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Halloween originated in ireland
« on: October 31, 2025, 11:02:06 AM »
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  • Cerith Gardiner - published on 10/25/22 - updated on 10/29/25

    Contrary to what you might believe, the origins of this festive occasion derive from our Gaelic brothers and sisters.
    With today being Halloween, it's interesting to look at the origins behind this popular celebration. While many people look at this spooky night as being rooted in American culture (as some of its traditions are), it is in fact partly derived from an ancient Irish tradition called Samhain.

    Samhain was a festival celebrated across Eire to mark the end of the harvest period, and the beginning of the darker half of the year. As a result, the Irish would make bonfires and take part in rituals on the night of October 31. These events were said to connect the spiritual world with the real world for a short moment in time.

    Evil spirits were believed to roam around, and only incantations and strange rituals could prevent them from doing harm. People would actually get disguised to try and fool these spirits into leaving them alone. And the "trick or treating" that our children take part in today is similar to the Irish children of yesteryear dressing up and going door-to-door to gather gifts, fuel for fires, and food that would be contributed to the Samhain feasts.

    During these feasts the souls of loved ones and friends who'd passed away would be invited to join in the festivities, with a place being set at the table for them.

    Along with the joyous feasting, friends might play pranks on each other and blame them on the evil spirits that were roaming around.

    The Church in Ireland Christianized the festival in around the 19th century, but the pranks and the door-to-door collections remained an integral part of the event. And turnips rather than pumpkins would be used to make the jack-o-lanterns we so commonly associate with Halloween.

    The Irish tradition arrives in America

    While in America Halloween wasn't approved of by the more Puritanical society, when the Irish potato famine hit in the 1840s, millions of Irish turned up in America and brought with them their love of Halloween.

    Over time the pranks became tamer, the costumes more elaborate, and the pumpkin became the vegetable of choice for carving lanterns. A tradition called "souling" and baking “soul cakes” in honor of the faithful in various cultures of Europe was also an influence in America, and came from various cultures in Europe.

    Today Halloween has become more commercialized, and the notion of celebrating the end of the harvest period has more or less been ignored. However, what is proving popular among Catholic families is to use the occasion to dress their kids up as favorite saints, or even popes, to go off trick or treating.

    Thankfully, in the Catholic Church we are also able to celebrate All Soul's Day around this time of year, and it provides us with the perfect opportunity to commemorate our faithfully departed.

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    Re: Halloween originated in ireland
    « Reply #1 on: October 31, 2025, 06:23:11 PM »
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  • Soo if some children come to my door and trick or treat I can give them treats? 
    "Come to me, all you that labour, and are burdened, and I will refresh you." St. Matthew 11:28 


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  • I ended up giving out these fruit bars lol 
    "Come to me, all you that labour, and are burdened, and I will refresh you." St. Matthew 11:28 

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    « Reply #3 on: November 01, 2025, 07:35:26 AM »
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    Soo if some children come to my door and trick or treat I can give them treats?

    They do and did last night in Ieland bookofbirds. All 'TRICK OR TREATING.'

    In my story Boyhood Exploits of 1940s and 1950s I wrote,

    Then there was Halloween in the 50s. Every kid in the neighbourhood went out knocking on doors looking for ‘Any apples or nuts.’ There were few sweets or crisps given on that night in those days. At the end of the night one would come home with bags of garden cooking apples and peanuts in their shells. Nobody ever eat more than one or two of each, so Theo my pal and I had thought up another strategy for Halloween. We would not go out until about nine at night and when we were told by the householders that we were too late as all the apples and nuts were gone, we would put our plan into action. We would ask, ‘Well then, ere an old rusty copper in your house you want to get rid of.’ A copper was a penny coin then, 240 in a pound. You could but sweets, ice cream etc. then with a penny. We knew the ‘rusty’ bit would fit in to the scary Halloween atmosphere, so not look like we were just begging for money. It usually worked, trapping the adults into finding some pennies for our bag. Boy, did Red and Theo come out of such Halloweens rich men.

     I can give more stories if any are interested.

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  • I can give more stories if any are interested.
    Go ahead, there's not enough story telling these days.
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    Re: Halloween originated in ireland
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  • Why not bring back this old Queens, NY tradition instead of Halloween?  
    My parents (RIP) and a few surviving Greatest Generation and Silent Generation people reserved October 31 for a day of fast and abstinence and collected their candy on Halloween. It was prevalent not only in Catholic neighborhoods, but also in Protestant areas. The practice faded out after WWII. 

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    Boyhood Exploits of 1940s and 1950s.

    Those were the days when going to the pictures was the highlife of any boy of that era. The cinema was the greatest of all treats in the forties, and our parents would take us to one about once a month. Cowboy pictures were all the go for us boys in those days. John Wayne, Gregory Peck, William Holden, Robert Mitchum, Ranlolph Scott, and of course Roy Rodgers starred in many gunfighter movies of the time and they were our heroes of the day.  Money for the pictures however, was very scarce. It cost four pence to gain entry to see a cowboy film, a lot then. But there was another way to get in to the ‘flicks.’ Some cinemas in Dublin, like the Grand, took two jam-jars as payment as jam-jars had a two pence recycling charge that could be retrieved anywhere. There was one kid living on Collins Avenue in 1947 however who did not seem to have any money problems. Ray was his name. One day I tried to impress Ray by telling him I saw the latest cowboy film Border Feud, starring Lash la Rue as the Cheyenne Kid and that it was a really great picture. ‘Saw it,’ said Ray. Ray then started telling us about the latest film he had seen and why we had to go to see it. Of course I kept asking Ray where he got the money to go to the pictures so often, but he declined to tell me, saying it was his secret. Then one day, he asked Joe and me would we go to the Fairview cinema with him. ‘We don’t have any money,’ I replied, ‘All right then, come with me and I will show you how we can get money for the flix,’ said Ray. It was about one o’clock in the day, Saturday, so we set off to see if we could make the three-o-clock matinee. We walked all the way down to Fairview, me wondering all the time what Roy had up his sleeve. Now there was, and still is, a wide footpath at the corner leading off St Aiden’s Park Road right opposite Fairview Park, and it was there Ray stopped us and told us to stay back at the shops. ‘Watch what I do and listen carefully,’ Ray said, and off he went over to a bus stop. We saw him looking up and down until we could hear him pretending to cry just as a few women were passing him. ‘Booo hooo, waaa waaa,’ he cried out loud, doing his best to force tears down his face. Within a minute or so a woman went over to him and we could hear the conversation. ‘What’s the matter with you son, why are you crying,’ she asked. ‘I lost my bus-fare home and I am feeling sick now so I cannot walk that far,’ answered Ray, his voice quivering to impress the woman. ‘O.K., sonny, stop crying, I will give you your bus fare home’ said the lady. With that we saw her dipping into her handbag, taking out her purse and give Ray some money. ‘O thank you,’ cried Ray, remaining at the bus-stop as the woman walked away waving bye bye to him. As soon as she was out of sight Ray came over to us and showed us a big shiny sixpence. ‘How about that eh, easy, now it is your turn,’ he said to my brother Joe. ‘Just do as I did, wait for women, and cry loudly.’ Joe reluctantly went to the bus-stop, waited for the right lady to come along, and went into a tirade of crying. Boy, how Joe played his part surprised me no end. He picked his woman well, for she immediately stopped and asked him what was wrong, why he was so upset. ‘I lost my bus fare home, I am feeling sick and I am not able to walk,’ Joe cried. Like the woman who fell for Ray’s act, she too took out her purse and gave him money, four pence. ‘Thank you so much, thank you, thank you,’ said Joe, ‘you are so kind.’ When the woman was out of sight, Joe came over to us delighted to show his cinema money in his hand. Finally it was my turn. No bother I said to myself, took up position at the bus stop and waited for a likely benefactor to walk by. Two elderly women came along and before they passed me I began my act, crying as though I broke a leg. I was out for the big money, film, sweets and crisps. From these two kind-looking dears I should get double at least I thought. The trap worked, ‘What is the matter sonny, why are you crying,’ asked one of the distressed ladies. ‘I lost my bus-fare home and it is too far to walk,’ I answered as instructed by Ray, forgetting the sick bit. ‘And where do you live,’ asked the other lady. It was then I had to think fast. They were not supposed to ask questions, I thought to myself, Ray and Joe were not asked where they lived were they? What if they were neighbours I didn’t know living just up the road within walking distance, and what if they knew my parents or even knew someone who lives near me I would be in serious trouble. No, I cannot even tell them where I lived in case they would escort me home. Besides Collins Ave is near enough to walk home from there so they might catch on this ploy is not what it is supposed to be. Now how I thought on all these things in about ten seconds I do not know, but maybe in such circuмstances, a five-year-old boy of the 1940s did that sort of quick thinking. In conclusion, I reasoned I must say I am going somewhere too far for them to walk with me, far enough to need a good bus-fare home. ‘Raheny,’ I finally answered them, knowing it was some miles away. ‘Oh my goodness,’ said one of the ladies, ‘that is a long journey. But don’t worry, we will get you there.’ ‘Eureka’ I thought, mission accomplished, how much will I ask for, how much will I get?  ‘First of all son, you are at the wrong bus-stop. Come with us to the Raheny bus-stop then,’ the lady said. ‘No,’ I thought to myself, ‘just give me the fare and I am gone.’ ‘Oh thank you,’ I answered, and off I went with the two kind women, one each side of me. I sneaked a look back at Ray and Joe and I could see the expression of wonder on their faces. ‘Maybe it is not all lost yet’ I thought to myself, ‘let us see what happens.’

        Well we got to the bus stop and I recall thinking up some yarn to tell the ladies as to why I was in Fairview in the first place, in case they asked. No need for that, for a bus came almost immediately. The conductor was standing on the platform as they used to. ‘Will you see to it this boy gets to Raheny, the stop where he gets off for his home,’ said one woman to the bus-conductor, handing the fare to the man in uniform with the bag of money. Ding, went his ticket machine and I was handed a receipt for my picture and sweets money. ‘Make sure he gets off at the right stop, won’t you,’ said my Good Samaritan to the conductor, telling him I had lost my fare home to Raheny. ‘You can rely on me,’ he said and hit the bell. I was on my way. I could see Joe and Ray looking at me with puzzled faces as I stared out the back window of the bus at them.  Again I had to put on my thinking cap. ‘I cannot get off up the road or the conductor will smell a rat. I will have to get to Raheny before I pretend the next stop is mine. What felt like ten miles further and an hour later, the conductor said ‘Raheny.’ I got off, and had to thank him. With my pockets empty I had no choice but to begin that long walk home, back to Fairview, then to Donnycarney. It took hours; When I got back. Joe and Ray were there waiting for me having been to the movies and returned home. They asked me what happened. I told them. Lesson learned, and my days of a con-boy were over.

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  • Good story

    It's cases like this where you don't get away with being bad or have to suffer injustice while everyone else gets away with it that shows God has plans for you.
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    In the 1950s we also had many different guns, pellet guns, .22 rifles and even small shotguns. Since about 1980 all guns were barred in Ireland. Unbelievably, our parents had no problem with our knives and guns in those days. One of my better remembered incidents with a gun is when I decided to experience what it was like to get a pellet in the bum. Believe it or not I asked one of the lads to shoot at it from about twenty yards away. I was wearing a thick pair of short pants and knew the pellet would not pierce my bum through it. The experiment went well, I got shot, but I could not believe the pain of it as I ran around the field holding my bum, screaming as loud as I could hoping that would help. It didn’t for it took a few days to calm down. We even learned how to make bombs in those innocent days, using metal tubes filled with stuff you could buy in the chemist shop then. We hammered both ends, drilled a hole in it, put in a fuse, lit it, run away, that exploded sending shrapnel in all directions. One such bomb went off and four of the lads ended up in hospital. Lucky for them no one was seriously injured. On the subject of bombs, Theo and I, while searching for moorhen’s nests in the ditch outside the orchard that was opposite the main house of Bellfield, we found a full cartridge in the muck, a big bullet and shell, about the size of a rugby-ball. We knew a man who lived nearby on the Bray road who had a collection of guns and revolvers in his attic and we reckoned he would buy the cartridge from us. So, off we went to his house where he said he couldn’t buy it as it was probably live and dangerous. So, off we went, Theo and I passing the thing from one to another just to show we weren’t afraid of things like bombs. It was about an hour or two before we went home only to find the army and police outside our house where they confiscated the ammo and asked us to show them where we found it, which we did.

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    In the 1950s we also had many different guns, pellet guns, .22 rifles and even small shotguns. Since about 1980 all guns were barred in Ireland. Unbelievably, our parents had no problem with our knives and guns in those days. One of my better remembered incidents with a gun is when I decided to experience what it was like to get a pellet in the bum. Believe it or not I asked one of the lads to shoot at it from about twenty yards away. I was wearing a thick pair of short pants and knew the pellet would not pierce my bum through it. The experiment went well, I got shot, but I could not believe the pain of it as I ran around the field holding my bum, screaming as loud as I could hoping that would help. It didn’t for it took a few days to calm down. We even learned how to make bombs in those innocent days, using metal tubes filled with stuff you could buy in the chemist shop then. We hammered both ends, drilled a hole in it, put in a fuse, lit it, run away, that exploded sending shrapnel in all directions. One such bomb went off and four of the lads ended up in hospital. Lucky for them no one was seriously injured. On the subject of bombs, Theo and I, while searching for moorhen’s nests in the ditch outside the orchard that was opposite the main house of Bellfield, we found a full cartridge in the muck, a big bullet and shell, about the size of a rugby-ball. We knew a man who lived nearby on the Bray road who had a collection of guns and revolvers in his attic and we reckoned he would buy the cartridge from us. So, off we went to his house where he said he couldn’t buy it as it was probably live and dangerous. So, off we went, Theo and I passing the thing from one to another just to show we weren’t afraid of things like bombs. It was about an hour or two before we went home only to find the army and police outside our house where they confiscated the ammo and asked us to show them where we found it, which we did.

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  • Boyhood Exploits of 1940s and 1950s.

    Those were the days when going to the pictures was the highlife of any boy of that era. The cinema was the greatest of all treats in the forties, and our parents would take us to one about once a month. Cowboy pictures were all the go for us boys in those days. John Wayne, Gregory Peck, William Holden, Robert Mitchum, Ranlolph Scott, and of course Roy Rodgers starred in many gunfighter movies of the time and they were our heroes of the day.  Money for the pictures however, was very scarce. It cost four pence to gain entry to see a cowboy film, a lot then. But there was another way to get in to the ‘flicks.’ Some cinemas in Dublin, like the Grand, took two jam-jars as payment as jam-jars had a two pence recycling charge that could be retrieved anywhere. There was one kid living on Collins Avenue in 1947 however who did not seem to have any money problems. Ray was his name. One day I tried to impress Ray by telling him I saw the latest cowboy film Border Feud, starring Lash la Rue as the Cheyenne Kid and that it was a really great picture. ‘Saw it,’ said Ray. Ray then started telling us about the latest film he had seen and why we had to go to see it. Of course I kept asking Ray where he got the money to go to the pictures so often, but he declined to tell me, saying it was his secret. Then one day, he asked Joe and me would we go to the Fairview cinema with him. ‘We don’t have any money,’ I replied, ‘All right then, come with me and I will show you how we can get money for the flix,’ said Ray. It was about one o’clock in the day, Saturday, so we set off to see if we could make the three-o-clock matinee. We walked all the way down to Fairview, me wondering all the time what Roy had up his sleeve. Now there was, and still is, a wide footpath at the corner leading off St Aiden’s Park Road right opposite Fairview Park, and it was there Ray stopped us and told us to stay back at the shops. ‘Watch what I do and listen carefully,’ Ray said, and off he went over to a bus stop. We saw him looking up and down until we could hear him pretending to cry just as a few women were passing him. ‘Booo hooo, waaa waaa,’ he cried out loud, doing his best to force tears down his face. Within a minute or so a woman went over to him and we could hear the conversation. ‘What’s the matter with you son, why are you crying,’ she asked. ‘I lost my bus-fare home and I am feeling sick now so I cannot walk that far,’ answered Ray, his voice quivering to impress the woman. ‘O.K., sonny, stop crying, I will give you your bus fare home’ said the lady. With that we saw her dipping into her handbag, taking out her purse and give Ray some money. ‘O thank you,’ cried Ray, remaining at the bus-stop as the woman walked away waving bye bye to him. As soon as she was out of sight Ray came over to us and showed us a big shiny sixpence. ‘How about that eh, easy, now it is your turn,’ he said to my brother Joe. ‘Just do as I did, wait for women, and cry loudly.’ Joe reluctantly went to the bus-stop, waited for the right lady to come along, and went into a tirade of crying. Boy, how Joe played his part surprised me no end. He picked his woman well, for she immediately stopped and asked him what was wrong, why he was so upset. ‘I lost my bus fare home, I am feeling sick and I am not able to walk,’ Joe cried. Like the woman who fell for Ray’s act, she too took out her purse and gave him money, four pence. ‘Thank you so much, thank you, thank you,’ said Joe, ‘you are so kind.’ When the woman was out of sight, Joe came over to us delighted to show his cinema money in his hand. Finally it was my turn. No bother I said to myself, took up position at the bus stop and waited for a likely benefactor to walk by. Two elderly women came along and before they passed me I began my act, crying as though I broke a leg. I was out for the big money, film, sweets and crisps. From these two kind-looking dears I should get double at least I thought. The trap worked, ‘What is the matter sonny, why are you crying,’ asked one of the distressed ladies. ‘I lost my bus-fare home and it is too far to walk,’ I answered as instructed by Ray, forgetting the sick bit. ‘And where do you live,’ asked the other lady. It was then I had to think fast. They were not supposed to ask questions, I thought to myself, Ray and Joe were not asked where they lived were they? What if they were neighbours I didn’t know living just up the road within walking distance, and what if they knew my parents or even knew someone who lives near me I would be in serious trouble. No, I cannot even tell them where I lived in case they would escort me home. Besides Collins Ave is near enough to walk home from there so they might catch on this ploy is not what it is supposed to be. Now how I thought on all these things in about ten seconds I do not know, but maybe in such circuмstances, a five-year-old boy of the 1940s did that sort of quick thinking. In conclusion, I reasoned I must say I am going somewhere too far for them to walk with me, far enough to need a good bus-fare home. ‘Raheny,’ I finally answered them, knowing it was some miles away. ‘Oh my goodness,’ said one of the ladies, ‘that is a long journey. But don’t worry, we will get you there.’ ‘Eureka’ I thought, mission accomplished, how much will I ask for, how much will I get?  ‘First of all son, you are at the wrong bus-stop. Come with us to the Raheny bus-stop then,’ the lady said. ‘No,’ I thought to myself, ‘just give me the fare and I am gone.’ ‘Oh thank you,’ I answered, and off I went with the two kind women, one each side of me. I sneaked a look back at Ray and Joe and I could see the expression of wonder on their faces. ‘Maybe it is not all lost yet’ I thought to myself, ‘let us see what happens.’

        Well we got to the bus stop and I recall thinking up some yarn to tell the ladies as to why I was in Fairview in the first place, in case they asked. No need for that, for a bus came almost immediately. The conductor was standing on the platform as they used to. ‘Will you see to it this boy gets to Raheny, the stop where he gets off for his home,’ said one woman to the bus-conductor, handing the fare to the man in uniform with the bag of money. Ding, went his ticket machine and I was handed a receipt for my picture and sweets money. ‘Make sure he gets off at the right stop, won’t you,’ said my Good Samaritan to the conductor, telling him I had lost my fare home to Raheny. ‘You can rely on me,’ he said and hit the bell. I was on my way. I could see Joe and Ray looking at me with puzzled faces as I stared out the back window of the bus at them.  Again I had to put on my thinking cap. ‘I cannot get off up the road or the conductor will smell a rat. I will have to get to Raheny before I pretend the next stop is mine. What felt like ten miles further and an hour later, the conductor said ‘Raheny.’ I got off, and had to thank him. With my pockets empty I had no choice but to begin that long walk home, back to Fairview, then to Donnycarney. It took hours; When I got back. Joe and Ray were there waiting for me having been to the movies and returned home. They asked me what happened. I told them. Lesson learned, and my days of a con-boy were over.

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