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Offline TheRealMcCoy

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Hate The Sin....Hate the Sinner?
« Reply #75 on: October 20, 2015, 07:23:11 PM »
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    Alright, so, I think I understand, now. I can hate their sinful nature as much as I want to, and wish for them to face justice for their actions carried out in line with that sinful nature, but I can't hate their actual personhood. That makes sense, I guess I misinterpreted those verses after all.


    Is there a particular sin you have difficulty forgiving?


    It's not forgiveness that I have a problem with. It's the people that refuse to admit what they're doing is wrong in order to be forgiven in the first place.


    Have you not done this yourself?


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    « Reply #76 on: November 01, 2015, 09:34:49 AM »
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    St Philip Neri's maxim for today:

    "We ought to hate no one, for God never comes where there is no love of our neighbours."


    I prefer the canonical maxim of Genesis 3:15, "I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."

    The full definition of enmity: positive, active, and typically mutual hatred or ill will

    Does the Lord have love for the Serpent (rhetorical question)? Do you think there is love behind that hate for the Serpent and his offspring?
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #77 on: November 01, 2015, 10:29:48 AM »
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    The full definition of enmity: positive, active, and typically mutual hatred or ill will

    I'm sure God consulted the Meriam-Webster dictionary definition before inspiring Moses to use that word! In another language!
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    Does the Lord have love for the Serpent (rhetorical question)? Do you think there is love behind that hate for the Serpent and his offspring?

    If He gives them grace to convert, evidently He does.

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    « Reply #78 on: November 01, 2015, 10:37:43 AM »
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    The full definition of enmity: positive, active, and typically mutual hatred or ill will

    I'm sure God consulted the Meriam-Webster dictionary definition before inspiring Moses to use that word! In another language!
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    Does the Lord have love for the Serpent (rhetorical question)? Do you think there is love behind that hate for the Serpent and his offspring?

    If He gives them grace to convert, evidently He does.


    Are there instances when God does NOT give the grace to convert?  How many sinners die without converting even though family pray and do penance for them?  I wonder what happened that they didn't convert.