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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: AspiringToHeaven on July 28, 2021, 09:43:21 AM
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In view of the catastrophic state of the modern family combined with the prohibition of any corporal punishment of wives and prohibition of any serious corporal punishment of children, could it be that corporal punishment, of both children and wives, is now vastly underrated? Men have been almost entirely deprived of the legal use of force over their families. Could this have something to do with why fathers now enjoy so little respect? :confused:
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Yes. I received corporal punishment when I was a kid every so often and it worked. I've also used it sparingly with my kids, and it works. The reason people are so soft today is because they were never sufficiently punished as children.
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Also, families have way way too much luxuries and not enough chores.
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Yes. I received corporal punishment when I was a kid every so often and it worked. I've also used it sparingly with my kids, and it works. The reason people are so soft today is because they were never sufficiently punished as children.
Why sparingly? Doesn't that just encourage the kids to test the boundaries more?
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Here is something my parents did right. Corporal punishment consisted of swats on the bottom, nowhere else, with a strap. Whatever our age, we got that many. They were administered correctives, not in anger. It was explained why, if necessary. Corporal punishment was for moral offenses, not for childishness, immaturity, or minor issues. Spanking stopped with the first signs of puberty. After that, corporal punishment consisted usually, of vigorous exercises, think, getting “smoked” in the military. Dad administered the corporal part of punishments, not Mom, unless we were very young, up to ages 4 or 5. It was used sparingly.
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Godlessness, feminism and "divorce" ended the family.
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Why sparingly? Doesn't that just encourage the kids to test the boundaries more?
Because there's the risk of capitulating to anger whenever the kids are misbehaving and resorting immediately to corporal punishment.
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Also, families have way way too much luxuries and not enough chores.
Agreed. There is little need for corporal punishment if everyone is working hard and contributing to the family, instead of indulging in so many extracurriculars.
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Has the Decline of Corporal Punishment Eroded the Family?
No.
My father never hit us. My grandfather never hit my father. They were both pillars of the community, entrepreneurs, industrialist. They raised their children to be leaders. If my father was upset you knew it. There was no need for belts, slaps, and paddles and such. I always thought that a father hitting his children is an American Protestant thing and my family is neither.
What has eroded the family is the loss of the Faith.
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Traditionally, the corporal punishment of wives did much good. No?
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Traditionally, the corporal punishment of wives did much good. No?
I do not know that tradition. Sounds like something a weak defeated man would do.
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I do not know that tradition. Sounds like something a weak defeated man would do.
That’s the required modern response, of course. But is it the true response?
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That’s the required modern response, of course. But is it the true response?
Chastisement of children is in the Bible.
Where do you find support for wife beating in Scripture or Tradition?
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No.
My father never hit us. My grandfather never hit my father. They were both pillars of the community, entrepreneurs, industrialist. They raised their children to be leaders. If my father was upset you knew it. There was no need for belts, slaps, and paddles and such. I always thought that a father hitting his children is an American Protestant thing and my family is neither.
What has eroded the family is the loss of the Faith.
Any corporal punishment I ever received was rare, mild, and entirely deserved. I did not cause a lot of problems as a child. I generally didn't grow up with CP as something acceptable. My grandfather had the same philosophy.
I have chosen not to administer CP to my son. For one thing, in a divorce situation, even if I wanted to use it --- and I do not --- it could always be used against me. The courts favor women, because society favors women, and it is only my having gotten probably the best divorce attorney in our state (he was not cheap), and her having gotten a joke of a divorce attorney (left the country under very strange circuмstances), that I came out as well as I did, and have been able to be the guiding force in my son's life. His mother has not seen him in over a year, ostensibly due to the pandemic, and she lives 15 minutes away with her mortally sinful, invalid, and illicit consort. She does not yet know about my father, she will know when I choose to tell her, probably in a few days. My father requested no obituary.
As for my son, while I do not administer CP, I do not hesitate to read him the Riot Act when this is merited. He knows when he's messed up.
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Chastisement of children is in the Bible.
Where do you find support for wife beating in Scripture or Tradition?
I find no support for wife “beating” in either Scripture or Tradition. I do find support for corporal discipline of wives in both Scripture and Tradition. Look into it. I will not do the work for you.
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I do find support for corporal discipline of wives in both Scripture and Tradition.
One man's "corporal discipline" of wives is another's wife beating. Let's cut to the chase: What is your method in detail?
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One man's "corporal discipline" of wives is another's wife beating. Let's cut to the chase: What is your method in detail?
I've kind of wondered that myself. Do you hold her over your knee and spank her, as you would a child? Something more dramatic? What?
And in this "idealized" environment, does she ever tell anyone? Would she ever admit to it? Would she ever tell the other wives, and if they were these "idealized" traditional Catholic wives, would they approve? What would her thoughts be? Would she think "I deserved that, I was bad, I need my husband to discipline me when I am bad"? Or would it be a case of "I don't care what she thinks about it, I'm the husband and that's that"?
I'm just struggling to get my head around this concept. I tend more to think that when a larger, stronger person overpowers a smaller, weaker person, all that has established, is that the big one can whip the little one.
And let's say your son is 6'3" and 165 pounds. How does that work?
I know I may be speaking heresy in the eyes of some, but I'm just asking questions. I can probably count the number of times on one hand that my father ever gently chastised me, and have fingers left over. I've heard of fathers forcing their sons to lie down on the bed and get whipped across the bare back with a belt. How does that work? Does the son reflect, on the day he buries his father, what a good father he had?
This probably isn't the week for me to be discussing the merits of different ways of fathering, but again, I'm just asking questions.
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I echo SimpleMan's questions....
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Is Croix back?