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Offline Sede Catholic

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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2012, 07:02:41 PM »
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  • You are right.
    The reversal of the roles is obvious.
    Men and women are blurred now.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
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    « Reply #16 on: September 15, 2012, 07:16:39 PM »
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  • There is a very good book for parents who want to homeschool their sons.
    Although it is actually great for ANY parents of boys.

    It is called “The Broadstone of Honour” by Kenelm Henry Digby.

    The reality of what constitutes true Catholic manliness has been obscured in this day and age.
    This book shows what it is.

    Kenelm Henry Digby wrote it when he was a protestant. Then he converted to Catholicism, and he re-wrote the book as a Catholic.

    The Catholic edition is A.D. 1826-1827. And the later editions are also Catholic.

    There is an abridged version called “Maxims of Christian Chivalry”. A.D.1926. (Published posthumously.)

    Parents, give these books to your sons when they are about seven years old.
    They will really help to form good Catholic manly character in your sons.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
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    « Reply #17 on: September 15, 2012, 07:21:24 PM »
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  • It is a book about chivalry, with examples from Catholic history.
    Spanish heroes from the middle ages, that sort of thing.
    Fantastic.
    I really cannot recommend this book too highly.
    The abridged version is a cheap paperback.
    So buying it is easy.
    And it is permeated with a Catholic spirit.

    I would strongly advise any parent to buy it for their son.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #18 on: September 15, 2012, 07:24:34 PM »
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  • It will help to form true Catholic manly character in your sons.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #19 on: September 17, 2012, 09:12:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: Sede Catholic
    It is a book about chivalry, with examples from Catholic history.
    Spanish heroes from the middle ages, that sort of thing.
    Fantastic.
    I really cannot recommend this book too highly.
    The abridged version is a cheap paperback.
    So buying it is easy.
    And it is permeated with a Catholic spirit.

    I would strongly advise any parent to buy it for their son.


    Thank you Sede! I ordered this from the library yesterday. I hope they can locate it.


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    « Reply #20 on: September 17, 2012, 10:45:13 AM »
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    Also, mandatory schooling is a recent concept.
    I think that it may have been a nineteenth century idea.
    It breaks up family life.
    As well as the fact that children need to be taught the Catholic Faith at home.

    School is an artificial notion.
    Before school, people used to grow in knowledge as they grew up.
    School is used to fill young heads with bad ideas.
    To de-christianize society.
    To weaken the Family., etc.

    Parents, homeschool your children.
    It is worth it, for the sake of their souls.


    While I agree our public schools nowadays aren't good for religious instruction or moral values the nation doing the schooling of the child is not a necessarily evil idea and public schools are the hallmark of a populist.


    The education of children is a natural right of the parents of any given child; it cannot be interfered with through compulsory schooling without doing violence to the natural order and to the authority of the father.  Compulsory education by the state is a crime.

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    Those in school should (obviously) be taught about the respect of one's own nation and national pride, at the same time the innoculation of character in religous instruction, the forming of a healthy body through athletics, and finally in the essentials of core subjects.


    TraditionalGuy, are you running for office ?  Could you please define exactly what a "nation" is ?  You seem to be using the post-Westphalian concept of the "nation-state"; please correct me if I am wrong.

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    « Reply #21 on: September 17, 2012, 10:51:31 AM »
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    Also, mandatory schooling is a recent concept.
    I think that it may have been a nineteenth century idea.
    It breaks up family life.
    As well as the fact that children need to be taught the Catholic Faith at home.

    School is an artificial notion.
    Before school, people used to grow in knowledge as they grew up.
    School is used to fill young heads with bad ideas.
    To de-christianize society.
    To weaken the Family., etc.

    Parents, homeschool your children.
    It is worth it, for the sake of their souls.


    While I agree our public schools nowadays aren't good for religious instruction or moral values the nation doing the schooling of the child is not a necessarily evil idea and public schools are the hallmark of a populist.


    The education of children is a natural right of the parents of any given child; it cannot be interfered with through compulsory schooling without doing violence to the natural order and to the authority of the father.  Compulsory education by the state is a crime.

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    Those in school should (obviously) be taught about the respect of one's own nation and national pride, at the same time the innoculation of character in religous instruction, the forming of a healthy body through athletics, and finally in the essentials of core subjects.


    TraditionalGuy, are you running for office ?  Could you please define exactly what a "nation" is ?  You seem to be using the post-Westphalian concept of the "nation-state"; please correct me if I am wrong.



    Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval)  when it's required by law?

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    « Reply #22 on: September 17, 2012, 12:04:30 PM »
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    Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval)  when it's required by law?


    Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.


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    « Reply #23 on: September 17, 2012, 12:18:43 PM »
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    Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval)  when it's required by law?


    Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.


    I'm not trying to press this to start a debate,  this is something I am facing.

    So is it morally wrong for parents to comply with it? That is my question. Is that what you mean by enforcing it?

    I agree that the compulsory attendance laws are wrong. My issue is as a parent is it wrong for me to comply with the law requires me to basically seek approval each year.

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    « Reply #24 on: September 17, 2012, 12:26:52 PM »
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    Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.


    Hmm that's strange. I guess Franco's Spain did a crime then? Nationalism is the imbuing of patriotic pride into the young child. The nation and the child's own ethnicity and race should go beyond family ties. But I know I'm wasting my time here with an intellectual such as yourself who just babbles with that typical upper-class language and "analsyes" everything. That is why it is the man of action and fist, not the man of words and thoughts who win the day. It is better for the man to have a healthy body with strong character, rather than some over-educated intellectual. Of course the same goes for the woman.

    But yet again only a nationalist and specifically one of the working-class can understand this notion. The intellectual such as yourself cannot understand anything at all about the nation, since you do believe in no nations at all, but globalism.

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    « Reply #25 on: September 17, 2012, 03:47:23 PM »
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  • TraditionalGuy, please answer the questions I asked in the first post of mine on this thread.  I wrote, "TraditionalGuy, are you running for office ?  Could you please define exactly what a "nation" is ?  You seem to be using the post-Westphalian concept of the "nation-state"; please correct me if I am wrong."

    I would appreciate it if you would actually address each separate sentence, since each of them either poses or implies a distinct question.


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    Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.


    Hmm that's strange. I guess Franco's Spain did a crime then?


    If it is true that Franco's Spain mandated compulsory education and did not allow schooling at home by the parents or somebody the parents trusted, or no formal schooling at all as the case might be, then yes, General Franco and those who supported his policies committed a crime against the natural law under the heading of injustice to the authority of the father and mother over their children.  General Franco did many great things, but unfortunately he was not perfect.  His centralisation of the government and disrespect for the ancient local charters (fueros) of the various nations that compose Spain would be another example of imperfection on his part.  You should read and learn about these things.

    Tell me, were the Carlists and General Zumalacárregui liberals, or are you the liberal for believing in the modern nation-state ?

    Please actually look up the Carlists and the fueros before you write back.  This is important for you to know about if you presume to speak publicly about the main players in Spanish both historically and today.

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    Nationalism is the imbuing of patriotic pride into the young child.


    No, nationalism is an ideology that derives from the concept of the nation-state.  Patriotism is the virtue of loving one's community and seeking the common good for it according to one's scale of duties, i.e., first one's family, then one's extended family, then one's neighbours, then one's local benefactors and friends, then one's greater region, then one's entire nation, all of which is presupposed by the assumption that one is bound to these people by blood and by them being like oneself, which may or may not be true according to one's circuмstances.

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    The nation and the child's own ethnicity and race should go beyond family ties.


    Wrong.  You have an immediate responsibility to your family first and foremost, to your parents and then your potential wife and children.  Only after that do you have duties that pertain to your nation and then your country.

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    But I know I'm wasting my time here with an intellectual such as yourself who just babbles with that typical upper-class language and "analsyes" everything.


    Apparently you have a chip on your shoulder about something.  I didn't realise that you were such an avid proletarian struggling against the oppression of the classes.  As I have not read very much of Marx and Engels, you may have to explain to me how a Catholic could sound so much like a Communist.

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    That is why it is the man of action and fist, not the man of words and thoughts who win the day.


    Hopefully the man of action and fist will have thought about what he is fighting for before he does something rash or evil.  Likewise, hopefully the man of thoughts and words will be led in the course of his thinking to take action.  And I imagine that the man of thought and action will have more chances of becoming a military officer or statesman than the man of action alone.  

    I should clarify that ultimately you are wrong.  Yes, the great turning points of history are great battles directed by great men who perform great things.  But these turning points hinge on ideas and beliefs in the first place.

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    It is better for the man to have a healthy body with strong character, rather than some over-educated intellectual.


    I completely agree, though it is certainly worse to have a healthy body with bad character and false beliefs than to have an unhealthy body and good character and true beliefs, don't you think ?  Naturally, it would be best to have a healthy body, good character, and true beliefs

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    Of course the same goes for the woman.


    Yes, certainly, though once again you seem to be lionising the lower class, as if all of its members have good character.  Good people and bad people can be found in all classes and with varying levels of education and/or intelligence.  But most are bad across the board.

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    But yet again only a nationalist and specifically one of the working-class can understand this notion.


    More class warfare, eh ?  Heavy stuff for a so-called pale-conservative Anglo-American.  I wasn't aware that being part of the lower class gave people special knowledge of the dynamics of virtue.  Tell me, were the Scholastic Doctors and Church Fathers just wasting their time reading and writing so much rather than going out to the quarries and dockyards to rally up the laborers for a putsch ?  How come you spend so much time reading socialist literature (from which your rhetoric seems to have come) and so little time getting in street fights against drug dealers with your fellow squadristi ?

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    The intellectual such as yourself cannot understand anything at all about the nation


    Apparently you don't even know what a nation is, since you haven't defined it.

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    ...since you do believe in no nations at all, but globalism.


    You seem to know hardly anything about me.  That's okay.  I will tell you that, actually, I do believe in nations and do not believe in globalism.  I used to work in manual labour, too, around people who were almost completely uneducated in a region of people who are almost completely uneducated, something I knew before choosing that way of life.  And these people are part of my own nation of Acadians, to whom I am happily bound by blood, history, character, and tradition.  Our particular Gallo-Roman race is not known for our intellectual accomplishment so much as our simple and honest way of life, our preservation of Latin manhood and ancient Roman and Celtic customs, and our Catholic Faith.  I am curious to know if you think that my zeal to defend and preserve all of these things against the corrupting influences of the US and international Judaeo-Masonic Communism is an example of my lack of belief in nations or my belief in nations.  Which is it ?


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    « Reply #26 on: September 17, 2012, 04:55:51 PM »
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    Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval)  when it's required by law?


    It depends whether or not the law is a just one. In the case of the state demanding that parents apply for permission to educate their own children, this is a case of the state interfering with the God-given rights of parents. It is an unjust law and so should NOT be obeyed.

    We did all our homeschooling illegally as far as the state is concerned.

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    « Reply #27 on: September 17, 2012, 05:04:52 PM »
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    Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval)  when it's required by law?


    Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.


    I'm not trying to press this to start a debate,  this is something I am facing.

    So is it morally wrong for parents to comply with it? That is my question. Is that what you mean by enforcing it?

    I agree that the compulsory attendance laws are wrong. My issue is as a parent is it wrong for me to comply with the law requires me to basically seek approval each year.


    I see what you're saying.  Sorry about that.  I am not sure if complying is wrong or not, but my intuition is that Nadir is right, since compliance would seem to be co-operation with the injustice.  On the other hand, I am not sure how to proceed if it seems probable that the government would then steal one's children, in which case non-compliance would lead to even more injustice.  I know that we forbidden from doing something evil in the hope that some greater good may come from it, but I don't know how to apply that to this specific situation.  Maybe SJB could help out here.

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    « Reply #28 on: September 17, 2012, 05:53:59 PM »
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    Is it a moral wrong for parents to comply with the law (for example ask the state's permission and get their approval)  when it's required by law?


    Yes, it is morally wrong to enforce an unjust law, which compulsory "education" is.


    I'm not trying to press this to start a debate,  this is something I am facing.

    So is it morally wrong for parents to comply with it? That is my question. Is that what you mean by enforcing it?

    I agree that the compulsory attendance laws are wrong. My issue is as a parent is it wrong for me to comply with the law requires me to basically seek approval each year.


    I see what you're saying.  Sorry about that.  I am not sure if complying is wrong or not, but my intuition is that Nadir is right, since compliance would seem to be co-operation with the injustice.  On the other hand, I am not sure how to proceed if it seems probable that the government would then steal one's children, in which case non-compliance would lead to even more injustice.  I know that we forbidden from doing something evil in the hope that some greater good may come from it, but I don't know how to apply that to this specific situation.  Maybe SJB could help out here.


    It is 10 years since our last child finished homeschooling and we are in Australia. Rarely families were interfered with by the state but it did happen.

    We had the police visit us on one occasion. They were bound to by law in the state we were living at the time. We explained what we were doing and after that they left us alone. They were only doing their job, ie investigating.

    However I am always amazed at the number of homeschoolers who comply with unjust expectations of the state when there is really no coercion being used. It is shocking the state of the ignorance of the rights of parents, and the non-rights of the state.
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    « Reply #29 on: September 17, 2012, 08:18:13 PM »
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  • If anyone knows about the legal right to homeschool, that would be very useful information to post on CathInfo.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV