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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Vladimir on May 22, 2012, 10:12:00 AM
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Do home-schooled children suffer from any negative discrimination when it comes to college applications?
Is it difficult to keep the children educated in math and science at a level comparable to their public school peers?
What about children that attend private school at traditional chapels?
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I don't know much about private schools, but homeschooled children are actually at an advantage when it comes to college because they can do dual-enrollment, meaning they can take college courses while they're still in high school.
As to your second question, not at all. It's probably easier to keep them educated in those subjects through homeschooling rather than in government school.
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No disadvantage if the right steps are taken during high school.
1) there are accredited catholic home schools, their transcript is the same as PS 101 or private school
2)homeschooling is common enough that even a mom transcript is accepted as long as test scores back them up
3) there are enough co-ops, online classes and dual credit classes that higher level math and science really aren't an issue.
Re: dual credit...dual credit isn't something only homeschoolers can do. Public school kids have access and in our area more access as the public schoolers can take dual credit for free and homeschoolers have to pay.
My two oldest took advntage of dual credit but it will be unaffordable for the eat of them at $300/credit.
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Do home-schooled children suffer from any negative discrimination when it comes to college applications?
Is it difficult to keep the children educated in math and science at a level comparable to their public school peers?
What about children that attend private school at traditional chapels?
It would appear that the Ivies took a lot of trads many years ago, compared to Novus Ordoites, probably because they wanted to subvert Trad-dom.
I know orientals highly esteem prestigious universities. Traditional Catholics, however, shouldn't worry about it.
Judging by the results of a simple history test Harvard students took a few years back, they're not getting a solid education:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2007-09-17-history-test_N.htm
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I would have missed out on an education on being bullied and sɛҳuąƖly abused by classmates if I was home schooled.
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I would have missed out on an education on being bullied and sɛҳuąƖly abused by classmates if I was home schooled.
You have to ask yourself if you can trust SSPX schools if Bishop Fellay puts some guy like Krah on the board of one.
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I would have missed out on an education on being bullied and sɛҳuąƖly abused by classmates if I was home schooled.
In addition to lousy instruction, outright propaganda and abysmal moral examples, there is also plenty of bullying.
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I would have missed out on an education on being bullied and sɛҳuąƖly abused by classmates if I was home schooled.
You have to ask yourself if you can trust SSPX schools if Bishop Fellay puts some guy like Krah on the board of one.
My community is not wealthy enough to attract the SSPX.
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We home schooled 3 or our 4 children. They just took a GED test and went on. No problem. And they are out in the world doing just fine! One supervises supply in a major hospital and the other drives a rig for a major trucking firm. The other is pursuing RN and continues as a CNA til then.
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Do home-schooled children suffer from any negative discrimination when it comes to college applications?
Is it difficult to keep the children educated in math and science at a level comparable to their public school peers?
What about children that attend private school at traditional chapels?
It would appear that the Ivies took a lot of trads many years ago, compared to Novus Ordoites, probably because they wanted to subvert Trad-dom.
I know orientals highly esteem prestigious universities. Traditional Catholics, however, shouldn't worry about it.
Judging by the results of a simple history test Harvard students took a few years back, they're not getting a solid education:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2007-09-17-history-test_N.htm
That is hardly surprising. (The quality of education at the famous universities)
Famous universities seem to be good sources of highly specialized areas of study, much of which seems to be unavailable elsewhere. Unfortunately, it seems like the people in charge are more concerned with having you jump through their loops before you can study what you want.
I guess related to the question is how do you give your children a good education (home-schooled) if you aren't good in certain areas, like math? Hire tutors? Online courses?
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Do home-schooled children suffer from any negative discrimination when it comes to college applications?
We have a 10th grader who is looking at colleges. We have been to visit a few places, private Catholic and non-Catholic and public. All of them are very open to homeschool students. Some of them, in fact, voice a preference for homeschooled students because they have better study skills than their public school counterparts. Homeschool students are often very goal oriented and are more well rounded.
Is it difficult to keep the children educated in math and science at a level comparable to their public school peers?
Our 5th grader is one year ahead of his peers in math and he is studying science that he is actually interested in. When we pulled him out of public school in 3rd grade, he was still doing simple addition problems. He was being timed in math problems, so he could do them really fast in order to pass their tests. However, he was incredibly bored. When we started homeschool, we enrolled him in a math grade ahead and he caught on really quickly. This year he is doing well. He will probably be ready for algebra by 7th grade.
On the other hand, our 10th grader, who was in public school through 9th grade has struggled with geometry since day one---it's taken him over a year to grasp the concepts. And this was an "advanced" math student in high school.
We have had the same experience with science. Our 10th grader struggled through chemistry. He probably couldn't tell you anything useful about it. Yet he was a "super" public school student.
Our 5th grader chose his curriculum this year---flying creatures---he has learned so much. A lot more than he would have learned in public school.
Science in public school is pure propaganda so your children will be convinced of evolution and the non-superiority of humans.
What about children that attend private school at traditional chapels?
I don't know any children, personally, who attend an SSPX school. I do know of a few families who have moved to be near the SSPX school for their children. However, I do not know what their education is like.
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I guess related to the question is how do you give your children a good education (home-schooled) if you aren't good in certain areas, like math? Hire tutors? Online courses?
Yes, I think so. An ideal situation is when homeschool parents collaborate.
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It is difficult to match the laboratory resources of institutional schooling. In every other respect homeschooling far exceeds institutional schooling.
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Thank you everyone for your feedback.
It seems like homeschooling could be very efficient if the proper resources were available - a substantial library in the home and being close to a large public library system. Through in a piano and a big backyard or a public park and it looks like the children could get a good education and be well-rounded.
I guess another question is - how does this work if the father is the one with more education and is more qualified to teach the children than the mother and the father has to work all day? Teach in the evenings?
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It is difficult to match the laboratory resources of institutional schooling.
This is a very narrow of perspective on science. No offense Diego, but the whole world, and smaller parts of it, is a science laboratory... the kitchen, the garden, the farmyard, the night sky......
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I guess another question is - how does this work if the father is the one with more education and is more qualified to teach the children than the mother and the father has to work all day? Teach in the evenings?
I suppose it depends what you mean by qualified, Vladimir.
My own experience is that one does not need to be "qualified" (in the formal sense) to teach. In fact I believe that being "qualified" can be an impediment, as "qualified teachers" have often been brainwashed and thus forced to follow the "right" way. Many of the teachers I know have a very limited perspective on life. After all, many go from the classroom as student to the classroom as teacher with little other experience of life.
In a sense being a mother one is a natural teacher. You just continue to do what you did for your child from infancy, adapting yourself to the needs of the child/ren at their various ages.
Just because the father "is the one with more education and is more qualified to teach the children than the mother" does not mean that the mother will not be able to do an adequate job of educating their children.
" and the father has to work all day? Teach in the evenings?"
Education continues in the home while ever the educators and educatees are awake. Although regular school hours CAN be a guide, they may not necessarily suit the family. That is one of the beauties of Home Education. It revolves around the family.
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Ah, I didn't mean qualifed in the sense that one holds a credential or whatever.
For example, if all the mother can really teach - from a purely academic perspective that is - is the basics of reading, writing, and a little arithmetic, whereas the father is well-schooled in the language arts, etc when will they have time to teach the children.
However, I see that I've answered my own question and the more one thinks about it, the more beautiful homeschooling seems.
The way it revolves around the family seems very natural.
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For example, if all the mother can really teach - from a purely academic perspective that is - is the basics of reading, writing, and a little arithmetic,
My experience is that that is all that is necessary. Our three, once they had "the basics of reading, writing, and a little arithmetic", were well equipped to study fairly indepenently, each following their own particular pursuits and talents.
whereas the father is well-schooled in the language arts, etc when will they have time to teach the children.
The first words that our first son heard, seconds after his birth, were those of his father, in his own languare which is not English. Since then our son has studied ancient and modern languages at University level.
However, I see that I've answered my own question and the more one thinks about it, the more beautiful homeschooling seems.
The way it revolves around the family seems very natural.
Got it in one!! The grace of the Sacrament of Marriage is a big part of it. Marriage is for the procreation and EDUCATION of our children.
Sadly the SSPX have a very negative view of Home Schooling. This affects many SSPX homeschoolers here and they seem to think of it as something you must do if you don't live near a SSPX school. Seems a real shame.
What is most needed is encouragement to parents (and support for mothers) to discover that, with the Grace of God through the Sacrament of Marriage, they can do it (in most cases).
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Do home-schooled children suffer from any negative discrimination when it comes to college applications?
Is it difficult to keep the children educated in math and science at a level comparable to their public school peers?
What about children that attend private school at traditional chapels?
Good question but the answer is irrelevant when considering the alternative is putting their souls in peril by sending them to a public, Novus Ordo school.
From my perspective even a traditional "R & R" school that would confuse them on the root cause of the apostacy unleashed upon us which is the Papal issue.
"Mommy and daddy say this, teachers say that, maybe I'll become a Hindu."