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Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
« on: October 29, 2017, 11:56:58 AM »
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    « Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 03:02:47 PM »
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    With all due ma'am, just yesterday you admitted to falsely attributing communism to another user; would you like the link posted as a refresher?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
    « Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 03:46:11 PM »
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  • Fun video.  I guess fortunately for me I do not tune into every topic, or I might feel like the end of the video? 
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
    « Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 04:30:25 PM »
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    I'm not seeing it.  Besides, people are too stubborn around here EVER to arrive at a mutual synthesis.

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    Re: Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
    « Reply #4 on: October 30, 2017, 10:31:26 AM »
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  • With all due ma'am, just yesterday you admitted to falsely attributing communism to another user; would you like the link posted as a refresher?
    Don't you mean I apologized, however, my apology was never accepted therefore it remains since whenever something was given but not accepted it still remains.  


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    Re: Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
    « Reply #5 on: October 30, 2017, 10:33:48 AM »
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  • I'm not seeing it.  Besides, people are too stubborn around here EVER to arrive at a mutual synthesis.
    Ladislaus consider the Thesis is sede"whatever"  and the Anti-thesis is the Novus Ordo
    and the Synthesis is SSPX R&R

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    « Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 10:47:42 AM »
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  • Ladislaus consider the Thesis is sede"whatever"  and the Anti-thesis is the Novus Ordo
    and the Synthesis is SSPX R&R

    Perhaps.  But SSPX came first really.

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    Re: Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
    « Reply #7 on: October 30, 2017, 11:10:45 AM »
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  • Perhaps.  But SSPX came first really.
    So then:  
    Thesis = SSPX, Anti-Thesis = Novus Ordo and Synthesis = Sede
    Now new agenda
    Thesis = Sede, Anti-Thesis = SSPX and Synthesis = SSPX R&R
    Is that correct?


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    « Reply #8 on: October 30, 2017, 11:19:47 AM »
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  • I think too often the catholic idea of the moral "middle ground" is interpreted erroneously.  The true "middle ground" has to do with the old saying that "virtue lies in the middle" BUT this doesn't apply in all cases.  Virtue, in opposition to the world is VERY EXTREME.  The saints were VERY EXTREME.  For some virtues there is NO extreme (faith, hope charity).  For the rest, they must be tempered (i.e. blind obedience is wrong).  Being in the middle is usually not good.

    In the 70s the extreme wrong was the novus ordo; the right view was traditionalism, which rejected the novus ordo.  The middle was the sspx which never rejected the novus ordo wholeheartedly.

    Nowadays, the sspx is still in the middle, but they're way closer to the left, having become a quasi-indult, which is the logical conclusion to their 70s lukewarm stance on the new mass.  The middle is not where you want to be.  "Be ye hot or cold, the lukewarm I will vomit from my mouth."

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    Re: Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
    « Reply #9 on: October 30, 2017, 11:52:23 AM »
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  • I think too often the catholic idea of the moral "middle ground" is interpreted erroneously.  The true "middle ground" has to do with the old saying that "virtue lies in the middle" BUT this doesn't apply in all cases.  Virtue, in opposition to the world is VERY EXTREME.  The saints were VERY EXTREME.  For some virtues there is NO extreme (faith, hope charity).  For the rest, they must be tempered (i.e. blind obedience is wrong).  Being in the middle is usually not good.

    In the 70s the extreme wrong was the novus ordo; the right view was traditionalism, which rejected the novus ordo.  The middle was the sspx which never rejected the novus ordo wholeheartedly.

    Nowadays, the sspx is still in the middle, but they're way closer to the left, having become a quasi-indult, which is the logical conclusion to their 70s lukewarm stance on the new mass.  The middle is not where you want to be.  "Be ye hot or cold, the lukewarm I will vomit from my mouth."

    I agree with you wholehearted and my point to introduce this thread here was not to argue about what "camp" we belong to or do not belong to.  Truth should be simple and not complicated especially when it comes to the Catholic Faith.

    So what happened to our Faith, did Russia because it was not consecrated properly spread its errors of communism?
    This Hegelian Dialectic I am reading about is one of their methods of operation, in the case of our Faith, to complicate it.
     
    Let us forget what group we are loyal to for a time and together try to get to KNOW OUR ENEMY.  

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    « Reply #10 on: October 30, 2017, 12:14:20 PM »
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  • Let us forget what group we are loyal to for a time, and together try to get to KNOW OUR ENEMY.  
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    I'm not understanding this. If we forget what group we're loyal to for a time, then how can we get together to know our enemy?
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    Who are we getting together with, when we've forgotten what group we're loyal to?
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    Re: Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
    « Reply #11 on: October 30, 2017, 12:29:55 PM »
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    I'm not understanding this. If we forget what group we're loyal to for a time, then how can we get together to know our enemy?
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    Who are we getting together with, when we've forgotten what group we're loyal to?
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    Hopefully or am I assuming wrongly getting together with fellow Catholics here and the group is the One, Holy, Catholic Faith.  

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    Re: Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
    « Reply #12 on: October 31, 2017, 10:57:49 AM »
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  • Grab your  :popcorn:  and take the time for 23 minutes and get to know YOUR ENEMY.

    Apply information to not only our Country but more importantly the Catholic religion.  




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    « Reply #13 on: October 31, 2017, 12:08:27 PM »
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  • Don't you mean I apologized, however, my apology was never accepted therefore it remains since whenever something was given but not accepted it still remains.  
    It was tacitly made contingent by you but, yet again you twist and distort with partial facts and half-truths and yet again respond only as suits you.

    Forget it though; that's it.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Hegelian Dialectic + I see a lot of this on Cathinfo
    « Reply #14 on: October 31, 2017, 12:54:39 PM »
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  • It was tacitly made contingent by you but, yet again you twist and distort with partial facts and half-truths and yet again respond only as suits you.

    Forget it though; that's it.

    Thanks for the compliment; ;) never knew I could ever be that relevant.


    Not too worry, it was forgotten till you brought it up here.   :facepalm:

     

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