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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: MyrnaM on October 29, 2017, 11:56:58 AM
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Lately on every topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z43Y0z5t_F8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z43Y0z5t_F8)
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Lately on every topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z43Y0z5t_F8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z43Y0z5t_F8)
With all due ma'am, just yesterday you admitted to falsely attributing communism to another user; would you like the link posted as a refresher?
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Fun video. I guess fortunately for me I do not tune into every topic, or I might feel like the end of the video?
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Lately on every topic
I'm not seeing it. Besides, people are too stubborn around here EVER to arrive at a mutual synthesis.
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With all due ma'am, just yesterday you admitted to falsely attributing communism to another user; would you like the link posted as a refresher?
Don't you mean I apologized, however, my apology was never accepted therefore it remains since whenever something was given but not accepted it still remains.
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I'm not seeing it. Besides, people are too stubborn around here EVER to arrive at a mutual synthesis.
Ladislaus consider the Thesis is sede"whatever" and the Anti-thesis is the Novus Ordo
and the Synthesis is SSPX R&R
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Ladislaus consider the Thesis is sede"whatever" and the Anti-thesis is the Novus Ordo
and the Synthesis is SSPX R&R
Perhaps. But SSPX came first really.
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Perhaps. But SSPX came first really.
So then:
Thesis = SSPX, Anti-Thesis = Novus Ordo and Synthesis = Sede
Now new agenda
Thesis = Sede, Anti-Thesis = SSPX and Synthesis = SSPX R&R
Is that correct?
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I think too often the catholic idea of the moral "middle ground" is interpreted erroneously. The true "middle ground" has to do with the old saying that "virtue lies in the middle" BUT this doesn't apply in all cases. Virtue, in opposition to the world is VERY EXTREME. The saints were VERY EXTREME. For some virtues there is NO extreme (faith, hope charity). For the rest, they must be tempered (i.e. blind obedience is wrong). Being in the middle is usually not good.
In the 70s the extreme wrong was the novus ordo; the right view was traditionalism, which rejected the novus ordo. The middle was the sspx which never rejected the novus ordo wholeheartedly.
Nowadays, the sspx is still in the middle, but they're way closer to the left, having become a quasi-indult, which is the logical conclusion to their 70s lukewarm stance on the new mass. The middle is not where you want to be. "Be ye hot or cold, the lukewarm I will vomit from my mouth."
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I think too often the catholic idea of the moral "middle ground" is interpreted erroneously. The true "middle ground" has to do with the old saying that "virtue lies in the middle" BUT this doesn't apply in all cases. Virtue, in opposition to the world is VERY EXTREME. The saints were VERY EXTREME. For some virtues there is NO extreme (faith, hope charity). For the rest, they must be tempered (i.e. blind obedience is wrong). Being in the middle is usually not good.
In the 70s the extreme wrong was the novus ordo; the right view was traditionalism, which rejected the novus ordo. The middle was the sspx which never rejected the novus ordo wholeheartedly.
Nowadays, the sspx is still in the middle, but they're way closer to the left, having become a quasi-indult, which is the logical conclusion to their 70s lukewarm stance on the new mass. The middle is not where you want to be. "Be ye hot or cold, the lukewarm I will vomit from my mouth."
I agree with you wholehearted and my point to introduce this thread here was not to argue about what "camp" we belong to or do not belong to. Truth should be simple and not complicated especially when it comes to the Catholic Faith.
So what happened to our Faith, did Russia because it was not consecrated properly spread its errors of communism?
This Hegelian Dialectic I am reading about is one of their methods of operation, in the case of our Faith, to complicate it.
Let us forget what group we are loyal to for a time and together try to get to KNOW OUR ENEMY.
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Let us forget what group we are loyal to for a time, and together try to get to KNOW OUR ENEMY.
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I'm not understanding this. If we forget what group we're loyal to for a time, then how can we get together to know our enemy?
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Who are we getting together with, when we've forgotten what group we're loyal to?
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I'm not understanding this. If we forget what group we're loyal to for a time, then how can we get together to know our enemy?
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Who are we getting together with, when we've forgotten what group we're loyal to?
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Hopefully or am I assuming wrongly getting together with fellow Catholics here and the group is the One, Holy, Catholic Faith.
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Grab your :popcorn: and take the time for 23 minutes and get to know YOUR ENEMY.
Apply information to not only our Country but more importantly the Catholic religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srfv0uIjTwU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srfv0uIjTwU)
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Don't you mean I apologized, however, my apology was never accepted therefore it remains since whenever something was given but not accepted it still remains.
It was tacitly made contingent by you but, yet again you twist and distort with partial facts and half-truths and yet again respond only as suits you.
Forget it though; that's it.
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It was tacitly made contingent by you but, yet again you twist and distort with partial facts and half-truths and yet again respond only as suits you.
Forget it though; that's it.
Thanks for the compliment; ;) never knew I could ever be that relevant.
Not too worry, it was forgotten till you brought it up here. :facepalm:
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Ladislaus consider the Thesis is sede"whatever" and the Anti-thesis is the Novus Ordo
and the Synthesis is SSPX R&R
This is an older thread but a bump will help. The above is actually a logical conclusion as in the SSPX world the situation has always been put forth employing a false dichotomy. That is to say two positions which are opposed are said to be extremes, and then a place between the two declared as the only sound and safe one to hold, That being said, this is based upon the middle position being able to define who and what are the extremes and who has the truth. The usefulness of this is demonstrated by the deliberate tying of a competing faction to one or the other of the "extremes" whenever there is inter factional conflict within the brotherhood.
So, there are really only two substantive positions, the one which is based upon the truth and the one that is not. The third being created by man, the grey area which is founded in man's subjective dispositions.
That third center position must by its nature be some type of compromise between the so called extremes.
The whole of such false dichotomies are not honest in their operation, and as they are constructed to produce a pre-determined result and validate the compromised middle. And there the search for the true reality of this crisis stops, any further action put on hold. "To the bunkers comrades, we will wait it out...in safety......
If there is indeed a more sound, a more deeply based, and a more effective posture which can be discovered, it will not be discovered, because it will not be sought out or even contemplated.
Such are the times in which we now live and the quality of men with whom we live. This is especially applicable to our Holy Church.
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Perhaps. But SSPX came first really.
I'm afraid this is factually incorrect. There were sedevacantists in the United States by at least 1967. The SSPX was founded in 1970.