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Hell exists and we might go there!
« on: July 15, 2017, 09:06:38 AM »
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    Hell Exists 
    And We Might Go There
    This article is based on a talk given by Fr. Marcel Nault at the Fatima Bishops Conference.
    When I am invited to preach, I remember the words of Christ: "the Holy Spirit will speak in you and through you." And when I think about the Apostles, I do not imagine them going from town to town with their computer, their microphones, their recording machine, their filing cabinet. They go and they let the Holy Spirit speak. Because it is the Holy Spirit that changes the heart of sinners, I put all my trust in the wisdom and the strength of the Holy Spirit. 
    I preach everywhere the message of Our Lady of Fatima. What will I preach? I preach what I think is the most important. I preach what is the most important teachings of Our Lord Jesus and when Jesus Christ came on earth, He came for one reason, to save souls from Hell. 
    St. John Chrysostom, a beloved Father of the Church, used to say and repeat that the Lord Jesus preached more often on the Catholic Dogma of Hell than any other subject. 
    Some people say it is better to preach on Heaven. I believe that the more a person meditates on that truth which we call Hell, the more that meditation produces many fruits of conversion. 
    St. Benedict, the founder of the Benedictines, was in Rome and the Holy Spirit told him, "You are going to lose your soul." He left Rome and he went into solitude to meditate on the Holy Gospel. He meditated, prayed and did penance, and the Holy Spirit spread the word and people flocked to him. Holiness attracts souls. 
    Why do you think St. Augustine changed his life? Because of the fear of Hell. I preach often on Hell because the Lord Jesus and Our Blessed Mother asked me to preach on Hell and when I preach on Hell, you feel, you know, that I believe in the reality that we call a Roman Catholic Dogma, Hell. 
    Pope Pius IX, who gave us the Roman Catholic Dogma on the Immaculate Conception; Pope Pius IX, who has given us the Syllabus, used to preach and ask preachers to please, please, preach more often on Hell.
    The thought of Hell makes saints. Curiously, saints are afraid to go to Hell. The Curé of Ars was afraid to go to Hell. St. Therese of the Infant Jesus was afraid to go to Hell. Saint Simon Stock, the Superior General of the Carmel priests, said that his monks were even afraid to go to Hell despite the fact that they were fasting, praying and living out of the world. 
    Mary, Our Lady of Mount Carmel, appeared to Saint Simon Stock and told him: Don't be afraid anymore, I'm giving you Carmelites a special vestment; all those who will die wearing that vestment will not go to Hell
    I wear the Brown Scapular inside my vestment, and I have another one in my pocket because I never know when people will ask me to preach, and when I preach, I preach the Holy Rosary and the Brown Scapular. 
    Mary said, "Through the Rosary and Scapular I will save the world."
    One cannot specialize and preach everything, but the Lord Jesus invited me to preach on Hell. A monsignor said to me, "Marcel, don't preach on Hell. People don't like that, you scare them." And in a very friendly way that Monsignor said to me, "Marcel, I have never preached on Hell and look at the position I have. I will never preach on Hell." 
    After a long silence, I looked him in the eye and said, "Monsignor, you are on the road to Hell for all eternity. You preach, Monsignor, to please the crowd, instead of preaching to please Christ." 
    When God sent prophets in the Old Testament, it was to remind the people to come back to the truth, to come back to holiness. Jesus came, Jesus preached. He sent His Apostles into the world to preach the Holy Gospel. 
    The serpent came and spread his poisons of heresy, and the Lord Jesus decided to send His Beloved Mother, the Queen of Prophets, to earth to destroy heresies. And it is written by the Fathers of the Church that the Mother of God is the hammer of all heresies. 
    On July 13, 1917, Mary came to Fatima as a prophet of The Most High to save souls from Hell. Our Lady lowered Her hands and suddenly, the three children saw a hole in the ground. 
    That hole, says Lucy, was like a sea of fire in which she saw the forms of humans, men and women, shouting and crying in despair. And she saw demons in the forms of ugly animals. The vision was so horrible that the children feared that they would die from fright. 
    And Mary said to the three children, "You have seen Hell where the souls of poor sinners go." 
    Each time you say the Rosary, my children, do say after each decade, "O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Marcy." 
    Mary came to Fatima to save souls from Hell. The Curé of Ars, the patron of all parish priests, used to preach that the greatest act of charity towards your neighbor is to save souls from Hell. One day when he was hearing confession in a little church, the devil, in the form of a man, raged and screamed, "I hate you. I hate you because you stole from my hand 85,000 souls." 
    You Excellencies, Cardinals and we priests, when we come to the judgment, Jesus will ask one question. "I made you a priest, a bishop, a cardinal, a pope. How many souls have you saved? How many souls have you saved from Hell?" 
    The Curé of Ars saved more than 85,000 sinners. How many souls have we saved? When you read the Fathers of the Church, the Doctors of the Church, the Saints, you are struck by one thing: they all preach the Holy gospel of Jesus; Heaven, Purgatory, and they never fail to preach on the Roman Catholic Dogma of Hell. 
    Read the Fathers of the Church, the Doctors of the Church, all those priests, magnificent apostles of Jesus Christ. They all preach on the Catholic Dogma of Hell because when we meditate on Hell we become a saint. 
    I don't want to criticize the bishops, but it is sad for me to say that in my thirty years of priesthood I have never heard a bishop, my bishops or any other bishop, preach on the Roman Catholic Dogma of Hell. I suppose in India and elsewhere they do, but in America, we don't preach on Hell.
    Preach to save souls not to please
    In many dioceses I have often heard bishops recite the Rosary, but they decline to add the little Fatima prayer after each decade because "the people don't like that." 
    We are not there preaching to please the crowd but to save souls, to prevent them from going to Hell for all eternity. And I think the little prayer of Our Lady of Fatima given to the children on July 13, 1917, is more powerful and more pleasing to God than any kind of meditation. The meditations that we priests write down and pronounce, they might be nice, but after each decade do you know a meditation more powerful, more holy than the prayer given by Our Lady of Fatima? Please, after each decade, do recite it. 
    I preach often on Hell. My friends, you have received your catechism, you have received your gifts from God. For me, Jesus wants me, Jesus asks me, Jesus begs me, Our Lady of Fatima begs me to preach Hell. 
    There are many revelations that we can read in the holy books and some souls in Hell have spoken, given the privilege by God, to help us in our faith. And those souls in Hell say, "We could accept to be in Hell a thousand years. We could accept to be in Hell a million years, if we knew that one day we would leave Hell." 
    But no, my friends, we must meditate, not only on the pre-destination of seeing God in Heaven, we must also meditate on the eternity of Hell. I heard a priest in the charismatic conference with about 10,000 laypeople and 300 priests present. He was preaching, "My friends, God is love, God is mercy and you will see His Infinite Mercy at the end of the world, delivering souls from Hell." 
    What heresy! Yet his bishop did not remove his faculties, and he was allowed to continue to preach such heresy. With our little human intelligence we make a little "philosophic reasoning". God is love, God is our Father. How can a loving Father take His little Peter and throw him in to the furnace of Hell? Why that would be an insult to God, Who is love.
    How many times have you heard that hypocrisy? My friends, Hell exists. Hell is eternal. I can go into Hell. You can go into Hell. And if God had called me to my eternal reward some years ago, I would have gone to Hell for all eternity, weeping, crying. Not for a million years, not for a thousand million years, but for eternity. 
    And in gratitude to the Most Holy Trinity, to Our Blessed Mother, I go to Confession every week, I recite my 15 Mysteries of the Rosary every day, my breviary, I wear my Brown Scapular, and I preach the Rosary and the Brown Scapular to everyone. I preach to bishops like I preach to everyone because bishops too have a soul to be saved. 
    The Lord Jesus has chosen us among men to make us priests for one reason, to offer sacrifice to the Almighty Father and save souls from Hell. When I preach at parish retreats, I always end with the preaching on Hell. 
    Devotion to the Rosary is a great sign of pre-destination
    I am not holy but I pray my Rosary, I wear my Scapular, I say my breviary, seven days a week. I say my Mass every day, I go to confession every week and I hope (I'm not sure, nobody is sure) to go to Heaven. 
    Nobody is sure unless they have a private revelation from God. Why not take all insurance Our Lady of Fatima has given us: "Devotion to My Rosary is a great sign of pre-destination." 
    She has given us another insurance, "that anyone dying in this habit [the Brown Scapular] shall not suffer eternal fire." 
    If only one bishop among you would come to Fatima and go back to his diocese and beseech his people, "I am your bishop. I am here to save your souls from Hell. Please accept my teaching today, listen to my teaching today. Meditate on my teaching today. And please, my priests, imitate your bishop, preach on Hell." 
    If only you would do this, you will be doing the greatest act of charity of your priesthood, of your episcopal apostolate. 
    Preach Hell and Jesus will bless you, Jesus will forgive you your weakness, Jesus will forgive your sins if you do preach Hell. By preaching Hell, you are making a terrific act of charity because those that will hear you, they will believe, they will change their lives and they will go to Confession.
    Saints go to confession, Saints go to confession! And those that go to confession frequently become Saints. 

    Please pass this article on to others. Distribute this brochure at your church, among friends and strangers. Everyone should have a chance to read this most important message.
    Oh my Jesus forgive us our sins; save us from the fires of hell.
    Lead all souls to heaven especially those most in need of Thy mercy.


    Copies of this article available from:
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    Re: Hell exists and we might go there!
    « Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 04:31:40 PM »
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  • yes, it is annoying that no homilies are ever about the pain of Hell


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Hell exists and we might go there!
    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2017, 08:18:50 PM »
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    I heard a guest on a radio talk show yesterday say she's "raised Catholic" and Catholics are not supposed to believe in reincarnation. When asked if she believes in hell, she replied that she really does, but she's not so sure about the reality of the devil. And regarding reincarnation she thinks it really does happen.
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    When challenged by a caller who referred to himself as a "street preacher" (apparently a Protestant) who said that the Bible contains a teaching that no one can come back from the dead (in the saying of Our Lord about Lazarus and the Rich Man's table -- BTW not a parable because Lazarus is a proper name and Our Lord would not have named him if he were not a real person), she said that anyone can quote the Bible to support their own personal belief. Curiously, she did not manage to quote the Bible to support her own personal belief about the non-existence of the devil or about reincarnation. Of course by the time she finished saying that the "street preacher" caller had been dumped on the sly. The show strives to be non-controversial. HAHAHA
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    Interesting, no?
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    If anyone wants to know her name, I'll look it up. Ends in "...kowski."
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    The guest hires out as a house cleanser - she uses sage and such herbs as incense to "smudge" out negative entities from a house. She assures all comers that you have to smudge every 2 weeks (because it doesn't last for more than 2 weeks) and you have to go into every cabinet and closet and room and alcove, and under all the beds and tablecloths, because wherever you don't smoke them out, that's where they will hide. This comes from a native American tradition for getting rid of evil spirits.
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    Re: Hell exists and we might go there!
    « Reply #3 on: July 15, 2017, 08:29:14 PM »
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    We live in a time when even people who claim "Catholic" are speaking like witch doctors, and nobody seems to be the wiser.
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    I have a copy of Jimmy Weldon (www.jimmyweldon.com) in his monologue "The American Flag, Old Glory," in which he waxes eloquent about where the Flag has been, where it came from, and what it means, wherein he says that it matters not what you believe in, so long as you hold your faith dear. Curiously, that pretty much describes the condemned heresy of AMERICANISM.
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    BTW if you like salsa dancing, the DVD copy I have of Weldon in his Flag shtick ends with two minutes of a couple twirling around on a studio dance floor to Latin music. I think that was there by mistake.
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    Re: Hell exists and we might go there!
    « Reply #4 on: August 17, 2017, 06:01:57 PM »
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  • Yeah, I don't think most people are afraid of hell or God anymore.  It's stupid, but I hear people (from all walks of life) say things like, "I don't believe in a punishing God," or "everyone goes to heaven."  I thought protestants were bad, because they didn't believe in Purgatory.  But, without any belief in hell, I guess that takes off all the limits.  



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    Re: Hell exists and we might go there!
    « Reply #5 on: August 18, 2017, 01:09:32 PM »
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  • Hell is the most terrifying of all Catholic tenets. It is the eternity of it that frightens one. I have no fear of Purgatory, for there one can purge all our sins, sins we all committed in our lives, and then our eternity in heaven begins. Sometimes I say; thank God for Purgatory.

    That is why the Fatima Prayer is so important.

    "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy."

     

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    Someone asked Padre Pio what to say to a relative who doesn't believe in the existence of hell.
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    Padre Pio said to tell him that's okay, he can believe whatever he wants to believe, but he'll stop having any doubts whether hell is real, the moment he arrives there.
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    When Padre Pio made a prediction, it came to pass.
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    Hell Exists
    And We Might Go There

    This article is based on a talk given by Fr. Marcel Nault 
    at the Fatima Bishops' Conference.
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    Copies of this article available from:
    Our Lady of the Rosary Library
    11721 Hidden Creek Road
    Prospect, KY 40059



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    I did a quick search for photos of Fr. Marcel Nault and could only find four:
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    Father Marcel Nault of Montreal, Quebec, assisted Father Gruner on his recent trip to India.
    [Winter 1992 - Fr. Nault had just 5 years to live.]
    Here he is offering Holy Mass for many thousands of pilgrims who came to honor Our Lady of Fatima.


    Fr. Marcel Nault, Fr. Nicholas Gruner and Fr. Victor Soroka
    in the vestibule of the Fatima Center, IFRC's headquarters
    on the U.S.-Canadian border near Buffalo, New York.
    [1996, one year left for Fr. Nault]



    HIS FINAL MESSAGE TO US
    "You must do all you can do to bring about
    the consecration of Russia and the Triumph
    or the Immaculate Heart. There is no work
    more important than this."

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    Re: Hell exists and we might go there!
    « Reply #8 on: August 18, 2017, 02:28:59 PM »
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  • The first picture is from a Fatima-on-Demand video which depicts Fr. Nault teaching a group of children:



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    « Reply #9 on: August 18, 2017, 02:42:24 PM »
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  • One of the comments under the video on the YouTube page has this:

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    My daughter Elizabeth hails : "The Holy Rosary is our wrecking ball against The Walls of Hell"
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    Fr. Nault has a French accent. I never had the privilege of meeting him. 
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    Re: Hell exists and we might go there!
    « Reply #10 on: August 18, 2017, 03:02:30 PM »
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  • While I think that all trads believe in Hell, they don't seem to believe that they can go there, simply because they're "trads."

    Being a trad is like a having a "Get Out of Going to Hell" card.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 18, 2017, 03:21:44 PM »
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  • While I think that all trads believe in Hell, they don't seem to believe that they can go there, simply because they're "trads."

    Being a trad is like a having a "Get Out of Going to Hell" card.

    Not the trads I know Meg, they do all they can to avoid going to Hell. Indeed, with the 'inculpable ignorance' escape route, I often wonder if only trads CAN go to Hell.

    The most comforting piece of advice I ever heard was from as priest who told us that if we are falling off a cliff or if a lorry is about to crash into you, saying 'My Jesus mercy' - and meaning it, one can save oneself from Hell.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 18, 2017, 04:27:47 PM »
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    In his sermon (the OP) Fr. Nault mentions how preaching about hell gives listeners something to think about much more than does hearing about heaven. The part about the bishop who never preaches about hell is worth hearing:
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    Why do you think St. Augustine changed his life? Because of the fear of Hell. I preach often on Hell because the Lord Jesus and Our Blessed Mother asked me to preach on Hell and when I preach on Hell, you feel, you know, that I believe in the reality that we call a Roman Catholic Dogma, Hell.

    Pope Pius IX, who gave us the Roman Catholic Dogma on the Immaculate Conception; Pope Pius IX, who has given us the Syllabus, used to preach and ask preachers to please, please, preach more often on Hell.

    The thought of Hell makes saints. Curiously, saints are afraid to go to Hell.

    The Curé d'Ars was afraid to go to Hell. St. Therese of the Infant Jesus was afraid to go to Hell.

    Saint Simon Stock, the Superior General of the Carmel priests, said that his monks were even afraid to go to Hell despite the fact that they were fasting, praying and living out of the world...

    ...A monsignor said to me, "Marcel, don't preach on Hell. People don't like that, you scare them." And in a very friendly way that Monsignor said to me, "Marcel, I have never preached on Hell and look at the position I have. I will never preach on Hell."


    After a long silence, I looked him in the eye and said, "Monsignor, you are on the road to Hell for all eternity. You preach, Monsignor, to please the crowd, instead of preaching to please Christ."
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    In the video, he explains to the children that saints fear going to hell, but sinners couldn't care less.
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    Like in the sermon above, in the video, he said that thinking about hell is what makes saints.
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    When he says, "Mary, Our Lady of Mount Carmel, appeared to Saint Simon Stock and told him: Don't be afraid anymore, I'm giving you Carmelites a special vestment; all those who will die wearing that vestment will not go to Hell," in the sermon above, it is like in the video, where he tells the children that St. Simon Stock had been praying to Our Lady because as Rector of the monastery, he was concerned that his monks were constantly fearful of hell, even though they were living apart from the world and doing daily penance.
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    She appeared to St. Stock and gave him this "garment of grace" (the German name for the Brown Scapular, Fr. Nault explains in the video) for the monks in the Carmel Monastery, as a consolation for them to help them cope with this fear they had of being sent to hell. Notice he does not say that the scapular will cause the monks to stop fearing hell.
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    So having a fear of hell is a pious thing, not an illness or a scourge or a plague or something to be rejected or treated with contempt. After Vatican II the Protestant notion of being free from fear of damnation was raised to some kind of pedestal of admiration. I had a Catholic mother ask me how anyone could tell a little girl that eating meat on Friday could send her to hell forever. She asked with such vitriol and fervor that it was clear someone had threatened her with this when she had been a child and she rebelled against it -- such that if the Church had not stepped in to "save her" from her contempt by changing the Friday abstinence rule, she would have abandoned the Catholic faith.
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    It was only later that I had learned that the Church never got rid of the Friday abstinence, but provided the option of substituting some equivalent penance. Now, I have known people that really enjoy eating meat every day, and for them, not having meat on Friday is a huge penance. For them to find some adequately equivalent penance to substitute might be a tall order indeed. For them, the new rule introduces quite a conundrum, and doesn't make it easier at all, because the penance they might use to take the place of abstinence would very likely be much less difficult for them and therefore would likely be inadequate, but who would be there to tell them it's inadequate? Furthermore, I find it next to impossible to find any Novus Ordo Catholic today who still practices a specific penance on Friday to take the place of Friday abstinence. They've virtually forgotten all about it. So the change has shown to be a foolish one. It might have helped some women to feel that they don't have to abandon the Church (because it's so terrible to tell a little girl that eating meat on Friday can send her to hell), but in the end, Catholics have simply stopped keeping their Friday penitential practice intact.
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    The Angel of Peace came to the children at Fatima during an apparition of Our Lady, holidng a flaming sword and saying "PENANCE! PENANCE! PENANCE!" The wrath of God hangs over the earth for our lack of doing penance. Traditional Catholics still refrain from meat on Friday, and that's still an appropriate penance. What do Novus Ordo Catholics do to take its place? They're supposed to be doing something, but I don't know any that are doing anything.
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    While I think that all trads believe in Hell, they don't seem to believe that they can go there, simply because they're "trads."

    Being a trad is like a having a "Get Out of Going to Hell" card.
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    Some people commit the sin of presumption, and being "a trad" is no guarantee of being sin-free. The devil is at work everywhere at all times, and if he can tempt trads to think they're immune from hell, then he has won the war.
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    Perhaps it is your calling to remind trads that they are at risk of eternal damnation if they think they don't have to fear going there!
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    You should tell them that St. Therese of Lisieux (the Little Flower, and "Of the Infant Jesus" as Fr. says, above) was afraid of falling into hell as she lay on her death bed at the tender age of 24. "But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved" (Mt. 24:13).  Even Protestants like to hear Scripture quoted.
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    Re: Hell exists and we might go there!
    « Reply #13 on: August 18, 2017, 04:45:02 PM »
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    I find it ironic that so many people who have no part with the Catholic faith are vegetarian or vegan. They have no problem with eliminating meat from their diet every day, when Novus Ordo Catholics are eager to bemoan the very suggestion of Friday abstinence.
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    The vegans "say no" to meat all the time for political reasons, having nothing to do with religion. Or, is their veganism a religion for them? 
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    Catholics who don't want to be bothered with Friday abstinence take their religion less seriously than vegans take their own subjective ideology. Vegans are far more dedicated to veganism than modern Catholics are dedicated to their faith. 
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    Re: Hell exists and we might go there!
    « Reply #14 on: August 18, 2017, 10:23:23 PM »
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  • It is messed up that Novus Ordo has BINGO on Fridays and have hamburgers and hotdogs ( beef)
    And no fish.
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

     

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