Author Topic: Harlot Outreach Initiative? A good idea or a silly dangerous thing? (Read 7935 times)

Desmond · « **Reply #30 on:** March 22, 2016, 03:06:36 PM »

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Harlot Outreach Initiative? A good idea or a silly dangerous thing?

And the consensus is: a silly dangerous thing.

Desmond, it is the height of arrogance to ask us for our opinion and when we give it you call us "unsaved".

Sorry, I've been reading too much Protestant literature. Unsaved makes no sense in a Catholic way, especially in our times.

But anyway it wasn't intended as an insult.

Desmond · « **Reply #31 on:** March 22, 2016, 03:07:53 PM »

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Also, you were really hard on everyone who is trying to give you advice.

I have seen people who were really lost and turned themselves around. Jesus even says "go and sin no more.

Confession regularly helps a lot too.

It wasn't my intention to be hard on anyone. I just was surprised by the reactions.

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Desmond, you really misunderstood what I said. I never said that you would lose your faith by helping someone. I was just noticing that in the past you were away from the Catholic faith.

No, sorry, it wasn't directly aimed at you, I just used your answer as a starting point to express that notion, I knew what you meant.

Desmond · « **Reply #32 on:** March 22, 2016, 03:08:56 PM »

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You should go to the NO Latin Mass.

But I believe it to be invalid, because I believe NO Rite of Ordination to be void.

Without getting into debates, regardless of the actual status, I cannot very well go to a Mass I find dubious.

Desmond · « **Reply #33 on:** March 22, 2016, 03:15:44 PM »

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I expected this kind of gutter-thoughts from the unsaved, who automatically assume a Man can only have interest in a woman for sensual reasons.. but it isn't the case.

I always liked the company of women, true, but often devoid of romantic or sensual feelings. It is not my fault others are unable to separate the person (even including her femininity) from the woman as such.

This tends to belie a modernist understanding of male & female relationships.

Yes on the surface it did look like that, but I didn't mean it that way.
I was just trying to convey that two people of the opposite sex can theoretically spend time together without any ulterior motive, and enjoy each other's company not only as people (neutral) but also in light of their specific sex-derived qualities.

For instance, what I like most about women's company is their femininity (hopefully) permeating every aspect of their mannerism, thought-process and emotivity among others.

Desmond · « **Reply #34 on:** March 22, 2016, 03:18:02 PM »

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Why did you ask the question if you already decided it's a great idea and any other input must be from the gutter?

I'm actually not sure it is a great idea still.

What I objected about is the criticism focusing primarily and overtly on the physical, while the risks are others, including: emotional, logistical, inter-relational etc.

Desmond · « **Reply #35 on:** March 22, 2016, 03:29:25 PM »

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Why did you ask the question if you already decided it's a great idea and any other input must be from the gutter?

I did not say or even imply that. Only some specific comments seemed to be that way, and objectively may very well be.

And I reiterate, they way someone expressed himself, it looks as if implying you (I) shouldn't ever even attempt to relate to these women because I'd end up sinning with them, which is frankly offensive and simplistic.

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Don't kid yourself. There are plenty of places these girls can go hang out if they truly don't want to be in the bars.

Of course there are. Maybe countless. But the problem is not the place but why they choose to be there in the first place.

tl;dr (as the kids say, and don't really know what it means): it was a metaphor, I did not literally mean the literal place would change anything in itself.

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Running to the arms of yet another random guy, a very proud one

Again this is simply an exaggeration on your part(the running to the arms bit).
And I try not to be proud, as what I said it's a realistic account of what actually happened.

I'm not saying I have some special gifts or anything, maybe I'm not that into womyn in the first place, and therefore the female lures are almost totally ineffective on me. Maybe I'm one of those "a-sɛҳuąƖs" freaks.

I don't know what else to tell people. I admitted from the get go I am almost illiterate, ignorant, a sinner etc... yet I will not fake to be something I'm not out of convenience or believability.

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who may be Catholic but doesn't practice any part of it, isn't the answer.

Well that's not entirely true, and besides not a voluntary choice.

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Infatuation is what is motivating you, it is very clear to all but you.

Infatuation towards whom exactly?

These random womyn, two of which I met just in the last few days, randomly?

And disgusting at that?

What I would say motivates me, is, in order:

-Boredom
-Paternal instinct
-Compassion
-unconscious desire of finding a mate insurmountable difficulties notwithstanding

If I were to have to objectively view at my situation.

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And your responses insisting that you could never fall? Take a moment to hear yourself.

I never said I could never fall.

In fact I know I almost surely will fall, but not for the reasons you guys said.

I know my weakness and the most probable cause of my eventual fall very well.

In fact, I must admit I have already fallen, to my shame.

Desmond · « **Reply #36 on:** March 30, 2016, 02:18:31 PM »

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Bro, you wrote "even if I did gave [sic] into temptations (which I won't)..."

Bro, thank you for the "bro".

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You started this thread barely a month after you started another thread with these lines:

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As you may know, I've opted for a celibate lifestyle a few months ago, in an attempt to avoid sin and wordly corruption.

It's gone extremely well and in fact I now rarely even get a glimpse of a carnal thought.

However, lately, in the last weeks or so, the world started to lure me back, with desires of companionship and haunting memories of my past romantic life.

Not at all sinful, yet temptations to try once again to mingle with what I know to be dangers.

Yes I did. The two are different things.

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If you have any desire to save your soul, stop now and find a confessor. If you want to burn in Hell for all eternity, proceed.

Dramatic much bro?

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It is up to you. God will simply place a bow on whichever gift you've given your own soul.

You see, what you and all the others fail to realise, it's that true and rotten Harlots are much more safer than do-goody decent ladies (by secular standards). All of whom, btw, are also whores.

With the latter, you might be fooled into trying a relationship and slowly and inadvertently slip back in sin (dating, fornicating, cohabitation).

There's the illusion they might be "right" for you, and temptation to follow one's romantic thoughts unblocked by any strong adversion... all so innocent yet so DEADLY.

It is much more subtle yet more devious.. in fact that's how most people nowdays are disobeying the Lord. They do not even realise it and think of themselves as "good people".

With the former, i.e. real genuine shameless harlots, the menace and danger is all out in the open.. they are disgusting and their manners direct.

That's how I got the idea in the first place.

Hope I explained myself relatively clearly bro.

Thanks for your advice btw.

Desmond · « **Reply #37 on:** March 30, 2016, 02:30:35 PM »

I guess enough time has passed for an update on the situation:

1)NA

2)I've been seeing her quite a lot. I'm explaining her basic concepts and manners, as she is basically feral. She's also quite stupid, but that makes things easier.

I like her company, she's sweet, even though she's quite aggressive in her harlotry (but I've seen much much worse). She also doesn't seem to be interested in giving up any of her whoredom.

Turns out she's also american, which you might like about her.

3)As far as I can tell she hates me.

I also met (goes without saying) several other whores. For instance a real nice semi-obese goth (possibly slav of some kind).

Tomorrow night I'm going out with a colleague and his whore, which btw is a truly sad story: she was about to enter a (N.O.) convent, as she allegedly heard "God" call her, but then for some reason became a complete and total s**t instead. This was maybe 6-8 months ago? I'm gonna investigate. Oh, and a friend of hers, who doesn't seem to be much of a whore, but I bet she actually is.

Also I have to say this endeavour helped immensely with my mood and to take my mind off my future of misery, loneliness, poverty and ultimately my cats eating my corpse to avoid starvation.

Desmond · « **Reply #38 on:** March 30, 2016, 02:36:09 PM »

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Ok, even if I did gave into temptations (which I won't) it's not as if I don't have already about 3,000,000 unconfessed mortal sins on my count already.

Was this a typographical error?

No it wasn't. Fact is I have 20 (18?) years of unconfessed sins on my tired ol' soul.
I think I'm pretty much screwed, as I can't even begin to remember most of them anyway.

Hopefully, by trying to conform to everything the Lord requires of me for the rest of my life, I might be spared an eternity of torment.

But I'm doubtful.

Having said that, even if I were to be absolutely certain of my eventual damnation, I still would do everything I can to obey God, as it is the right thing to do.

Nadir · « **Reply #39 on:** March 30, 2016, 04:06:36 PM »

Desmond, you do need to confess. I know you don't live near a traditional priest (that you know of). Maybe someone here knows of a priest who lives in your vicinity but you have been coy about telling us where you live.

How is your prayer life? You say you don't have access to the Holy Sacrifice and the sacraments and you seem to have an aversion to praying the Rosary.

Now in the latter posts you sound a bit blase about going to eternal damnation.

It is just not possible for a person who is loaded down with sin to rescue women from sin. You really seem to be deceiving yourself.

Btw, how is your father, now?

Ursus · « **Reply #40 on:** March 30, 2016, 05:17:38 PM »

:roll-laugh2:

Wow. I'm surprised to see this thread get 14-15 pages deep. You all indulged this spiritual lunacy?

Sounds like a misguided attempt to turn around a trainwreck woman and marry. Likely there's temptation and sin to be passed around.

Find a decent faithful catholic woman and you'll be fine.

wallflower · « **Reply #41 on:** March 30, 2016, 07:45:17 PM »

I don't understand why you don't take the energy you are hell bent on putting into "harlots" and put it into yourself. YOU are the one who really needs and would actually benefit from your outreach initiative.

You seem set on these women because they make you feel good. They are such messes that they make you feel put together. They make you feel intelligent. Were you to meet a nice traditional Catholic girl, heck even a nice (practicing) NO girl, she would be spiritually way out of your league and you know it. But instead of doing the actual work it would take to reform yourself, you are looking for ANY other way to keep up the pretense that you're doing ok. Like mingling with people who seem worse off than you.

What you don't realize is you are expending the same amount of energy! A life of sin seems like the path of least resistance and the easier way but the headaches and horror and torment that already begin in this life (and give you a taste of hell in the next) cause 1000X the headache it would be to just get to confession already.

The way to heaven and hell are both difficult. People are working hard everyday for one or the other. If the same energy is spent, why not spend it right? It's a no-brainer! Forget the girls and spend whatever time you would have spent on them this week in doing an examination of conscience and planning a trip to a chapel for confession.

Graham · « **Reply #42 on:** March 30, 2016, 08:28:42 PM »

Quote from: Desmond

I guess enough time has passed for an update on the situation:

1)NA

2)I've been seeing her quite a lot. I'm explaining her basic concepts and manners, as she is basically feral. She's also quite stupid, but that makes things easier.

I like her company, she's sweet, even though she's quite aggressive in her harlotry (but I've seen much much worse). She also doesn't seem to be interested in giving up any of her whoredom.

Turns out she's also american, which you might like about her.

3)As far as I can tell she hates me.

I also met (goes without saying) several other whores. For instance a real nice semi-obese goth (possibly slav of some kind).

Tomorrow night I'm going out with a colleague and his whore, which btw is a truly sad story: she was about to enter a (N.O.) convent, as she allegedly heard "God" call her, but then for some reason became a complete and total s**t instead. This was maybe 6-8 months ago? I'm gonna investigate. Oh, and a friend of hers, who doesn't seem to be much of a whore, but I bet she actually is.

Also I have to say this endeavour helped immensely with my mood and to take my mind off my future of misery, loneliness, poverty and ultimately my cats eating my corpse to avoid starvation.

As amusing as this commentary is, I will also register disapproval of your HO Initiative. We saw that GaJєωski had a similar "apostolate," and if he does it, it's probably a bad idea. I don't pretend to know your motives but the whole thing is harebrained, not least because you almost certainly won't convert people whom you secretly despise.

Desmond · « **Reply #43 on:** March 31, 2016, 01:39:18 AM »

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Desmond, you do need to confess. I know you don't live near a traditional priest (that you know of).

The problem Nadir is I do not recall most of them. By my estimation we're talking about several thousands.

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Maybe someone here knows of a priest who lives in your vicinity but you have been coy about telling us where you live.

I doubt that, and telling people on the internets (and in particular on this site) where I live is not safe.

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How is your prayer life?

Good, thank you Nadir.

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You say you don't have access to the Holy Sacrifice and the sacraments

No, I said there's an indult NO mass and a SSPX chapel 300 km away.

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and you seem to have an aversion to praying the Rosary.

I don't, it's just I do not feel compelled to do so.

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Now in the latter posts you sound a bit blase about going to eternal damnation.

Well, checkin the facts, it would seem like a fair assessment.
After all, nearly everyone is.

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It is just not possible for a person who is loaded down with sin to rescue women from sin. You really seem to be deceiving yourself.

First of all, that is entirely false. As God can even use heathens as instruments for His plan.

Secondly, I'm not even talking about "saving" someone from sin, just help them to better themselves out of their complete misery.

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Btw, how is your father, now?

He's out of the hospital but it seems his recovery will take several months.

Thank you for asking.

Desmond · « **Reply #44 on:** March 31, 2016, 01:42:32 AM »

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:roll-laugh2:

Wow. I'm surprised to see this thread get 14-15 pages deep. You all indulged this spiritual lunacy?

Your useless comment added yet another bit to my thread, thank you.

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Sounds like a misguided attempt to turn around a trainwreck woman and marry.

It does sound like that to you because you didn't bother to read it in its entirety and possibly find complex thoughts challenging.

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Likely there's temptation and sin to be passed around.

That's for sure.

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Find a decent faithful catholic woman and you'll be fine.

Yes! Why didn't I think of this before?!?
I'll write Santa asap.