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Offline solitary Man

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thank you for everything
« on: December 09, 2023, 07:04:23 PM »
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    • Firstly I want to apologize for posting here
    I've been feeling a hatred lately that doesn't go away, as some people know, my mother is going through an unpleasant moment of divorce, and she has no support from any Catholic!
    I recently met a lovely 29 year old youtuber whore, fan of Pope Francis, single, mother who loves her, successful and has never been through any emotional abuse, making a video about divorce, according to her divorce should never be approved in any case ,none!! in the comments of the videos a 50 year old woman commenting on her abusive husband the young whore replied "you should know you better in dating, now turn around because at the altar it was said in sickness and in health" I know I can't wish harm for someone, but that day I dreamed of her dying with cancer in her butt and I woke up happy!
    Catholics love to criticize those who get divorced, but they never give support to those who need it! (yes I know the doctrine, council, catechism and the Bible) maybe I'm a miserable person who shouldn't be in Catholicism because I have an abusive and controlling father, because According to some Catholics he is a saint!
    Please, I know the church's position on divorce, but please, if possible, help and support those who need it, divorce in need and without anyone supporting you is torture!
    Maybe I should leave because apparently my mother is not worthy of support and mercy and neither am I!
    thanks for reading !
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    Offline Incredulous

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    Re: thank you for everything
    « Reply #1 on: December 09, 2023, 07:18:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: solitary Man on December 09, 2023, 07:04:23 PM
    Firstly I want to apologize for posting here
    I've been feeling a hatred lately that doesn't go away, as some people know, my mother is going through an unpleasant moment of divorce, and she has no support from any Catholic!
    I recently met a lovely 29 year old youtuber whore, fan of Pope Francis, single, mother who loves her, successful and has never been through any emotional abuse, making a video about divorce, according to her divorce should never be approved in any case ,none!! in the comments of the videos a 50 year old woman commenting on her abusive husband the young whore replied "you should know you better in dating, now turn around because at the altar it was said in sickness and in health" I know I can't wish harm for someone, but that day I dreamed of her dying with cancer in her butt and I woke up happy!
    Catholics love to criticize those who get divorced, but they never give support to those who need it! (yes I know the doctrine, council, catechism and the Bible) maybe I'm a miserable person who shouldn't be in Catholicism because I have an abusive and controlling father, because According to some Catholics he is a saint!
    Please, I know the church's position on divorce, but please, if possible, help and support those who need it, divorce in need and without anyone supporting you is torture!
    Maybe I should leave because apparently my mother is not worthy of support and mercy and neither am I!
    thanks for reading !

    Could your Mother have refused divorce and opted for a permanent, chaste separation?
    Just askin :popcorn:
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    Re: thank you for everything
    « Reply #2 on: December 09, 2023, 07:21:09 PM »
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    • If you are not already, you should pray the Rosary daily for your family. Pray with your family, if possible. It is probably best to avoid watching whatever you have been on Youtube, it does not sound like it has done any good for your soul

    Have you tired seeking out a Traditional priest for advice?
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    If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you [John 15:108

    Offline SimpleMan

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    Re: thank you for everything
    « Reply #3 on: December 09, 2023, 09:22:18 PM »
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    • Everyone should be, as you put it, "in Catholicism".  There is only one true religion, and Catholicism is it.

    Though I take no pride in it whatsoever, I am divorced.  It's a horrible thing and there's nothing "good" about it.  I am not free to "remarry", and I live celibately, while my wife is taken up with another man whom she "married" illicitly and, of course, invalidly.  (To be fair, so far as I am aware, there was no involvement between my wife and her consort before our separation, seemingly she met him later.)  I am still bound by this union, and matters will probably remain as they are for the rest of my life.  Bachelor life does have its points, and thank God, my son is with me full-time, I homeschool him (I am retired), and he hasn't seen his mother in years.  My own mother, who lives with us since my father died, is basically his "mother figure", and a good one she is.  She has been gravely ill, and received Extreme Unction a few days ago, thankfully, she survived her health emergency, and has adopted a new life of prayer from her sick bed.

    I do condemn divorce in no uncertain terms, even though I myself am in that situation, and no divorce is ever 100% one spouse's fault or the other.  I am a practicing traditional Catholic and I attend the TLM, everyone knows I live celibately, and no one's ever given me any grief over my life circuмstances --- if they have an issue with me, I'd much prefer that they say it to my face, than talk about me behind my back.  So far as I am aware, no one does that.

    I hope this helps.  Pax te.
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    Re: thank you for everything
    « Reply #4 on: December 10, 2023, 11:36:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on December 09, 2023, 07:18:20 PM
    Could your Mother have refused divorce and opted for a permanent, chaste separation?
    Just askin :popcorn:
    99% certainty marriage is null
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    Re: thank you for everything
    « Reply #5 on: December 10, 2023, 11:40:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on December 09, 2023, 09:22:18 PM
    Everyone should be, as you put it, "in Catholicism".  There is only one true religion, and Catholicism is it.

    Though I take no pride in it whatsoever, I am divorced.  It's a horrible thing and there's nothing "good" about it.  I am not free to "remarry", and I live celibately, while my wife is taken up with another man whom she "married" illicitly and, of course, invalidly.  (To be fair, so far as I am aware, there was no involvement between my wife and her consort before our separation, seemingly she met him later.)  I am still bound by this union, and matters will probably remain as they are for the rest of my life.  Bachelor life does have its points, and thank God, my son is with me full-time, I homeschool him (I am retired), and he hasn't seen his mother in years.  My own mother, who lives with us since my father died, is basically his "mother figure", and a good one she is.  She has been gravely ill, and received Extreme Unction a few days ago, thankfully, she survived her health emergency, and has adopted a new life of prayer from her sick bed.

    I do condemn divorce in no uncertain terms, even though I myself am in that situation, and no divorce is ever 100% one spouse's fault or the other.  I am a practicing traditional Catholic and I attend the TLM, everyone knows I live celibately, and no one's ever given me any grief over my life circuмstances --- if they have an issue with me, I'd much prefer that they say it to my face, than talk about me behind my back.  So far as I am aware, no one does that.

    I hope this helps.
    Believe me, in my case it was a relief, living with someone who mentally abuses you is horrible
    I feel so sorry for you and your son!
    You say that you condemn divorce in unequivocal terms and when your spouse takes away the peace of your home or is a dishonorable and traitorous person?
    deus vult
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    Re: thank you for everything
    « Reply #6 on: December 10, 2023, 12:27:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: solitary Man on December 09, 2023, 07:04:23 PM
    Catholics love to criticize those who get divorced, but they never give support to those who need it!

    There are situations that justify (and even suggest) separation.  That happens all the time, and nobody would criticize a necessary separation.  Nevertheless, the doctrine is clear that the bond remains until death, and the person thus separated cannot then shack up with someone else (in a pretend new marriage).  This distinction between separation and divorice/remarriage appears to have been lost on this "Youtuber" that you put way too much stock in.
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    Re: thank you for everything
    « Reply #7 on: December 10, 2023, 12:32:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on December 09, 2023, 09:22:18 PM
    I do condemn divorce in no uncertain terms, even though I myself am in that situation, and no divorce is ever 100% one spouse's fault or the other.

    Divorce is merely a legal construct to deal with the disposition of property, etc. ... and (wrongly) custody of the children ... during a separation.  For a Catholic, divorce encompasses the legal aspects of divorce.  Where we get off the boat is in holding that one who is thus divorced or separated cannot have any subsequent relations or cohabitation with another until the spouse dies and the bond dissolved.  While FEW divorces are 100% one spouse's fault, I've run across several that were at least 99.9% one spouse's fault (if not the full 100%) and in most cases, there's at least a 90-10 or 80-20 breakdown in terms of responsibility, and often the minority position (the 10 or 20) is due to the fact that the other individual made life almost unbearable for the other, to the point that they responded in a way that exacerbated the situation.  Apart from being in possession of heroic sanctity, there are only so many cheeks that can be turned before you've been pummeled half to death, and the only way to appease the abuser is to 100% surrender, rendering family life utterly disordered and probably worse than a separation scenario ... and even after 100% surrender, the abuse would likely resume, for no reason, after a temporary respite, since at that point the abuser would lose even more respect for the victim, and therefore resent the victim that much more.
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    Re: thank you for everything
    « Reply #8 on: December 10, 2023, 01:13:28 PM »
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    • I hope when you say divorce you mean separation, that is, one spouse left and now the other must live celibately.
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