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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Hear, woman !
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2018, 04:54:42 PM »
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  • He was talking about the problem of women having a sense of entitlement.  This is common enough that I do not see any problem with making it the subject of a "rant".

    Without a specific target for the rant, it comes across as a generic statement along the lines of:  "Catholic women feel that they're entitled to a Catholic man despite ..."  These are the types of sentiments that you find on secular forums where there's much ranting against women because inferior women, they claim, all feel entitled to super ("alpha") men.  They post examples of dating-site posts from unwed mothers who are unattractive, overweight, and have very little else going for them who have a long list of demands for what they require in a man (good-looking, fit, athletic, devoted/loyal, wealthy etc.).

    But this rant misses the mark because the types of women who have this attitude (even among Catholics) rarely are looking for the "good Catholic man" ... but rather, the hot guy with a great personality ... who also makes tons of money.  Generally speaking, women who are sincerely looking for good Catholic husbands do not have this arrogant sense of entitlement.  That's why I feel that this misses the mark.

    Of course, Croix had informed all of us that he's very attractive to women, so he must have more problems sifting out the good from the bad than the rest of us mere mortals.  And I'm not just writing this as a slam on Croix, but am being serious.  That's like the extremely rich guy who might have a hard time determining whether a woman really loves him and finds him attractive ... or, rather, has fallen in love with this wallet.  Maybe that's why Croix's comments don't resonate with most of us.  If I had been extremely wealthy when looking for a wife, I probably would have found a way to hide my wealth until the relationship with a woman became very serious.  But one can't hide good look as easily (unless you're St. Rose of Lima).


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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #46 on: July 03, 2018, 05:00:13 PM »
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  • Without a specific target for the rant, it comes across as a generic statement along the lines of:  "Catholic women feel that they're entitled to a Catholic man despite ..."  These are the types of sentiments that you find on secular forums where there's much ranting against women because inferior women, they claim, all feel entitled to super ("alpha") men.  They post examples of dating-site posts from unwed mothers who are unattractive, overweight, and have very little else going for them who have a long list of demands for what they require in a man (good-looking, fit, athletic, devoted/loyal, wealthy etc.).

    But this rant misses the mark because the types of women who have this attitude (even among Catholics) rarely are looking for the "good Catholic man" ... but rather, the hot guy with a great personality ... who also makes tons of money.  Generally speaking, women who are sincerely looking for good Catholic husbands do not have this arrogant sense of entitlement.  That's why I feel that this misses the mark.
    I imagine that trad women don't have a sense of entitlement to the same degree that secular women do, but I suspect that, like feminism, it nevertheless affects us to some extent.


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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #47 on: July 03, 2018, 05:06:24 PM »
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  • Generally speaking, women who are sincerely looking for good Catholic husbands do not have this arrogant sense of entitlement.  That's why I feel that this misses the mark.
    Even the ones that don't have a sense of entitlement but they still fit the the rest of the aforementioned disposition, if they can't find a good, Catholic man for a husband, they're largely to blame for it (unless it's God's Providence that they don't get married). The point is what good Catholic man would want to be with a woman fitting that disposition, even absent the sense of entitlement? You can't blame the man for not wanting to be with such a woman for the remainder of his days. 
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #48 on: July 03, 2018, 05:06:32 PM »
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  • I imagine that trad women don't have a sense of entitlement to the same degree that secular women do, but I suspect that, like feminism, it nevertheless affects us to some extent.

    I don't know.  Any decent Catholic understands that we're entitled to nothing, but that everything we receive is a free undeserved gift from God.

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #49 on: July 03, 2018, 05:19:55 PM »
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  • Even the ones that don't have a sense of entitlement but they still fit the the rest of the aforementioned disposition, if they can't find a good, Catholic man for a husband, they're largely to blame for it (unless it's God's Providence that they don't get married). The point is what good Catholic man would want to be with a woman fitting that disposition, even absent the sense of entitlement? You can't blame the man for not wanting to be with such a woman for the remainder of his days.

    And, I will add that I suspect the backlash I received from many - not all - but many of the women on these "Dowell threads", and similar threads, are from women who feel that they, deep down, identify to some degree with the women described in the "Hear, Woman !" original post. They have low self-esteem issues.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #50 on: July 03, 2018, 05:35:34 PM »
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  • And, I will add that I suspect the backlash I received from many - not all - but many of the women on these "Dowell threads", and similar threads, are from women who feel that they, deep down, identify to some degree with the women described in the "Hear, Woman !" original post. They have low self-esteem issues.
    Or it could just be your delivery..... 

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #51 on: July 04, 2018, 03:22:06 PM »
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  • Perhaps some of Croix de Fer's posts might be characterized as bullying
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    I don't have time for this ____.

    Bishop Williamson is having a 30th Consecration anniversary in 2 days, and I'm planning to be there. And no, it's not anywhere near Texas. So I have some things to do yet (packing!)
    So I don't have time for a flurry of mod reports every morning. Especially now! And even after I get back and settle in, I have to look for a new job. So even next week I won't have time to delete dozens of posts per week because Croix de Fer called someone "brothel tenant", "whore", "stalker", "cow", and many other foul names here on this fine Catholic forum. He's just not worth it.

    Croix de Fer jumped the shark, and that's all there is to it. He used to have about 100 downvotes or less (vs. 2000 upvotes) -- and that was last month! But now he has more downvotes than upvotes! If that isn't "jumping the shark", I don't know what is. What happened to the guy? Pray for him.
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