Quote from: Meg on Today at 01:02:30 PM.
Some people commit the sin of presumption, and being "a trad" is no guarantee of being sin-free. The devil is at work everywhere at all times, and if he can tempt trads to think they're immune from hell, then he has won the war.
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Perhaps it is your calling to remind trads that they are at risk of eternal damnation if they think they don't have to fear going there!
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You should tell them that St. Therese of Lisieux (the Little Flower, and "Of the Infant Jesus" as Fr. says, above) was afraid of falling into hell as she lay on her death bed at the tender age of 24. "But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved" (Mt. 24:13).  Even Protestants like to hear Scripture quoted.

'Presumption,' now that could have a thread of its own. I remember Pope John XXIII on his deathbed said he was was looking forward to heaven. I asked some priest, cannot remember who, is that not presumption. The priest said not at all, it just showed his desire to go to heaven. After him millions of souls were lost to Modernism. Still trying to figure it all out.

Then there is Heaven. I understood saints are in Heaven. After Pope John, Pope John Paul II, the pope who gathered false Gods around him as Vicar of Christ art ASSISI, contrary to the first commandment of God, gets a freebie to heaven from his modernist friends who made him a saint while more millions of souls leave the Church these saints invented after 1965.

You wouldn't know how to think as a Catholic trad these days, would you? That said, we are all responsible for our own soul and its destiny.

It is messed up that Novus Ordo has BINGO on Fridays and have hamburgers and hotdogs ( beef)
And no fish.

It is "messed up" that the NO… is.

Presumtion of presumption, how odd.

It's just that there are many threads about whether non-Catholics can go to Heaven, and I've participated on those threads. So there is a lot of concern about non-Catholics, but I don't ever see threads about trads going to Hell. So I assume that trads don't worry about it at all.

There's also concern about the novus ordo folks - it's assumed that many or most of them are lost - but again, no concern that trads may go to Hell, or even have the possibility of doing so.

And thirdly there are trads who believe that other trads are going to Hell for not having the correct trad beliefs. Well, we are good at being concerned about others regarding Hell, but really not about ourselves.

Do we really only have to have the correct beliefs, and be free from mortal sin in order to gain Heaven? Isn't that just a bare minimum?

What is is your opinion on that?

Sins like sloth (a failure to seek God) or pride (an unwillingness to die to my own desires and live for God's).  Our culture seems extremely unwilling to die to self and live for God.  Its highest "virtue" seems to be selfishness and it's easy to get lost in that mess.  I feel that I need lots of spiritual "vaccinations and anti-biotics," on a regular basis, otherwise it creeps into my life and starts to take over.  Heck, it often attacks when I feel I'm at my best and then tricks me into feeding it!   It seems like it is a constant struggle, that will only be finally resolved in death.  It also seems, from my experience, that it is possible to be saved and then lose my salvation, because sin will ultimately turn me against God.  

Sins like sloth (a failure to seek God) or pride (an unwillingness to die to my own desires and live for God's).  Our culture seems extremely unwilling to die to self and live for God.  Its highest "virtue" seems to be selfishness and it's easy to get lost in that mess.  I feel that I need lots of spiritual "vaccinations and anti-biotics," on a regular basis, otherwise it creeps into my life and starts to take over.  Heck, it often attacks when I feel I'm at my best and then tricks me into feeding it!   It seems like it is a constant struggle, that will only be finally resolved in death.  It also seems, from my experience, that it is possible to be saved and then lose my salvation, because sin will ultimately turn me against God.  

to anyone who says u cannot lose your  salvation, there are many scripture psgs that say otherwise
one is Apocalypse where it speaks of being removed from the Book of Life (God says He will not remove [the just] from the book of LIfe
you can't remove something that  wasn't there

to anyone who says u cannot lose your  salvation, there are many scripture psgs that say otherwise
one is Apocalypse where it speaks of being removed from the Book of Life (God says He will not remove [the just] from the book of LIfe
you can't remove something that  wasn't there

Oh, thanks for telling me!   Its been so long since I formed those beliefs, I often forget the passages they are based on.  You know, sometimes though it's just the "entirety" of scripture, which seems to give an impression and then there it is in the catechism (fortunately all catechisms are eternally valid).