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Offline TxTrad

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Re: Hear, woman !
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2018, 04:24:02 AM »
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  • I know.

    It's obvious your husband is a punk. You know it. This is why you spend so much time away from him and you stalk me on CathInfo.
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    You need professional help, Pablo.


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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #31 on: July 02, 2018, 03:14:41 PM »
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  • Solely being a Catholic woman doesn't give you title to a good, Catholic man for a husband. Since a good, holy, Catholic woman is extremely rare in our society, don't think you can be lukewarm, at best, in your spirituality, and you can neglect your health and appearance, and your personality & cognitive domain can, variably, be a byproduct of this modern world, and all of this suffices in attaining a good, Catholic man, because his selection is extremely sparse. Shed yourself from your sense of entitlement. Shed yourself from your feminism and modernism. Shed yourself from your premeditation, conniving, selfishness, harlotry, and manipulative ways. Shed yourself of your physical lethargy and lack of concern for your health. Shed yourself from your narcissism. Shed yourself from your contentiousness.

    You must be virtuous and chaste.  Adhere to the natural order of man and woman. You must have modesty, while having reasonable concern for your health and appearance. An inner beauty still emanates through the most physically vapid woman, thus, evoking an attraction from Godly men, if the woman isn't a neglectful, physical blob or a freak with cartoonish physical traits resulting from her own modern lifestyle & wretched personality that make her appear she should be standing out in the middle of a cornfield to scare the crows away.

    Love, serve & seek to please Jesus Christ and Blessed Mary above all. Don't rationalize your behavior or endeavors that are worldly.
    Solely being a Catholic man doesn't give you title to a good, Catholic woman for a wife. Since a good, holy, Catholic man is extremely rare in our society, don't think you can be lukewarm, at best, in your spirituality, and you can neglect your health and appearance, and your personality & cognitive domain can, variably, be a byproduct of this modern world, and all of this suffices in attaining a good, Catholic woman, because her selection is extremely sparse. Shed yourself from your sense of entitlement. Shed yourself from your misogyny and modernism. Shed yourself from your premeditation, conniving, selfishness, harlotry, and manipulative ways. Shed yourself of your physical lethargy and lack of concern for your health. Shed yourself from your narcissism. Shed yourself from your contentiousness.

    You must be virtuous and chaste.  Adhere to the natural order of man and woman. You must have modesty, while having reasonable concern for your health and appearance. An inner beauty still emanates through the most physically vapid man, thus, evoking an attraction from Godly women, if the man isn't a neglectful, physical blob or a freak with cartoonish physical traits resulting from his own modern lifestyle & wretched personality that make him appear he should be standing out in the middle of a cornfield to scare the crows away.

    Love, serve & seek to please Jesus Christ and Blessed Mary above all. Don't rationalize your behavior or endeavors that are worldly.
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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #32 on: July 02, 2018, 03:16:35 PM »
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    You need professional help, Pablo.
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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #33 on: July 02, 2018, 03:26:24 PM »
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  • I think that, ideally, we would have older men giving younger men exhortations on how to be more godly men and older women giving younger women exhortations on how to be more godly women.

    It is rarely effective to lecture the opposite sex (unless one is a priest or catechist or a similar position) because it sounds too much like complaining about them.  It seems especially bad for women to lecture at men because it comes across as a woman taking a position of authority over men.

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #34 on: July 03, 2018, 12:47:08 PM »
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  • I think that, ideally, we would have older men giving younger men exhortations on how to be more godly men and older women giving younger women exhortations on how to be more godly women.

    It is rarely effective to lecture the opposite sex (unless one is a priest or catechist or a similar position) because it sounds too much like complaining about them.  It seems especially bad for women to lecture at men because it comes across as a woman taking a position of authority over men.
    I agree with you that "It is rarely effective to lecture the opposite sex (unless one is a priest or catechist or a similar position) because it sounds too much like complaining about them." Where you lose me however, is your statement that " It seems especially bad for women to lecture at men because it comes across as a woman taking a position of authority over men."
    Let us be clear. When Christ is at the center of a Catholic marriage, the husband has authority over his wife. However that does not mean that men in general have authority over all women. Just as it would be wrong for a random woman to lecture men in general, so also it is wrong for a random man to lecture women in general. Such a man would have absolutely no authority over women.
    Even worse would be a poor injured man, possibly injured by a woman, spewing hatred at women -- irrationally generalizing that all women are like the one person who hurt him. Charity.
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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #35 on: July 03, 2018, 01:21:19 PM »
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  • I agree with you that "It is rarely effective to lecture the opposite sex (unless one is a priest or catechist or a similar position) because it sounds too much like complaining about them." Where you lose me however, is your statement that " It seems especially bad for women to lecture at men because it comes across as a woman taking a position of authority over men."
    Let us be clear. When Christ is at the center of a Catholic marriage, the husband has authority over his wife. However that does not mean that men in general have authority over all women. Just as it would be wrong for a random woman to lecture men in general, so also it is wrong for a random man to lecture women in general. Such a man would have absolutely no authority over women.
    While it might not be ideal for a random man to lecture women in general (for example, in the context of a forum like this) it is not wrong in the same way it would be if the positions were reversed.  A man lecturing women might be doing something inappropriate but a woman lecturing men is going against Scripture.

    [11] Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. (I Tim2)

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #36 on: July 03, 2018, 03:07:48 PM »
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    While it might not be ideal for a random man to lecture women in general (for example, in the context of a forum like this) it is not wrong in the same way it would be if the positions were reversed.  A man lecturing women might be doing something inappropriate but a woman lecturing men is going against Scripture.
    Exactly.  

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #37 on: July 03, 2018, 03:45:45 PM »
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  • While it might not be ideal for a random man to lecture women in general (for example, in the context of a forum like this) it is not wrong in the same way it would be if the positions were reversed.  A man lecturing women might be doing something inappropriate but a woman lecturing men is going against Scripture.

    [11] Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. (I Tim2)
    Standing up against a bully is well within appropriate behavior for a Catholic woman. It is not preaching or teaching.
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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #38 on: July 03, 2018, 04:26:37 PM »
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  • Standing up against a bully is well within appropriate behavior for a Catholic woman. It is not preaching or teaching.
    Perhaps some of Croix de Fer's posts might be characterized as bullying, but in this thread he gave us an exhortation to be godly Catholic women.  Telling women that we should be virtuous and chaste is not bullying and does not need people "standing up against" it.

    Disagree with him when he says something worth disagreeing with, but don't make it into a personal vendetta where everything he says comes under attack.

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #39 on: July 03, 2018, 04:28:57 PM »
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  • There isn't really anything wrong with this advice, although there is some question as to the poster's right/authority to be saying it.

    And a question of to whom he's even addressing the remarks.  I guess it's directed towards a generic Catholic woman who is lukewarm, doesn't care about her appearance, and yet feels entitled to a good Catholic husband?  I guess that they know who they are?  Otherwise, it's just a thinly-veiled rant against women in general ... or at the very least comes across that way to women.

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #40 on: July 03, 2018, 04:32:22 PM »
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  • You must shed yourself from the indoctrination. Your err in the default thinking that children should automatically go to the wife.

    I never said that they SHOULD automatically go to the wife.  I'm simply reacting the fact that they inevitably do in the modern court system (unless the wife is a criminal or drug addict or something along those lines).  And prenups cannot predetermine custody of the children if during the time of divorce the wife were to make a case to the judge that it's in the CHILDREN'S best interest to stay with the wife.  Children are not bound by the terms of a prenup contract.


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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #41 on: July 03, 2018, 04:33:30 PM »
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  • Standing up against a bully is well within appropriate behavior for a Catholic woman. It is not preaching or teaching.
    You're ignorant of the facts, and you expect female privilege. The fact is TxTradStalker, et al, initiated their attacks against me, and I only responded to her and them. In fact, on a different thread before these recent "Dowell threads", TxStalker went out of her way to render a passive-aggressive attack against me to try to stir things up, and I ignored it. 
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #42 on: July 03, 2018, 04:35:00 PM »
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  • And a question of to whom he's even addressing the remarks.  I guess it's directed towards a generic Catholic woman who is lukewarm, doesn't care about her appearance, and yet feels entitled to a good Catholic husband?  I guess that they know who they are?  Otherwise, it's just a thinly-veiled rant against women in general.
    He was talking about the problem of women having a sense of entitlement.  This is common enough that I do not see any problem with making it the subject of a "rant".

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #43 on: July 03, 2018, 04:35:32 PM »
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  • You're ignorant of the facts, and you expect female privilege. The fact is TxTradStalker, et al, initiated their attacks against me, and I only responded to her and them. In fact, on a different thread before these recent "Dowell threads", TxStalker went out of her way to render a passive-aggressive attack against me to try to stir things up.

    You seem to care a little bit too much about personal attacks.  Part of being a strong man is speaking the truth while not caring about what people think of you as a consequence.

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    Re: Hear, woman !
    « Reply #44 on: July 03, 2018, 04:49:12 PM »
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  • You seem to care a little bit too much about personal attacks.  Part of being a strong man is speaking the truth while not caring about what people think of you as a consequence.
    Another inversion of reality. Not one time did I mention personal attacks against me until AFTER Matthew told me to stop with my remarks about TxTradStalker. I only mentioned the attacks against me to plead my case that I was initiated against, and I'm only reacting...

    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)