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Offline rosary93

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approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
« on: July 06, 2017, 10:58:25 AM »
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    • At this site:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2015/09/18/francis-is-a-global-sensation-but-to-certain-traditional-catholics-his-message-rings-hollow/?utm_term=.06b3881bde38


    it addresses the concerns of conservatives about Pope F

    It says that 90% of Catholics approve of him!

    Well, I will bet something like 80% of Catholics don't even study Pope F. I probably do not study him enough, but you know... I have SEEN enough. I know "from whence he comes" and it is NOT good. He speaks for the devil.

    He says things like "people have their own ideas about right and wrong"

    OH WOW, there's a shocker for ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEWSFLASH everyone... People have their own way of deciding right from wrong!!!!!!!!

    Whoda thunk it?

    The Word of  God addresses this in the Old and New Testaments: "Everyone doing what is  right in his own eyes..."

    "There is a way which seemeth right unto [us] but the ways thereof are the ways of death [Hell, which eternal death...]"

    The saints... many, many of the saints tell us that hardly anyone makes it to Heaven (Liquori, Vianney, Augustine, Jerome...) 


    Jesus said that FEW find the Narrow Way, which can be summed up in one word, really: JESUS

    and Jesus established ONE (count 'em...) ONE Church

    God, please get this heretic OUT of the Vatican!
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 05:45:47 AM »
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    • Morality is not determined by a majority vote. The only vote that counts is God's. 
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #2 on: July 07, 2017, 05:45:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on July 07, 2017, 05:45:47 AM
    Morality is not determined by a majority vote. The only vote that counts is God's.
    lease explain relevancy to OP?
    don't get it... :confused:
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 12:12:15 PM »
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    • The Pope was chosen by Conclave, and the Church teaches that in making its choice Conclave is guided by the Holy Spirit. Therefore is it not the case that Pope Francis's elevation to the papacy was the work of God himself? Or do you believe that the Holy Spirit makes mistakes? 

    I have to believe that this, too, is all part of the plan, and the full meaning will be revealed to us over time, if we are patient.
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 12:16:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Irish_Catholic on August 02, 2017, 12:12:15 PM

    The Pope was chosen by Conclave, and the Church teaches that in making its choice Conclave is guided by the Holy Spirit. Therefore is it not the case that Pope Francis's elevation to the papacy was the work of God himself? Or do you believe that the Holy Spirit makes mistakes?

    I have to believe that this, too, is all part of the plan, and the full meaning will be revealed to us over time, if we are patient.


    There is no Catholic teaching which states that it is guaranteed that the Holy Ghost guides the Cardinals in a conclave. Therefore, the election of Pope Francis cannot be said to be the work of God, though God may have allowed it through His permissive will. 
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 01:46:36 PM »
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    • St Thomas Aquinas says we are to publicly correct our superiors if they are promoting and condoning sin and errors.  Choose God; not man.
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2017, 12:28:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Irish_Catholic on August 02, 2017, 12:12:15 PM

    The Pope was chosen by Conclave, and the Church teaches that in making its choice Conclave is guided by the Holy Spirit. Therefore is it not the case that Pope Francis's elevation to the papacy was the work of God himself? Or do you believe that the Holy Spirit makes mistakes?

    I have to believe that this, too, is all part of the plan, and the full meaning will be revealed to us over time, if we are patient.

    God chose Judas. He did so to let us know traitors can and would also occupy high office.
    'By their fruits you will know them,' He said.
    I think we all know the 'fruits' of every pope since 1960.

    I suggest you read some of the books written about the choice of men to be popes since then. Mary Martinez worked in the Vatican before popes John and Paul were elected and it was known to her and others that the next popes would be one or the other. How then could the 'Holy Spirit' have had any say at those conclaves? I bet they know who will be their modernist choice for next pope already.
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #7 on: August 31, 2017, 02:19:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on August 06, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
    God chose Judas. He did so to let us know traitors can and would also occupy high office.
    'By their fruits you will know them,' He said.
    I think we all know the 'fruits' of every pope since 1960.

    I suggest you read some of the books written about the choice of men to be popes since then. Mary Martinez worked in the Vatican before popes John and Paul were elected and it was known to her and others that the next popes would be one or the other. How then could the 'Holy Spirit' have had any say at those conclaves? I bet they know who will be their modernist choice for next pope already.
    could you clarify?
    I really would like to know what you mean here
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #8 on: August 31, 2017, 02:33:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Irish_Catholic on August 02, 2017, 12:12:15 PM
    The Pope was chosen by Conclave, and the Church teaches that in making its choice Conclave is guided by the Holy Spirit. 
    To which specific teaching are you referring?
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #9 on: August 31, 2017, 04:25:33 PM »
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    • what difference does it make how a pope is chosen, really? we know the cardinals vote but if the crdinals are corrupt and a bunch of Judases.. and some likely are, well, we get a pope like the one we have.

    I feel somewhat uncomfortable calling myself a seda vacantist but I wonder WHY I feel that way? probably just because I don't know any other sedas and etc... just need to get adjusted to this truth, that the Church is--what's the word?

    hmmmmmmm.. sold out to the  devil? yeh, that works   
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #10 on: August 31, 2017, 04:52:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on August 31, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
    what difference does it make how a pope is chosen, really? we know the cardinals vote but if the crdinals are corrupt and a bunch of Judases.. and some likely are, well, we get a pope like the one we have.

    I feel somewhat uncomfortable calling myself a seda vacantist but I wonder WHY I feel that way? probably just because I don't know any other sedas and etc... just need to get adjusted to this truth, that the Church is--what's the word?

    hmmmmmmm.. sold out to the  devil? yeh, that works   
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    Re: approval of pope F is @ 90%?! But 90% or more go to Hell....
    « Reply #11 on: August 31, 2017, 08:44:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Irish_Catholic on August 02, 2017, 12:12:15 PM

    The Pope was chosen by Conclave, and the Church teaches that in making its choice Conclave is guided by the Holy Spirit. Therefore is it not the case that Pope Francis's elevation to the papacy was the work of God himself? Or do you believe that the Holy Spirit makes mistakes?

    I have to believe that this, too, is all part of the plan, and the full meaning will be revealed to us over time, if we are patient.
    The Holy Ghost's guidance and assistance is only given to those who sincerely pray for it. It is not unconditionally guaranteed.  It is not given to help any given Cardinal make decisions based upon political or worldly considerations. Such clerics can and do reject the counsel of the Spirit. Decisions made without the Divine assistance will bring with them consequences and punishments to the Church, as we have seen.
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