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Offline Matto

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Hikikomori
« on: June 02, 2019, 08:12:36 PM »
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  • I am not optimistic about American society's future. Thinking about Japan, though I must say I am not a genious and only have ideas and fears. I have the feeling that within our lifetime nearly all young men in America will become herbivore men with a large percentage being hikikomori. The women will not mind because they are conformists and they will share a small percentage of attractive men in harems, but most men will have no stake in society and will burn society to the ground.
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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #1 on: June 02, 2019, 08:42:21 PM »
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  • Hikikomori

    In Japan, are reclusive adolescents or adults who withdraw from social life, often seeking extreme degrees of isolation and confinement. Hikikomori refers to both the phenomenon in general and the recluses themselves. Hikikomori have been described as loners or "modern-day hermits". Estimates suggest that nearly half a million Japanese youth have become social recluses.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #2 on: June 03, 2019, 05:54:03 PM »
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  • We have hikikikomori in the US.  They are the 35 year old boy-men living in their mother's basement.  Instead of giving them a special name so as to save face to preserve family honor, we call them bums, losers, leeches.  Either way, it spells disaster for society when its men reject their God-given role to be leaders.  How would this behavior have been regarded on either side during WWII?  My guess is that there'd be no sympathy. These guys would either man up or they'd go to jail where they'd not last long.

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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #3 on: June 03, 2019, 06:51:29 PM »
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  • Yes, I've diagnosed several cases, where American, trad men turned Hikikomori after being bullied by domineering women.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #4 on: June 03, 2019, 07:26:02 PM »
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  • I tend to blame women more than men as they have more power in sɛҳuąƖ matters than men do in the modern world (not counting rape). But it is a societal disease. Seraphina, your response is something I would expect from a reddit r/pol moderator, so it is not worth considering seriously, especially considering what you say about men in jail and not lasting long. From a woman that is like a man saying "it does not count as rape if you enjoy it." And "man up?" don't you know that is a meme and an embarrassment to any respectable person? But honestly I find our future to be bleak. Monogamy is dead. And with monogamy dead civilization will be dead soon. I guess I am a doomer.
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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #5 on: June 05, 2019, 07:37:10 PM »
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  • Time to reveal how out of step I am with technology!  What is "Reddit" and what, exactly, is a "meme?"  Sorry if I inadvertently offended anyone. 

    I've read a few articles about hikikikomori. They are mainly adolescent males who stress out, retreat, and discover they enjoy holing up in their bedrooms with the internet and video games.  Having their mothers continue to cook and do laundry for them is an added bonus.  I can understand a person burning out under stress and retreating, but to make it a lifestyle is not good.  What happens when the parents get old and die?  


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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #6 on: June 05, 2019, 08:02:10 PM »
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  • with the internet and video games.  
    I think this is a big factor fueling this phenomenon. If a rectangular screen didn't provide such endless entertainment, they might find more reasons to go out.
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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #7 on: June 05, 2019, 08:09:22 PM »
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  • I think this is a big factor fueling this phenomenon. If a rectangular screen didn't provide such endless entertainment, they might find more reasons to go out.

    It's mostly a reaction to the extreme work-a-holic traditional Japanese culture.  These men realize that they would rather work in order to live than live in order to work.  Some of them will get enough work to sustain them in a simple existence and then quit until they need money again.  What's the point of working, if they are under pressure and stress and have miserable lives ... so they reason.


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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #8 on: June 05, 2019, 08:13:19 PM »
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  • It's mostly a reaction to the extreme work-a-holic traditional Japanese culture.  These men realize that they would rather work in order to live than live in order to work.  Some of them will get enough work to sustain them in a simple existence and then quit until they need money again.  What's the point of working, if they are under pressure and stress and have miserable lives ... so they reason.
    That would seem quite reasonable to me and if it's indeed the case, the things I've seen about Hikikomori have not done justice to these men. Whatever I watched (sorry, I have no idea what program it was) showed them to be unreasonably reclusive -- sometimes refusing to emerge at all from their room.
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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #9 on: June 05, 2019, 08:21:03 PM »
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  • That would seem quite reasonable to me and if it's indeed the case, the things I've seen about Hikikomori have not done justice to these men. Whatever I watched (sorry, I have no idea what program it was) showed them to be unreasonably reclusive -- sometimes refusing to emerge at all from their room.

    That's likely the extreme to which their original reaction led.  People often overreact to one extreme by going to the opposite extreme.

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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #10 on: June 05, 2019, 08:26:28 PM »
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  • From Wikipedia:

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    Young adults may feel overwhelmed by modern Japanese society, or be unable to fulfill their expected social roles as they have not yet formulated a sense of personal honne and tatemae – one's "true self" and one's "public façade" – necessary to cope with the paradoxes of adulthood.  The dominant nexus of hikikomori centres on the transformation from youth to the responsibilities and expectations of adult life. Indications are that advanced industrialized societies such as modern Japan fail to provide sufficient meaningful transformation rituals for promoting certain susceptible types of youth into mature roles. As do many societies, Japan exerts a great deal of pressure on adolescents to be successful and perpetuate the existing social status quo. A traditionally strong emphasis on complex social conduct, rigid hierarchies and the resulting, potentially intimidating multitude of social expectations, responsibilities and duties in Japanese society contribute to this pressure on young adults.[21] Historically, Confucian teachings de-emphasizing the individual and favouring a conformist stance to ensure social harmony in a rigidly hierarchized society have shaped much of East Asia, possibly explaining the emergence of the hikikomori phenomenon in other East Asian countries.


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    Re: Hikikomori
    « Reply #11 on: June 06, 2019, 12:37:20 AM »
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    Either way, it spells disaster for society when its men reject their God-given role to be leaders.
    Slightly off topic, but everyone complains nowadays about a lack of leadership in men, yet no one admits that American society directly counteracts most leadership qualities - it abhors independent Action, it assails most creative ideas to problems (outside of money making ventures), and it promotes the spirit of individuality and subjectivism in truth.  These errors are uniquely an American blend of toxic thinking.  Our society is almost anti-leadership in mindset.  You can’t lead those who won’t follow.  How could anyone lead a bunch of crazed, prideful, emotional feminists?  How can you lead a bunch of whiny, know-it-all millennials?  How can you lead the spoiled, self-centered baby boomers?  Or the disenfranchised, drugged-out, there-is-no-hope poor?  Only a miracle can save our country.