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Offline jmid

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« on: June 09, 2010, 06:27:32 PM »
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    « Reply #1 on: June 09, 2010, 06:38:06 PM »
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  •  I am not able to listen to this.  Do they give their real names, or is this Mystery Young Lady and Mystery Young Man?


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    « Reply #2 on: June 09, 2010, 10:53:29 PM »
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  • I think the whole mindset of Catholics moving away to some kind of Catholic oasis is the utopain dream with a Catholic twist.

    Yeah, it'd be great if three quarters of the town or city in which you lived was traditional Catholic. Problem is, a lot of Catholics seem to think that moving to such a place is going to make them, and their families, into pious Catholics. In reality, though, some people who do so then get to feeling all safe and secure about their salvation, and before they know it, they're living not too differently from the pagans in the next city.

    I would love to be near a large traditional Catholic church, but what about the rest of the world that we are supposed to be the light of? Hiding together somewhere until the big, bad world passes, strikes me as being suspiciously close to hiding that "light of the world" under the proverbial bushel. The same things that, in principal, people hope will protect their faith, become the same things that keep them from sharing it with anyone else by example.

    One traditional priest once gave a very good sermon about something along those lines. In so many words, he said that getting to heaven was NOT an "each man for himself proposition".

    People once thought Catholic schools would accomplish this miracle, too. Just look at the "Catholic" schools today! Now picture your Catholic oasis as pretty much a very large Catholic school, where everybody can attend. It really isn't much different. SOUNDS good. But then there's humanity, which always slides downward unless people actually fight the good fight... which is ironically what most of them move to such places to AVOID doing.

    If we hide from the conflicts of the world, how are we doing more than simply hiding from the cross, or hiding from the scorn and the fight we'll face if we do our "gettin' holy" in a secular city somewhere else?

    We all have a yellow streak running through us (thanks to original sin). Nobody wants to fight if they can take it easy. But there's nothing in the Bible about taking it easy, hiding from the conflict caused by our Faith, or all running off together and waiting for the rest of the world to just go up in smoke. That's no part of Catholicism I know of.

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    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #3 on: June 09, 2010, 11:20:59 PM »
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  • Dulcamara said:
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    Nobody wants to fight if they can take it easy. But there's nothing in the Bible about taking it easy, hiding from the conflict caused by our Faith, or all running off together and waiting for the rest of the world to just go up in smoke.


    There is no conflict caused by faith in the major urban centers.  No one cares.  Just try it out yourself, testify to your faith.  I am pretty confrontational and as a former wannabe shock-filmmaker, I don't mind getting in faces.  But no one is offended by my being a trad Catholic -- they just don't understand it.  It's so foreign to the bulk of people at this point.  Being a Catholic in itself is weird to many, so you can imagine how hard it is to explain trad Catholicism, and then sedevacantism!  It's like trying to get someone to read a Hebrew translation of the Greek out of Latin.  There are about three layers of disconnect.

    People who move near trad chapels are not "running away" but simply want to be among their own.  But there really isn't that much social interaction among us -- it's more just the comfort of knowing that the faith still exists.  
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #4 on: June 09, 2010, 11:21:39 PM »
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  • That's harsh, Dulc.

    By and large, I don't think many go there to "run away" from anything. I'd say most go to large Trad areas for the school. Raising a Catholic family is hard. Toss in homeschooling and it might just be more than most can handle. So, what do you do? You make a choice. Send your children to a local school or move to where there is a Trad school. What would you do?
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...


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    « Reply #5 on: June 10, 2010, 12:54:14 AM »
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  • Those interviews were horrible.  The second one was positively evil, all three of them should be ashamed.  

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    « Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 01:07:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: Caminus
    Those interviews were horrible.  The second one was positively evil, all three of them should be ashamed.  


    Are you going to offer some particulars to your criticisms?

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    « Reply #7 on: June 10, 2010, 02:09:09 AM »
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  • Yes, the second interview is pretty troubling.

    Her complaints about the dress code were petty.

    I thought the complaints about "puritanism" to be disturbing.  

    One thing that rings true is that the French tend to have bourgeois attitudes that are at once liberal and authoritarian, instead of simply following the Church teachings.

    The first interview is not so bad.  I thought the food talk was a bit much.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 10, 2010, 03:37:22 AM »
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  • Yes Caminus, the second one gets worse and worse.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 05:14:21 AM »
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  • This girl is right, it's not like this in France -- although from what I have seen they dress like hobos at the French SSPX.  

    http://lh3.ggpht.com/_xBRkJwRYCic/SR_N99DQ83I/AAAAAAAAIeE/HymVghVQSMs/s400/France_Lourdes2008_1026%20044.jpg

    http://www.lemonde.fr/image/2007/07/09/575x385_1044144_0_728f_ill-933203-chardonnet.jpg

    What is the state of this girl's faith now?  Did she drop out of trad Catholicism?
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #10 on: June 10, 2010, 05:46:45 AM »
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  • I would say this girl suffers from major intellectual pride.  That became apparent when she talked about how she only stuck with the school out of defiance, just so they couldn't kick her out.  She is also translating Chinese in the Army at the age of 23.  

    She is missing the forest for the trees.  She doesn't mention Christ, Mary, the saints or anything with much internal fervor in this entire conversation.  You can blame this on the SSPX for not being charitable, welcoming and warm enough if you want, but what are they supposed to do?  I get the feeling if she had St. Jane Chantal as Mother Superior it wouldn't have been enough.  She just sounds very pleased with herself and jokey and locked into her own world.  This is a very common attitude outside the Church today, an ironic, questioning, quasi-cynical stance, and unfortunately it will probably infect many of the younger people.

    I am good with this type, I think, because I used to be worldly and I understand the allure of various artistic and intellectual pursuits.  I know how certain Catholic circles can seem narrow and suffocating to those who think they are more cultured.  I can also see why some trad priests are not inspiring figures to such people -- they try to appeal more to families than to display an intellectual vibrancy.  She did say she had an "artistic temperament."  The only way to really break through this kind of pride is to fear God, to learn to appreciate simplicity and God's natural order, but she isn't there yet apparently.  
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS


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    « Reply #11 on: June 10, 2010, 06:32:27 AM »
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  • Whoa, this interview really does degenerate.  "I'm sorry you're not attracting your husband anymore, get some lingerie..."  "Lose 300 pounds..."  Nice.  

    I'm no SSPX Little House type, but I get a bad feeling from this girl.  Complaining that the nuns thought the slit in her skirt was too high -- just change it!  No, she says "I'm sorry you feel that way."    
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #12 on: June 10, 2010, 07:44:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: Caminus
    Those interviews were horrible.  The second one was positively evil, all three of them should be ashamed.  


    All three?  I thought they were extremely restrained and charitable, considering the huge sacrifices they made in order to give their children a Catholic education.

    The attrition rate for many of these trad academies is simply outrageous.  The teachers must take some responsibility for the great number of failures.

    Further, the rigorism seems impractical to me.  The point, the entire purpose of education is to lead souls to God.  So it seems to me, that ordinary, average kids should have a fair shake at being prepared to know, love and serve God.

    There's too much backlash against the lax academic and moral standards in some of these little academies.

    And really, why don't they just make the kids wear uniforms and eliminate any issue about dress code?    :confused1:  No uniforms, what a set-up for singling people out, a waste of time IMO.


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    « Reply #13 on: June 10, 2010, 09:40:13 AM »
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  • My computer has no sound, so, unfortunately, I cannot listen to this. I do need to get my computer fixed.

    It's a good thing this is being brought out into the open, so more people go into these traddie enclaves with their eyes wide open. Perhaps we should all have a backup plan, just in case things don't work out in a particular chapel. We're hearing so many stories of things not working out - entire families being shunned and kids getting kicked out of traditional schools.

    There is one school in my neck of the woods that is notorious for people getting tossed out. (Thankfully, my children never went there.)

    I am starting to think people, especially those with children, need a Plan A, Plan B and Plan C.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 10, 2010, 10:07:39 AM »
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  • I agree Anon.  I am very glad people are starting to come forward.  There are lots and lots of us.

    These megalomaniacs who throw Catholic children out of their VIP schools have lost the plot.  

    The point is not to hoard the Faith for a Select Few.  The point is to form Catholic souls for Christ, not form "the fatal cliques" whom St. John Bosco abhorred.

     It is really very simple, simple enough for the children to figure out.  Where there is no Charity, there is no way to form god Catholic children.



     

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