Author Topic: Hear, woman ! (Read 4789 times)

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #15 on:** June 24, 2018, 07:34:59 PM »

Quote from: Nadir on June 24, 2018, 07:32:43 PM

I couldn't work out the gender by looking at the image, but if you say so, it is probably a female, but doesn't appear to be a lady, while wearing a butch hairdo and a man's singlet.

Hear what she says and counter it.

Stop with the ad hominem fallacy.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #16 on:** June 24, 2018, 07:39:57 PM »

I didn't make it past the first example because it has no bearing on Trad marriages. Trad women generally don't have incomes and if they do it's supplemental. Point me toward where she discusses a situation that applies.

Jaynek · « **Reply #17 on:** June 24, 2018, 07:49:29 PM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 07:34:59 PM

Hear what she says and counter it.

Stop with the ad hominem fallacy.

She is basically giving a defense of MGTOW. She describes various ways in which the system is unfair to men to show that it reasonable for them to avoid marriage. She is saying that it is not irresponsible, as Jordan Peterson claims. I do not recall anything in defense of prenups.

I agree with her that you should not get married.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #18 on:** June 24, 2018, 07:58:50 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek on June 24, 2018, 07:49:29 PM

She is basically giving a defense of MGTOW. She describes various ways in which the system is unfair to men to show that it reasonable for them to avoid marriage. She is saying that it is not irresponsible, as Jordan Peterson claims. I do not recall anything in defense of prenups.

I agree with her that you should not get married.

But some of the anecdotes that she gives is reason to get a prenup, if the man is considering marriage.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #19 on:** June 24, 2018, 08:01:00 PM »

At the end of the day, it's your choice to marry the woman. If you can't trust her enough not to be scheming to rip you off, then you shouldn't marry her in the first place. As for child support and alimony in the event that something unforeseen arises, you owe that to them anyway before God.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #20 on:** June 24, 2018, 08:06:29 PM »

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Ladislaus says:

At the end of the day, it's your choice to marry the woman. If you can't trust her enough not to be scheming to rip you off, then you shouldn't marry her in the first place.

If she can't trust the man's lead to get a prenup, then the man most definitely shouldn't marry her. She has bad intentions. At the very least, she will be disobedient. Litmus Test failed.

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Ladislaus says:

As for child support and alimony in the event that something unforeseen arises, you owe that to them anyway before God.

You must shed yourself from the indoctrination. Your err in the default thinking that children should automatically go to the wife.

The prenup should include the man keeping the children, if he isn't provably guilty of putting them in any kind of danger.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #21 on:** June 24, 2018, 08:07:55 PM »

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I highly recommend this video by Fr. Ripperger.
It's excellent for anyone who is currently distracted from the Catholic meaning of what a man is.
The Latin word for man is vir.
It's no small coincidence that vir is the root word of virtue.
What does it mean when a man has virtue, or is virtuous? It means he has attributes of a real man.
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To the modern ear, some of the things Fr. has to say here are shocking.
For example, how often have you heard reference to a promiscuous man implied as manly because of his "conquests?"
Fr. explains why a man who seeks multiple women for serving his pleasure is not manly at all, but effeminate!
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Jaynek · « **Reply #22 on:** June 24, 2018, 08:14:02 PM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 07:58:50 PM

But some of the anecdotes that she gives is reason to get a prenup, if the man is considering marriage.

No, they are reasons to not marry at all. You seem to think that a prenup will make it possible to marry while escaping the evil system. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

Given your view of marriage and of women, you should not be considering marriage. A prenup is not going to make you capable of marriage.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #23 on:** June 24, 2018, 08:18:24 PM »

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Any man who is starting to think that a prenuptial agreement might somehow solve any problem ought to study what Fr. Ripperger has to say in the video above and in other videos he has made over the years. There are a number of them.
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Croix de Fer · « **Reply #24 on:** June 24, 2018, 08:37:26 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek on June 24, 2018, 08:14:02 PM

No, they are reasons to not marry at all. You seem to think that a prenup will make it possible to marry while escaping the evil system. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

Given your view of marriage and of women, you should not be considering marriage. A prenup is not going to make you capable of marriage.

Another dumb, subjective opinion that's not a real argument. You're now trying to steer the subject to what I, personally, should or should not do, because you've lost the argument.

You can't counter the fact that a man should marry a woman who is willing to get a prenup, thereby he is protected from the courts & her at a later time, if she divorced him for reasons that go against the legal text of the prenup. In other words, she can't take his money, house, etc. If she agrees to it, and he asks her to get married, and they marry, it's a win-win situation. That is true love. She truly loves him by her obedience to get a prenup, and she shows no premeditative ill-will, and he obviously loves her, for he wouldn't have asked her to marry him.

Cantarella · « **Reply #25 on:** June 24, 2018, 08:43:19 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 24, 2018, 08:18:24 PM

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Any man who is starting to think that a prenuptial agreement might somehow solve any problem ought to study what Fr. Ripperger has to say in the video above and in other videos he has made over the years. There are a number of them.
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There are many seemingly "masculine" men in the surface who are quite effeminate in reality, such as the average victimized MGTOW. One of the most evident characteristics of the effeminate man is the total aversion to anything which requires sacrifice and suffering. Effeminate men tend to flee from anything that is not pleasurable. They also do not take risks. True masculine men are as scarce as true feminine women nowadays.

This article has a list of how the vice of effeminacy manifest itself in men:

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* A pathological refusal to deal with objective reality (intense normalcy bias, self-delusion)

* Hatred of exertion

* An intense aversion to helping others (because helping almost always involves exertion)

* The refusal to voluntarily take on ANY hardship, discomfort, or… wait for it… SUFFERING

* Lashing out at virile people as a defense mechanism

* Need for human respect

* Hypersensitivity, easily “triggered”, often in “pissy moods”

* Intense judgmentalism and hyper-criticality

* Inordinate attachment to money – tightfistedness, stinginess

* Intense selfishness and self-absorption

* Sense of entitlement, especially to other peoples’ money

* Narcissism, both grandiose and vulnerable

* Incessant bitching, criticizing and complaining while refusing to act or charitably instruct others

* Shunning personal responsibility, most especially taking responsibility for the actions of others or for no-fault accidents

* Perpetual victimhood, oftentimes due to premeditated self-sabotage

* Reducing Christianity to the merely theoretical, confined exclusively to the domain of ideas, utterly divorced from concrete action

* Liturgical fetishism, “empty eggshell” Catholicism

" If we look at St. Thomas’ words in the Summa in Article 1 of Question 138 of the Second Part of the Second Part, we see that at the core of the vice of effeminacy is a pathological aversion to a lack of pleasure, that is to say, an aversion to anything even remotely unpleasant, most especially any sort of exertion (work) or voluntary suffering".

TxTrad · « **Reply #26 on:** June 25, 2018, 03:47:39 AM »

Quote from: Jaynek on June 24, 2018, 07:49:29 PM

I agree with her that you should not get married.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #27 on:** June 25, 2018, 03:51:22 AM »

Quote from: TxTrad on June 25, 2018, 03:47:39 AM

:jester:I agree with her that you should not get married.

It definitely wouldn't be to a pig like you.

And why are you stalking me on CathInfo?

TxTrad · « **Reply #28 on:** June 25, 2018, 04:01:47 AM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 08:06:29 PM

The prenup should include the man keeping the children, if he isn't provably guilty of putting them in any kind of danger.

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Divorce is a no-no. Annulments are legitimate as the Church stipulates. This, however, does not free either spouse from their obligations to their children: the father as provider, the mother as nurterer. Hence the prudence behind the mothers being awarded the children and the fathers providing child support.
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TxTrad · « **Reply #29 on:** June 25, 2018, 04:10:19 AM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 25, 2018, 03:51:22 AM

And why are you stalking me on CathInfo?

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I must hate my husband and secretly have a thing for you. :barf:
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