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Offline Croix de Fer

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Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2018, 05:52:48 PM »
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  • Dude, you really need to grow up.  When someone doesn't answer you within minutes, you try to turn that into "running".
    I posted the same response to you earlier in this thread, but you didn't respond to it. It's over a day old. 
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    Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
    « Reply #76 on: July 03, 2018, 06:03:27 PM »
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  • There's a difference between accountability and blame.  Men take accountability for the organizations that they head up.  This is true even in non-Catholic secular society.

    If I am the bishop of a diocese, and there's a huge pedophile scandal that breaks out in my diocese.  As bishop, I resign because I am accountable for what happens in my diocese.  Only God will determine my actual blame and degree of guilt.  He knows whether or not I could have done more to prevent it, been more vigilant about it, etc. ... or whether it may have been completely out of my control and not even St. Pius X could have stopped it.  Not even YOU know your own degree of guilt and responsibility, and so in the external forum you assume responsibility for your organization and take accountability for it.

    But, despite how you act sometimes, you're not God.  So in your analogy you liken yourself to God, eh?  That's incredibly revealing.

    In any case, in civil society and in the EXTERNAL forum, leaders have accountability for their organization, and in this case fathers for the state of their family.  In the internal forum, God alone will ultimately determine my blame.  So as much as YOU would love to exonerate yourself and put yourself on the level of God vis-a-vis the fallen angels, that's an epic fail.  Nor is it true that the woman can be likened to the devil.  In very few, if any, cases does the fault lie ENTIRELY on one side.  In the vast majority of cases, the husband has some fault in how everything transpired.  God will ultimately be the judge the extent of it.  But, in the meantime, on this earth, a true leader takes RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY for the failure of his organization.  If I'm President of the United States, and my Secretary of State and several of my cabinet members turn out to be traitors and criminals, do I get to wash my hands of this by whining and pointing the finger at them?  No.  I accept responsibility because at the very least I PICKED THESE MEN in the first place.  Similarly, the husband is responsible and accountable because, at the very least, he chose the woman to marry.

    So you act like the effeminate little "soy boy" that you ACTUALLY are by trying to point the finger at the "wicked" wife ... instead of assuming responsibility for the state of your family like a real man would.  You know, Croix, in my experience, the more a many openly thumps his chest and tries to assert his masculinity and his "machismo", ironically, those are some of the least manly men that I've ever met.  True men lead in action and in truth and have need to bluster.  Usually the machismo blustering reveals a man who is actually insecure about his own masculinity.


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    Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
    « Reply #77 on: July 03, 2018, 06:07:47 PM »
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  • I posted the same response to you earlier in this thread, but you didn't respond to it. It's over a day old.

    Well, good for you.  I didn't see it.  I don't run from anybody.

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    Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
    « Reply #78 on: July 03, 2018, 06:12:40 PM »
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  • the same knucklehead who said "God isn't a Catholic God" quite some time ago.

    What I said was that there's a sense in which this is true.  God is not Catholic.  By no definition of "Catholic" is God a Catholic.  So the phrase "Catholic God" can be understood in its literal sense or else as meaning "God of Catholics" or the "God believed in by Catholics."  But it is most certainly true that God is not Catholic.  But, then, we know that you struggle with logical distinctions.  My point was simply that Bergoglio used a totally ambiguous phrase that can have any number of meanings.

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    Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
    « Reply #79 on: July 03, 2018, 06:37:24 PM »
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  • There's a difference between accountability and blame.  Men take accountability for the organizations that they head up.  This is true even in non-Catholic secular society.

    If I am the bishop of a diocese, and there's a huge pedophile scandal that breaks out in my diocese.  As bishop, I resign because I am accountable for what happens in my diocese.  Only God will determine my actual blame and degree of guilt.  He knows whether or not I could have done more to prevent it, been more vigilant about it, etc. ... or whether it may have been completely out of my control and not even St. Pius X could have stopped it.  Not even YOU know your own degree of guilt and responsibility, and so in the external forum you assume responsibility for your organization and take accountability for it.

    But, despite how you act sometimes, you're not God.  So in your analogy you liken yourself to God, eh?  That's incredibly revealing.

    In any case, in civil society and in the EXTERNAL forum, leaders have accountability for their organization, and in this case fathers for the state of their family.  In the internal forum, God alone will ultimately determine my blame.  So as much as YOU would love to exonerate yourself and put yourself on the level of God vis-a-vis the fallen angels, that's an epic fail.  Nor is it true that the woman can be likened to the devil.  In very few, if any, cases does the fault lie ENTIRELY on one side.  In the vast majority of cases, the husband has some fault in how everything transpired.  God will ultimately be the judge the extent of it.  But, in the meantime, on this earth, a true leader takes RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY for the failure of his organization.  If I'm President of the United States, and my Secretary of State and several of my cabinet members turn out to be traitors and criminals, do I get to wash my hands of this by whining and pointing the finger at them?  No.  I accept responsibility because at the very least I PICKED THESE MEN in the first place.  Similarly, the husband is responsible and accountable because, at the very least, he chose the woman to marry.

    So you act like the effeminate little "soy boy" that you ACTUALLY are by trying to point the finger at the "wicked" wife ... instead of assuming responsibility for the state of your family like a real man would.  You know, Croix, in my experience, the more a many openly thumps his chest and tries to assert his masculinity and his "machismo", ironically, those are some of the least manly men that I've ever met.  True men lead in action and in truth and have need to bluster.  Usually the machismo blustering reveals a man who is actually insecure about his own masculinity.

    You try to use semantics of "accountability" and "blame" but it's a failure.

    We all know that no human is perfect, and whenever there is a conflict within a relationship, however it is manifested, even the righteous person has at least some degree of accountability for it, but the guilt still lies entirely with the transgressor, such as the woman who "divorces" her husband simply because she doesn't love him anymore, and she uses the courts to steal what the man built and earned. The man, despite some accountability, shouldn't have to be responsible for the material support of the woman after she "divorces" him. In the case of children, the man can and should provide material (as well as emotional & mental) support for them outside of the harlot woman being a conduit of his resources to the children, and he certainly doesn't have to lose his house, savings account, car and assets to the woman to provide adequate support to the kids.

    Just as guilt of the revolt in Heaven lies entirely with Lucifer, the Lord God wasn't responsible for soothing (material support) Lucifer for his tantrums for not being equal to God. He didn't pat Lucifer on the back and give him multiple opportunities to calm down so he could be happy again, and be at peace, which only God provides. No, God in His Truth expelled Lucifer and his followers into hell for eternity where he was deprived of all peace & happiness (material support) for eternity. And we also know God wasn't accountable for the revolt in Heaven, so your strawman that I'm equating man with God is erroneous. The point is a husband can be righteous, not perfect, but still righteous, and evil can find its way to him through the wife by "divorcing" him and taking everything from him. That's the revolt of the wife against her husband. It's systemic in these latter days. You live in a bubble if you can't see it.




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    Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
    « Reply #80 on: July 03, 2018, 06:42:40 PM »
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  • What I said was that there's a sense in which this is true.  God is not Catholic.  By no definition of "Catholic" is God a Catholic.  So the phrase "Catholic God" can be understood in its literal sense or else as meaning "God of Catholics" or the "God believed in by Catholics."  But it is most certainly true that God is not Catholic.  But, then, we know that you struggle with logical distinctions.  My point was simply that Bergoglio used a totally ambiguous phrase that can have any number of meanings.

    Obstinate in your heresy, pride and stupidity.

    Isaiah 29:14 and 1 Corinthians 1:19 describes you very well.
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    Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
    « Reply #81 on: July 04, 2018, 10:04:42 AM »
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