, despite my constant asking every source I could find and we fell between every crack put in front of us. But, we made it. They would have produced a juvenile delinquent, at that rate. Instead I have a strong, six-foot-two young man who's never had so much as a traffic ticket; who graduated from high school with all A's and B's; and who, if he's not at work, you'll find him working in neighbor's yards with his lawn service or at church serving others.
Hopefully, our story is somewhat of an encouragement to someone. :)
~Lisa
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It is uplifting to hear of a mother who successfully homeschooled her child, even when people had more or less indicated that she would not manage it.
Let us hope that more parents will be encouraged by this to also homeschool.
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Homeschooling is so necessary to bring children up in the Faith.
Otherwise they either get heresy at a so-called “catholic” school, or they learn nothing at about the Faith at a public school.
The CMRI schools are actually the only schools that I would recommend to good Catholic parents.
Here is a link to many good Catholic CMRI schools in the USA:
http://www.cmri.org/latin-mass-directory/traditional-catholic-schools.shtml
Homeschooling is very necessary to pass on the Faith to the children.
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Also, mandatory schooling is a recent concept.
I think that it may have been a nineteenth century idea.
It breaks up family life.
As well as the fact that children need to be taught the Catholic Faith at home.
School is an artificial notion.
Before school, people used to grow in knowledge as they grew up.
School is used to fill young heads with bad ideas.
To de-christianize society.
To weaken the Family., etc.
Parents, homeschool your children.
It is worth it, for the sake of their souls.
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Also, mandatory schooling is a recent concept.
I think that it may have been a nineteenth century idea.
It breaks up family life.
As well as the fact that children need to be taught the Catholic Faith at home.
School is an artificial notion.
Before school, people used to grow in knowledge as they grew up.
School is used to fill young heads with bad ideas.
To de-christianize society.
To weaken the Family., etc.
Parents, homeschool your children.
It is worth it, for the sake of their souls.
While I agree our public schools nowadays aren't good for religious instruction or moral values the nation doing the schooling of the child is not a necessarily evil idea and public schools are the hallmark of a populist. Those in school should (obviously) be taught about the respect of one's own nation and national pride, at the same time the innoculation of character in religous instruction, the forming of a healthy body through athletics, and finally in the essentials of core subjects.
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Dear Trad Guy,
My concern is mainly with the religious side of education.
If the schools are defective in teaching the Faith, then all is lost.
Any academic success is empty without the Faith.
In most cases, only the parents care enough about their children to patiently educate them in the Faith.
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Dear Trad Guy,
My concern is mainly with the religious side of education.
If the schools are defective in teaching the Faith, then all is lost.
Any academic success is empty without the Faith.
Only the parents care enough about their children to patiently educate them in the Faith.
I do agree with your concern but my point was only that the nation doing the schooling is not an evil idea, one thing that Catholic schools teach is that if a child is a laborer but remains Catholic then he is more of a success than an atheist who is a famous scientist. Remember that also the model of manliness is not complete with "acedemic success." One thing I can give my teacher in homeroom in high school was that he emphasized the athletes reading the front page of the newspaper, and the scholars reading the sports pages, and then asked us to tell him about both. Remember also that freedom, individualism, etc. are liberal ideas so we must tread carefully when talking about "human rights."
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Dear Trad Guy,
My concern is mainly with the religious side of education.
If the schools are defective in teaching the Faith, then all is lost.
Any academic success is empty without the Faith.
Only the parents care enough about their children to patiently educate them in the Faith.
I do agree with your concern ...one thing that Catholic schools teach is that if a child is a laborer but remains Catholic then he is more of a success than an atheist who is a famous scientist. Remember that also the model of manliness is not complete with "acedemic success." ...
Yes, it is far better to be a manual worker and a traditional Catholic than to be an atheist who is a famous scientist.
The atheist scientists of our own times spring to mind.
Also, the model of manliness is a good concept to explore.
The ideas about chivalry in former times were so good. And so Catholic.
They made men worthy of respect.
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Also, the model of manliness is a good concept to explore.
The ideas about chivalry in former times were so good. And so Catholic.
They made men worthy of respect.
Well the Victorian model on sɛҳuąƖ morality is good but one must be careful when talking about chivalry among our higher circles. For instance among our elitist circles it is considered vulgar to box or to fight. It is not vulgar but actually is a manly toughness to do sports, boxing, and fighting along with the man NOT showing his feelings or whining like a sissy. It is a part of a manly toughness to endure military training with a toughening of character.
In regards to the female the forming of character can be taken from the same viewpoint as the male, though under different roles. The female must first of all, like the male, be tasked with retaining the Catholic faith throughout her whole life, then on to the role of her as a wife and mother and to search for a man for marriage, then to the formation of a healthy body through female sports and the cultivation of physical beauty, and then finally to intellectual values and beliefs, which again must be subordinated to the husband's views on "right-wing ideals" and for the woman to ignore the leftist ideals of feminism and equality.
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In your first paragraph, you just posted something which I was about to comment on.
It is very important that boys today are brought up to be proper men.
Not sissies, and not yobs either.
Just normal Catholic men.
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In your first paragraph, you just posted something which I was about to comment on.
It is very important that boys today are brought up to be proper men.
Not sissies, and not thugs either.
Just normal Catholic men
Boxing and fighting does not make a man a thug. A thug is someone who uses his knife or a gun not his fists. Trust me there is a big difference between boxing and how a street thug fights for I have seen both. Now of course women should definitely not box. Boxing is for men and the woman is the weaker sex.
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I agree that men need to be strong enough (and have the ability) to keep themselves and their loved ones safe.
And, yes, women doing boxing is one of the madnesses of the modern era.
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I agree that men need to be strong enough (and have the ability) to keep themselves and their loved ones safe.
And, yes, women doing boxing is one of the madnesses of the modern era.
Yes to have the ability to keep their family and nation safe.
I'd also like to add that my concept of manliness was formed by my grandfather: a man with little intellectual training having only a high school diploma, but a man who was a strong athlete, knew how to box, achieved his station in life by hard work, was givern military training, and exhibited these attitudes to me. Now of course there are behaviors of his I find reprehensible such as his love of Israel and Jєωs, his economic liberalism, and his Southern dislike of Catholics, along with a moral questioning of character and of religion but when it comes to the essentials in life those former attitudes are good to follow when it comes to working your way in this hard struggle.
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And now I have to wonder how this thread got so off-topic. I think it was my fault. :laugh1:
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As for women boxing its was part of the Frankfurt School ideology to blur the gender roles so that the birthrates would decline, and there would be weak, effeminate men dominated by strong women, an act against the natural gender roles, in where you have a strong man leading the household.
Back to the subject of the article: Homeschooling is definitely a way for the public schools to "wake up", so to speak, before they lose all of their students to homeschooling, because of the children not knwoing anything. Moms are definitely the front line in educating children.
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You are right.
The reversal of the roles is obvious.
Men and women are blurred now.
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There is a very good book for parents who want to homeschool their sons.
Although it is actually great for ANY parents of boys.
It is called “The Broadstone of Honour” by Kenelm Henry Digby.
The reality of what constitutes true Catholic manliness has been obscured in this day and age.
This book shows what it is.
Kenelm Henry Digby wrote it when he was a protestant. Then he converted to Catholicism, and he re-wrote the book as a Catholic.
The Catholic edition is A.D. 1826-1827. And the later editions are also Catholic.
There is an abridged version called “Maxims of Christian Chivalry”. A.D.1926. (Published posthumously.)
Parents, give these books to your sons when they are about seven years old.
They will really help to form good Catholic manly character in your sons.
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It is a book about chivalry, with examples from Catholic history.
Spanish heroes from the middle ages, that sort of thing.
Fantastic.
I really cannot recommend this book too highly.
The abridged version is a cheap paperback.
So buying it is easy.
And it is permeated with a Catholic spirit.
I would strongly advise any parent to buy it for their son.
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It will help to form true Catholic manly character in your sons.
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It is a book about chivalry, with examples from Catholic history.
Spanish heroes from the middle ages, that sort of thing.
Fantastic.
I really cannot recommend this book too highly.
The abridged version is a cheap paperback.
So buying it is easy.
And it is permeated with a Catholic spirit.
I would strongly advise any parent to buy it for their son.
Thank you Sede! I ordered this from the library yesterday. I hope they can locate it.
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Also, mandatory schooling is a recent concept.
I think that it may have been a nineteenth century idea.
It breaks up family life.
As well as the fact that children need to be taught the Catholic Faith at home.
School is an artificial notion.
Before school, people used to grow in knowledge as they grew up.
School is used to fill young heads with bad ideas.
To de-christianize society.
To weaken the Family., etc.
Parents, homeschool your children.
It is worth it, for the sake of their souls.
While I agree our public schools nowadays aren't good for religious instruction or moral values the nation doing the schooling of the child is not a necessarily evil idea and public schools are the hallmark of a populist.
The education of children is a natural right of the parents of any given child; it cannot be interfered with through compulsory schooling without doing violence to the natural order and to the authority of the father. Compulsory education by the state is a crime.
Those in school should (obviously) be taught about the respect of one's own nation and national pride, at the same time the innoculation of character in religous instruction, the forming of a healthy body through athletics, and finally in the essentials of core subjects.
TraditionalGuy, are you running for office ? Could you please define exactly what a "nation" is ? You seem to be using the post-Westphalian concept of the "nation-state"; please correct me if I am wrong.
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Also, mandatory schooling is a recent concept.
I think that it may have been a nineteenth century idea.
It breaks up family life.
As well as the fact that children need to be taught the Catholic Faith at home.
School is an artificial notion.
Before school, people used to grow in knowledge as they grew up.
School is used to fill young heads with bad ideas.
To de-christianize society.
To weaken the Family., etc.
Parents, homeschool your children.
It is worth it, for the sake of their souls.
While I agree our public schools nowadays aren't good for religious instruction or moral values the nation doing the schooling of the child is not a necessarily evil idea and public schools are the hallmark of a populist.
The education of children is a natural right of the parents of any given child; it cannot be interfered with through compulsory schooling without doing violence to the natural order and to the authority of the father. Compulsory education by the state is a crime.
Those in school should (obviously) be taught about the respect of one's own nation and national pride, at the same time the innoculation of character in religous instruction, the forming of a healthy body through athletics, and finally in the essentials of core subjects.
TraditionalGuy, are you running for office ? Could you please define exactly what a "nation" is ? You seem to be using the post-Westphalian concept of the "nation-state"; please correct me if I am wrong.
Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval) when it's required by law?
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Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval) when it's required by law?
Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.
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Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval) when it's required by law?
Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.
I'm not trying to press this to start a debate, this is something I am facing.
So is it morally wrong for parents to comply with it? That is my question. Is that what you mean by enforcing it?
I agree that the compulsory attendance laws are wrong. My issue is as a parent is it wrong for me to comply with the law requires me to basically seek approval each year.
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Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.
Hmm that's strange. I guess Franco's Spain did a crime then? Nationalism is the imbuing of patriotic pride into the young child. The nation and the child's own ethnicity and race should go beyond family ties. But I know I'm wasting my time here with an intellectual such as yourself who just babbles with that typical upper-class language and "analsyes" everything. That is why it is the man of action and fist, not the man of words and thoughts who win the day. It is better for the man to have a healthy body with strong character, rather than some over-educated intellectual. Of course the same goes for the woman.
But yet again only a nationalist and specifically one of the working-class can understand this notion. The intellectual such as yourself cannot understand anything at all about the nation, since you do believe in no nations at all, but globalism.
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TraditionalGuy, please answer the questions I asked in the first post of mine on this thread. I wrote, "TraditionalGuy, are you running for office ? Could you please define exactly what a "nation" is ? You seem to be using the post-Westphalian concept of the "nation-state"; please correct me if I am wrong."
I would appreciate it if you would actually address each separate sentence, since each of them either poses or implies a distinct question.
Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.
Hmm that's strange. I guess Franco's Spain did a crime then?
If it is true that Franco's Spain mandated compulsory education and did not allow schooling at home by the parents or somebody the parents trusted, or no formal schooling at all as the case might be, then yes, General Franco and those who supported his policies committed a crime against the natural law under the heading of injustice to the authority of the father and mother over their children. General Franco did many great things, but unfortunately he was not perfect. His centralisation of the government and disrespect for the ancient local charters (fueros) of the various nations that compose Spain would be another example of imperfection on his part. You should read and learn about these things.
Tell me, were the Carlists and General Zumalacárregui liberals, or are you the liberal for believing in the modern nation-state ?
Please actually look up the Carlists and the fueros before you write back. This is important for you to know about if you presume to speak publicly about the main players in Spanish both historically and today.
Nationalism is the imbuing of patriotic pride into the young child.
No, nationalism is an ideology that derives from the concept of the nation-state. Patriotism is the virtue of loving one's community and seeking the common good for it according to one's scale of duties, i.e., first one's family, then one's extended family, then one's neighbours, then one's local benefactors and friends, then one's greater region, then one's entire nation, all of which is presupposed by the assumption that one is bound to these people by blood and by them being like oneself, which may or may not be true according to one's circuмstances.
The nation and the child's own ethnicity and race should go beyond family ties.
Wrong. You have an immediate responsibility to your family first and foremost, to your parents and then your potential wife and children. Only after that do you have duties that pertain to your nation and then your country.
But I know I'm wasting my time here with an intellectual such as yourself who just babbles with that typical upper-class language and "analsyes" everything.
Apparently you have a chip on your shoulder about something. I didn't realise that you were such an avid proletarian struggling against the oppression of the classes. As I have not read very much of Marx and Engels, you may have to explain to me how a Catholic could sound so much like a Communist.
That is why it is the man of action and fist, not the man of words and thoughts who win the day.
Hopefully the man of action and fist will have thought about what he is fighting for before he does something rash or evil. Likewise, hopefully the man of thoughts and words will be led in the course of his thinking to take action. And I imagine that the man of thought and action will have more chances of becoming a military officer or statesman than the man of action alone.
I should clarify that ultimately you are wrong. Yes, the great turning points of history are great battles directed by great men who perform great things. But these turning points hinge on ideas and beliefs in the first place.
It is better for the man to have a healthy body with strong character, rather than some over-educated intellectual.
I completely agree, though it is certainly worse to have a healthy body with bad character and false beliefs than to have an unhealthy body and good character and true beliefs, don't you think ? Naturally, it would be best to have a healthy body, good character, and true beliefs
Of course the same goes for the woman.
Yes, certainly, though once again you seem to be lionising the lower class, as if all of its members have good character. Good people and bad people can be found in all classes and with varying levels of education and/or intelligence. But most are bad across the board.
But yet again only a nationalist and specifically one of the working-class can understand this notion.
More class warfare, eh ? Heavy stuff for a so-called pale-conservative Anglo-American. I wasn't aware that being part of the lower class gave people special knowledge of the dynamics of virtue. Tell me, were the Scholastic Doctors and Church Fathers just wasting their time reading and writing so much rather than going out to the quarries and dockyards to rally up the laborers for a putsch ? How come you spend so much time reading socialist literature (from which your rhetoric seems to have come) and so little time getting in street fights against drug dealers with your fellow squadristi ?
The intellectual such as yourself cannot understand anything at all about the nation
Apparently you don't even know what a nation is, since you haven't defined it.
...since you do believe in no nations at all, but globalism.
You seem to know hardly anything about me. That's okay. I will tell you that, actually, I do believe in nations and do not believe in globalism. I used to work in manual labour, too, around people who were almost completely uneducated in a region of people who are almost completely uneducated, something I knew before choosing that way of life. And these people are part of my own nation of Acadians, to whom I am happily bound by blood, history, character, and tradition. Our particular Gallo-Roman race is not known for our intellectual accomplishment so much as our simple and honest way of life, our preservation of Latin manhood and ancient Roman and Celtic customs, and our Catholic Faith. I am curious to know if you think that my zeal to defend and preserve all of these things against the corrupting influences of the US and international Judaeo-Masonic Communism is an example of my lack of belief in nations or my belief in nations. Which is it ?
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Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval) when it's required by law?
It depends whether or not the law is a just one. In the case of the state demanding that parents apply for permission to educate their own children, this is a case of the state interfering with the God-given rights of parents. It is an unjust law and so should NOT be obeyed.
We did all our homeschooling illegally as far as the state is concerned.
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Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval) when it's required by law?
Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.
I'm not trying to press this to start a debate, this is something I am facing.
So is it morally wrong for parents to comply with it? That is my question. Is that what you mean by enforcing it?
I agree that the compulsory attendance laws are wrong. My issue is as a parent is it wrong for me to comply with the law requires me to basically seek approval each year.
I see what you're saying. Sorry about that. I am not sure if complying is wrong or not, but my intuition is that Nadir is right, since compliance would seem to be co-operation with the injustice. On the other hand, I am not sure how to proceed if it seems probable that the government would then steal one's children, in which case non-compliance would lead to even more injustice. I know that we forbidden from doing something evil in the hope that some greater good may come from it, but I don't know how to apply that to this specific situation. Maybe SJB could help out here.
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Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval) when it's required by law?
Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.
I'm not trying to press this to start a debate, this is something I am facing.
So is it morally wrong for parents to comply with it? That is my question. Is that what you mean by enforcing it?
I agree that the compulsory attendance laws are wrong. My issue is as a parent is it wrong for me to comply with the law requires me to basically seek approval each year.
I see what you're saying. Sorry about that. I am not sure if complying is wrong or not, but my intuition is that Nadir is right, since compliance would seem to be co-operation with the injustice. On the other hand, I am not sure how to proceed if it seems probable that the government would then steal one's children, in which case non-compliance would lead to even more injustice. I know that we forbidden from doing something evil in the hope that some greater good may come from it, but I don't know how to apply that to this specific situation. Maybe SJB could help out here.
It is 10 years since our last child finished homeschooling and we are in Australia. Rarely families were interfered with by the state but it did happen.
We had the police visit us on one occasion. They were bound to by law in the state we were living at the time. We explained what we were doing and after that they left us alone. They were only doing their job, ie investigating.
However I am always amazed at the number of homeschoolers who comply with unjust expectations of the state when there is really no coercion being used. It is shocking the state of the ignorance of the rights of parents, and the non-rights of the state.
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If anyone knows about the legal right to homeschool, that would be very useful information to post on CathInfo.
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If anyone knows about the legal right to homeschool, that would be very useful information to post on CathInfo.
Through the sacrament of Matrimony parents have the responsibilty to educate their own children, and the grace to do it.
They may delegate that authority if they are unable to fulfill the requirements. They have the responsibility to delegate the authority to somebody who will educate them in the faith. Education is a waste of time if it is based on false creed/s, such as happens in almost all Church and state schools.
Parents also have the responsibilty to protect their children's purity and innocence, and this is impossible where so-called "life education" which goes under various names, abuses their innocence and interferes with their growth, and may drive them into a life of sin.
There are Vatican docuмents which spell this out which I cannot name right now. Maybe somebody else has them at their fingertips.
As far as state law goes, I believe that the law changes from state to state.
But God's law has supremacy. The rights of the parents stem from natural law, which is based on the natural order, as God created us.
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I believe the rules for Homeschooling vary by State. In Illinois, you must send a letter to the Local School District and the Regional Superintendent listing the name and age of the child(ren) and the fact that you will be homeschooling the child(ren). You must also list in what language you will be providing primary instruction. This is for a federal survey.
Homeschoolers in Illinois may request to take the ISTEP and Prairie State exams that the Feds require. The local districts like it because they usually do very well in every area but high school math.
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In Texas you do nothing. No keeping records, no taking tests, no filing with the school district.
I think the exception is that if your child was already in school, you have to let the school know that s/he won't be returning.
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In Texas you do nothing. No keeping records, no taking tests, no filing with the school district.
I think the exception is that if your child was already in school, you have to let the school know that s/he won't be returning.
It's like that in England too, in my experience anyhow.
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If anyone knows about the legal right to homeschool, that would be very useful information to post on CathInfo.
Check out the HSLDA. They understand what the UN is doing, how the UN laws eclipse State and federal laws.
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For your information, we attend one of the larger chapels in the U.S., and recently listened to a sermon on homeschooling by Father Duverge. After a very boring hour tirade (excused by Father's passion relating to his strong emotions) against homeschooling we were told that parents who homeschool should not receive absolution from their priests. Since our parish priest knows all of us "homeschoolers" and we have always received absolution, we still seem to be in good (or maybe good enough) standing.
I mentioned Father's name in case anyone would like to ask him personally, and see if his response is the same. I would imagine so.
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After a very boring hour tirade (excused by Father's passion relating to his strong emotions) against homeschooling we were told that parents who homeschool should not receive absolution from their priests.
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For your information, we attend one of the larger chapels in the U.S., and recently listened to a sermon on homeschooling by Father Duverge. After a very boring hour tirade (excused by Father's passion relating to his strong emotions) against homeschooling we were told that parents who homeschool should not receive absolution from their priests. Since our parish priest knows all of us "homeschoolers" and we have always received absolution, we still seem to be in good (or maybe good enough) standing.
I mentioned Father's name in case anyone would like to ask him personally, and see if his response is the same. I would imagine so.
This was in a trad chapel? I've heard of NO DRE or a priest requiring CCD or confirmation class but never a priest forbidding homeschooling. Can you share more what he said? There is something about parents who choose public schools not receiving absolution but homeschooling? ? ?
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...After a very boring hour tirade ... against homeschooling we were told that parents who homeschool should not receive absolution from their priests...
That is wicked.
That is so sinful.
It is VERY SINFUL for some character to advocate witholding ABSOLUTION from good Catholic parents who are homeschooling.
Homeschooling is obviously the best way to bring up good Catholic children, and to try to save their souls.
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Of course a parent who HAS to send their children to public schools should also not be withheld absolution. Let's not be elitist here.
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Legal right. The states all have their policies for home school. AZ is the most leniant (sp) state. Some parents will not let the government know that they are home schooling and I can't say that I blame them. The state laws recognize the parents as "the" educator. As long as the GED is there, go for it. Some parents may not like that idea, but what else are you going to do when the gov't is so rotten! I would even recommend a mid wife for delivering babies. there is also talk that businesses will be pentalized (sp) if they take on a home schooled youth for employment. I have not seen that yet here in AZ. I don't know if the GED will be taken away. The high schools have had curriculum that the home school youth would normally not get. The law may state that youth must have this curriculum or no diploma or work or college. Those are things to look into. Some public schools allow home school youth to take some courses that are offered. So, look into your state and see how things are and get in touch with a group that is on top of these issues. They will also recommend that you have a lawyer on the side for a fee, in case some one tries to report you/get nasty and call the CPS. I hate to say that as years go by, it gets worse.
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Tiffany,
That was one sermon I would rather forget about. Near the end I started to read the prayers from my missal in order to keep my perspective.
As my spouse said, "Sometimes you need to look deeper than what appears on the surface."
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For your information, we attend one of the larger chapels in the U.S., and recently listened to a sermon on homeschooling by Father Duverge. After a very boring hour tirade (excused by Father's passion relating to his strong emotions) against homeschooling we were told that parents who homeschool should not receive absolution from their priests. Since our parish priest knows all of us "homeschoolers" and we have always received absolution, we still seem to be in good (or maybe good enough) standing.
I mentioned Father's name in case anyone would like to ask him personally, and see if his response is the same. I would imagine so.
I've been away for a few days and just discovered this.
This is appalling!!! Parents have an ABSOLUTE right to educate their children. This comes from the Church and from God Himself! No priest can take that away from parents.
Just did a search and there seems to be two SSPX Fathers Duverger, Pierre and Loic. Whichever it is, he has no right whatsoever to make such a threat to hang over the heads of loving and responsible parents.
Some action ought to be taken, so that he no longer remains in his ignorance and interferes with the rights and unity of parents and their children. There is one thing that schools tend to do to families and that is to DIVIDE them, children against parents.
It seems to me that SSPX is not generally supportive of homeschooling. It seems that if they set up a school the faithful are expected to support it by sending their children to it. But the children do not necessarily come out Catholic.
Though I must say that when mine were young the sisters in Sydney sent us good books and moral support, at a distance of 3000 kms. They were most kind and supportive of our family.
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I just read this off of a blog ... an example of a state which requires you to jump through hoops in order to homeschool.
Pennsylvania:
http://www.elc-pa.org/pubs/downloads/english/oth-homeschooling%207-08.pdf
Only bright point in there was that your children have the right to participate in the local school's athletic or music programs.
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They even mandate vaccination! :cussing:
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They even mandate vaccination! :cussing:
They do "allow" parents to exempt out of vaccination based on religious beliefs.
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I have something to say that is distrubing and I forgot about it years ago. There was a state bill or fed. grant that I read and it stated that the public schools were going to give a curriculum over a 4 year period (high school). If an employee hired a young adult without this curriculum, they would be penalized $25,000. Now, my last home schooler got her GED and was hired with no problems in 2004. Now, I don't know if there is anyone else who have heard of this or has encountered any thing in this area. What I am reading and seeing, is we have laws in place for our rights as parents, but in the meantime, we are being blackmailed or mandated and forced into doing things we don't wish to do. Our rights are being tampered with. If you are employed and vaccines are mandated, even if the phrase of "religious exemption" is offered, you are told that your name is on a list and corrective actions can take place. Under that definition is be fired. If you read under Dr. Mercola and under vaccines the last news, it is there and who is behind it, Gates of course. Who wants to eliminate people, Gates. I would still home school my children even in these times and circuмstances. We must fight for the salvation of our souls, number one. For those that home school, check out your state to see how soon (age) that one can take a GED. The sooner the better. And continue to home school. I don't know when this idea will be implemented but it is plan to see how we are losing our freedoms.