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Re: Hear, woman !
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2018, 01:21:19 PM »
I agree with you that "It is rarely effective to lecture the opposite sex (unless one is a priest or catechist or a similar position) because it sounds too much like complaining about them." Where you lose me however, is your statement that " It seems especially bad for women to lecture at men because it comes across as a woman taking a position of authority over men."
Let us be clear. When Christ is at the center of a Catholic marriage, the husband has authority over his wife. However that does not mean that men in general have authority over all women. Just as it would be wrong for a random woman to lecture men in general, so also it is wrong for a random man to lecture women in general. Such a man would have absolutely no authority over women.
While it might not be ideal for a random man to lecture women in general (for example, in the context of a forum like this) it is not wrong in the same way it would be if the positions were reversed.  A man lecturing women might be doing something inappropriate but a woman lecturing men is going against Scripture.

[11] Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. (I Tim2)

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Re: Hear, woman !
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2018, 03:07:48 PM »

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While it might not be ideal for a random man to lecture women in general (for example, in the context of a forum like this) it is not wrong in the same way it would be if the positions were reversed.  A man lecturing women might be doing something inappropriate but a woman lecturing men is going against Scripture.
Exactly.  


Re: Hear, woman !
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2018, 03:45:45 PM »
While it might not be ideal for a random man to lecture women in general (for example, in the context of a forum like this) it is not wrong in the same way it would be if the positions were reversed.  A man lecturing women might be doing something inappropriate but a woman lecturing men is going against Scripture.

[11] Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. (I Tim2)
Standing up against a bully is well within appropriate behavior for a Catholic woman. It is not preaching or teaching.

Re: Hear, woman !
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2018, 04:26:37 PM »
Standing up against a bully is well within appropriate behavior for a Catholic woman. It is not preaching or teaching.
Perhaps some of Croix de Fer's posts might be characterized as bullying, but in this thread he gave us an exhortation to be godly Catholic women.  Telling women that we should be virtuous and chaste is not bullying and does not need people "standing up against" it.

Disagree with him when he says something worth disagreeing with, but don't make it into a personal vendetta where everything he says comes under attack.

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Re: Hear, woman !
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2018, 04:28:57 PM »
There isn't really anything wrong with this advice, although there is some question as to the poster's right/authority to be saying it.

And a question of to whom he's even addressing the remarks.  I guess it's directed towards a generic Catholic woman who is lukewarm, doesn't care about her appearance, and yet feels entitled to a good Catholic husband?  I guess that they know who they are?  Otherwise, it's just a thinly-veiled rant against women in general ... or at the very least comes across that way to women.