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Halloween
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2015, 11:41:31 AM »
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  • There are some great ideas for Halloween celebration in this blog:

    Saintly Costumes

    http://showerofroses.blogspot.com/2008/10/saintly-costumes.html
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    Halloween
    « Reply #16 on: October 29, 2015, 02:16:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Graham
    By all means celebrate Halloween, but keep it Catholic. Visit a graveyard, pray for the dead. Let the kids dress up as saints and other historical figures, animals, benign mythological creatures, or even souls in Purgatory. Visit a farm that has a corn maze, hay rides, story-tellers, or other harvest-oriented amusements. (You can do your own research on local traditions.) But separate yourself from any tinge of gluttony and hedonism, child or teen misbehaviour, consumeristic Mammonism, and witchcraft or downright Satanism.


    Great post -- thanks! I would add a p.s. Pray for those children born into families who worship the enemy and use the children in horrific rituals on that night.
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    Halloween
    « Reply #17 on: October 29, 2015, 02:23:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: OHCA
    The villainization of Halloween is rooted in protestantism, largely for the very reason that Halloween is Catholic in origin.


    Not actually. Samhain or Halloween is pagan in origin. This is from the American Folklife Center. http://www.loc.gov/folklife/halloween.html


    The Fantasy and Folklore of All Hallows
    by Jack Santino

    Halloween had its beginnings in an ancient, pre-Christian Celtic festival of the dead. The Celtic peoples, who were once found all over Europe, divided the year by four major holidays. According to their calendar, the year began on a day corresponding to November 1st on our present calendar. The date marked the beginning of winter. Since they were pastoral people, it was a time when cattle and sheep had to be moved to closer pastures and all livestock had to be secured for the winter months. Crops were harvested and stored. The date marked both an ending and a beginning in an eternal cycle.

    The festival observed at this time was called Samhain (pronounced Sah-ween). It was the biggest and most significant holiday of the Celtic year. The Celts believed that at the time of Samhain, more so than any other time of the year, the ghosts of the dead were able to mingle with the living, because at Samhain the souls of those who had died during the year traveled into the otherworld. People gathered to sacrifice animals, fruits, and vegetables. They also lit bonfires in honor of the dead, to aid them on their journey, and to keep them away from the living. On that day all manner of beings were abroad: ghosts, fairies, and demons--all part of the dark and dread.

    Samhain became the Halloween we are familiar with when Christian missionaries attempted to change the religious practices of the Celtic people. In the early centuries of the first millennium A.D., before missionaries such as St. Patrick and St. Columcille converted them to Christianity, the Celts practiced an elaborate religion through their priestly caste, the Druids, who were priests, poets, scientists and scholars all at once. As religious leaders, ritual specialists, and bearers of learning, the Druids were not unlike the very missionaries and monks who were to Christianize their people and brand them evil devil worshippers.

    As a result of their efforts to wipe out "pagan" holidays, such as Samhain, the Christians succeeded in effecting major transformations in it. In 601 A.D. Pope Gregory the First issued a now famous edict to his missionaries concerning the native beliefs and customs of the peoples he hoped to convert. Rather than try to obliterate native peoples' customs and beliefs, the pope instructed his missionaries to use them: if a group of people worshipped a tree, rather than cut it down, he advised them to consecrate it to Christ and allow its continued worship.

    In terms of spreading Christianity, this was a brilliant concept and it became a basic approach used in Catholic missionary work. Church holy days were purposely set to coincide with native holy days. Christmas, for instance, was assigned the arbitrary date of December 25th because it corresponded with the mid-winter celebration of many peoples. Likewise, St. John's Day was set on the summer solstice.

    Samhain, with its emphasis on the supernatural, was decidedly pagan. While missionaries identified their holy days with those observed by the Celts, they branded the earlier religion's supernatural deities as evil, and associated them with the devil. As representatives of the rival religion, Druids were considered evil worshippers of devilish or demonic gods and spirits. The Celtic underworld inevitably became identified with the Christian Hell.

    The effects of this policy were to diminish but not totally eradicate the beliefs in the traditional gods. Celtic belief in supernatural creatures persisted, while the church made deliberate attempts to define them as being not merely dangerous, but malicious. Followers of the old religion went into hiding and were branded as witches.

    The Christian feast of All Saints was assigned to November 1st. The day honored every Christian saint, especially those that did not otherwise have a special day devoted to them. This feast day was meant to substitute for Samhain, to draw the devotion of the Celtic peoples, and, finally, to replace it forever. That did not happen, but the traditional Celtic deities diminished in status, becoming fairies or leprechauns of more recent traditions.

    The old beliefs associated with Samhain never died out entirely. The powerful symbolism of the traveling dead was too strong, and perhaps too basic to the human psyche, to be satisfied with the new, more abstract Catholic feast honoring saints. Recognizing that something that would subsume the original energy of Samhain was necessary, the church tried again to supplant it with a Christian feast day in the 9th century. This time it established November 2nd as All Souls Day--a day when the living prayed for the souls of all the dead. But, once again, the practice of retaining traditional customs while attempting to redefine them had a sustaining effect: the traditional beliefs and customs lived on, in new guises.

    All Saints Day, otherwise known as All Hallows (hallowed means sanctified or holy), continued the ancient Celtic traditions. The evening prior to the day was the time of the most intense activity, both human and supernatural. People continued to celebrate All Hallows Eve as a time of the wandering dead, but the supernatural beings were now thought to be evil. The folk continued to propitiate those spirits (and their masked impersonators) by setting out gifts of food and drink. Subsequently, All Hallows Eve became Hallow Evening, which became Hallowe'en--an ancient Celtic, pre-Christian New Year's Day in contemporary dress.
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    Halloween
    « Reply #18 on: October 29, 2015, 03:43:30 PM »
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  • And those who don't observe Halloween aren't less Catholic.  It's a personal choice based on your own family traditions and your ethnic identity.  We don't observe Halloween.  It's just not something we do.  

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    Halloween
    « Reply #19 on: October 29, 2015, 05:32:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
    And those who don't observe Halloween aren't less Catholic.  It's a personal choice based on your own family traditions and your ethnic identity.  We don't observe Halloween.  It's just not something we do.  


    Yes, definitely.

    If ever something fit into the "in dubiis, libertas" (in doubtful things, liberty) it's the celebration (or non-celebration) of Halloween.

    This is definitely an area where the Church has *not* ruled, and we are all left to do what we think is best.

    And guess what? Whatever you think is best, you'll think is -- Best! For you and everyone else. But you can't impose your own views, opinions, and prudence upon another.

    As long as you're not dressing up as devils, vampires, or immodest costumes, dabbling in the occult, or giving glory to satan in any other way, you're not committing sin.

    Trick-or-treating is not sinful (though it is best avoided -- trick or treaters will encounter decorations/costumes that are decidedly NOT Catholic). Hanging a cardboard skeleton on your front door is not sinful. Carving a pumpkin isn't sinful. Eating a few pieces of candy is not sinful. Adults or children dressing up as various people, professions, animals, etc. is not sinful. Playing various (innocent) games is not sinful.

    Just remember -- you dress up as what you want to be, or identify with in some way. Also: imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. So why dress up as a devil or vampire? Even as a child, I had no inclination to do so. I was a ninja the last few years until I turned 15 and was too old. When I was 11, I went as a copper penny, as I was into coin collecting at the time (I painted my face copper, and had my birthyear written in white on my cheek)

    And then there are the clever costumes -- I remember in elementary school, one of the kids (whose parents were smart and/or rich) made a costume for him: He was a man in a cage, being carried by a gorilla. The gorilla's upper torso was empty, as well as the crossed legs of the kid inside the cage. But the overall effect was quite impressive!
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    Halloween
    « Reply #20 on: October 29, 2015, 07:05:59 PM »
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  • The Mexicans have their 'Day of the Dead' in which they walk around
    in costumes.

    Halloween is my Mother's Birthday. She is out of town.
     
    I will stay indoors all night Halloween and will not open the door until
    All Saints Day.  

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    Halloween
    « Reply #21 on: October 30, 2015, 02:38:24 PM »
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  • As Americans, a great many of us have sentimental attachments to celebrating Halloween, whether you were Catholic or Protestant.  But as traditional Catholics today, I think we owe our children by teaching them the truth.  American Catholics, I fear, don't really know the truth about Halloween because the true, pious celebrations of this Holy Day are not part of our culture.  

    The Protestant Puritans absolutely did not bring any customs of any kind whatsoever.  The only place in Colonial American where All Hallow's Eve was even tolerated was Maryland.  In 1785, there were only 25,000 Catholics in the entire Colonies, less than 1% of the population!  So imagine, one of the 25 priests in the entire country leading a procession of 10 Catholics (probably just one family or 2 maybe) down the street to the cemetery with candles and saying prayers.  What a weird and freaky sight for the Protestants!

    As the immigrants slowly began coming in, they brought the traditions from their own countries.  But the Protestants were also surrounded in most places by the Natives, who had some rather peculiar rituals, namely rituals associated with corn.  Here in the NE, corn is ready in late summer and early fall.  We still have a great many dry corn fields right now.  The corn festivals lasted for several days and included dances, games, naming babies, and make offerings to the Great Spirits with bonfires and burning of the corn husks.  The Protestants absolutely had to get along with the Indians are risk starving or being attacked, but the Catholic immigrants were too small in number to really be a bother.  

    By the early 1800s, there were more Harvest festivals than Hallow'een processionals.  

    However, as the cities grew in the mid 1840s due to industrialization and massive Catholic immigration, the situation changed a lot.  As large communities of Catholics grew in the major NE cities, so did the prejudices.  Instead of 10 Catholics walking with the priest to the cemetery, you had HUGE parties that covered city blocks of Catholics walking down to Mass on Hallow'een going in the front door, and coming out the back door.  You had 5 or 10 priests walking through the cemeteries and streets saying prayers.  Families, who lived close together, walked from home to home, with food and candles saying prayers with each other and sharing in their own rituals.  Too many Catholics for the Protestants to deal with.  And thus began the Hallow'een night of pranks and tricks.  

    By the turn of the century, pranks and tricks were the norm and the night was feared by local farmers and business owners across the country.  The natives had mostly been assimilated or moved to the reservations.  The Catholics lived in the cities and the kids threw garbage at their houses.  They turned over outhouses and cows.  

    By the 1920s as the cities were becoming so congested the only solution seemed to be festivals at the schools.  It worked.  Even the Catholics went along with this idea because the festivities allowed them to practice their rituals and prayers in peace.  It also gave them an opportunity to assimilate.

    By the 1940s Halloween in the U.S became a marketable day with costumes and candy.

    Perhaps it was "harmless" when we were kids, but Halloween as we know it was culturally a mishmosh of ideas and cultures, and the "true" meaning of the celebration was long lost to American Catholics.

    That is the truth.  

    Should we celebrate Halloween?  Not like the American's do.  Since we have smaller and smaller Catholic circles we are probably resigned to creating our own rituals based on pious traditions either from our own ancestry or ones we introduce ourselves.

    We are isolated from any trads.  So instead, we have a party at home for our kids where we play games, sing songs, eat candy and pizza.  The children look forward to it.  Our neighborhood has a little craft festival which we go to to get roasted corn and other treats.  Sometimes we do a hayride.  After the fun, though, we prepare our altar with candles and photos of the family members who have passed in the Faith.  We say a Rosary for their souls.  The following morning we go to Mass.  Usually, after Mass we go over to the Catholic cemetery and try to clean the debris while we say our Rosary.

    As American Catholic's we must realize that our Halloween celebration is an adulterated celebration.  European Catholics, South American Catholics, African Catholics, do not celebrate in this way.  

    IMO, we should avoid the habit of being Catholic Americans.  




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    Halloween
    « Reply #22 on: October 30, 2015, 07:51:24 PM »
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  • Halloween is just another day that the stores make money.
    At a recent visit to my local Walmart. They are not doing well in
    selling Halloween costumes, face paints, and candies.
    They plan to lower their prices on Halloween Black Saturday.  
    I suggest avoid any shopping this Saturday anywhere
    Halloween supplies are available.


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    Halloween
    « Reply #23 on: October 30, 2015, 10:41:19 PM »
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  • ......and then there is this idiotic prot....

    http://www.omegashock.com/2015/10/30/samhain-and-dangerous-evil/

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    Halloween
    « Reply #24 on: October 30, 2015, 10:51:20 PM »
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  • I agree with what everyone is saying here in that All Hallow's Eve is not itself evil but that if it follows the norms of today's Halloween it can become very bad indeed (especially the candy which can ruin a kid's teeth). I agree that Catholics should pray for the dead and I also have no problem with showing a kid specials about Halloween but I myself would never rot my kids' teeth out with candy or get them all dressed up with that gothic vampire vamp they have going on now (though I admit black is my favorite color. ;P)

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    Halloween
    « Reply #25 on: October 31, 2015, 09:22:03 AM »
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  • Halloween is now a demonic slut fest and a gathering of male [jerks] at pub crawls, parties and other social events celebrating this day.