Author Topic: Government and Church and State issue (Read 1589 times)

Kephapaulos · « **on:** May 15, 2009, 10:43:15 PM »

So what type of government would you prefer, in your opinion?

I favor traditional (not constitutional or parliamentary) monarchy, but I would also agree with the idea of a polity (combination of monarchy, aristocracy, and a republic) proposed by St. Thomas Aquinas.

As long as the State confesses the Catholic faith though, that is most essential.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** May 16, 2009, 12:15:19 PM »

It's also true that "representative" government is most easily corrupted, if you can corrupt the people.

This has been done today with the Media, public school propaganda, etc.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #2 on:** May 16, 2009, 02:33:31 PM »

Yes, governments with too many at the top can give sway very easily to division and interest groups. Traditional monarchy is simply based on what the one at the top rules definitely. There may still be bickering interest groups in a traditional monarchy, but the monarch has the final say (whether the monarch be strong or weak).

Lybus · « **Reply #3 on:** May 16, 2009, 08:14:37 PM »

Traditional Monarchy fascinates me because the common conception is that it is the most easily corrupted; therefore it must be a good thing! =D . Never trust public opinion. Monarhcies have been known to stand for a thousand years, from what I've heard. So what would be the advantages of having a tradtional monarchy that did not advocate separation of church and state?

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #4 on:** May 19, 2009, 10:13:28 PM »

I would argue first that traditional monarchy is natural. Naturaly, the father (the king) heads the family with his wife (the queen) at his side. The fact that it is hereditary makes it more dependent on the will of God too. Also, a traditional monarchy can naturally have the common good of the citizens as its aim. It fits well with patriotism as well.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #5 on:** May 19, 2009, 10:41:56 PM »

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #6 on:** May 26, 2009, 03:14:04 AM »

Im a monarchist 100%, but I wouldnt support a traitor like Otto von Hapsburg who helps the Jєωs get more power by helping to set up the builderberg group. Nor would I support the current queen of Spain who is a secret Buddhist, or her children who have no right to the throne according to the laws of succession. The rightful king of Spain is Sixto Enrique de Bourbon the Duke of Aranjuez who is a true son of Holy Mother Church.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** May 26, 2009, 07:08:11 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

Im a monarchist 100%, but I wouldnt support a traitor like Otto von Hapsburg who helps the Jєωs get more power by helping to set up the builderberg group. Nor would I support the current queen of Spain who is a secret Buddhist, or her children who have no right to the throne according to the laws of succession. The rightful king of Spain is Sixto Enrique de Bourbon the Duke of Aranjuez who is a true son of Holy Mother Church.

The current monarchs have failed or have been ousted from power.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #8 on:** May 26, 2009, 07:09:07 PM »

For example, they stripped the Duke of Luxembourg of any remaining authority.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #9 on:** May 26, 2009, 10:03:21 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

Im a monarchist 100%, but I wouldnt support a traitor like Otto von Hapsburg who helps the Jєωs get more power by helping to set up the builderberg group. Nor would I support the current queen of Spain who is a secret Buddhist, or her children who have no right to the throne according to the laws of succession. The rightful king of Spain is Sixto Enrique de Bourbon the Duke of Aranjuez who is a true son of Holy Mother Church.

One question is: who is the rightful heir to the French throne? There are those who say it is Louis XX (Bourbon), Duc d'Anjou, and others argue it is Henri VII, Duc d'Orleans. Which one should take the throne of France?

TheD · « **Reply #10 on:** May 26, 2009, 10:33:57 PM »

I am a monarchist. A nation is much better off with one strong heroic leader than a bunch of spineless bickering bureaucrats!

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #11 on:** May 27, 2009, 12:22:48 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

Im a monarchist 100%, but I wouldnt support a traitor like Otto von Hapsburg who helps the Jєωs get more power by helping to set up the builderberg group. Nor would I support the current queen of Spain who is a secret Buddhist, or her children who have no right to the throne according to the laws of succession. The rightful king of Spain is Sixto Enrique de Bourbon the Duke of Aranjuez who is a true son of Holy Mother Church.

I actually looked up Otto Von Hapsburg one time, and I was very disappointed. His father was a saintly man, and his mother was saintly also.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #12 on:** May 27, 2009, 03:39:18 PM »

Quote from: TheD

I am a monarchist. A nation is much better off with one strong heroic leader than a bunch of spineless bickering bureaucrats!

Yes, it is much easier to deal with tyranny in a monarchy because there is just one person with which to deal. It is more difficult though to pinpoint the sources of tyranny in a corrupt government of several hundred people at the top.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #13 on:** May 27, 2009, 03:50:40 PM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

Quote from: TheD
I am a monarchist. A nation is much better off with one strong heroic leader than a bunch of spineless bickering bureaucrats!

Yes, it is much easier to deal with tyranny in a monarchy because there is just one person with which to deal. It is more difficult though to pinpoint the sources of tyranny in a corrupt government of several hundred people at the top.

Not to mention 300 million morons at the bottom who think that they have a say in making policy.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #14 on:** May 27, 2009, 03:55:45 PM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

Quote from: Catholic Samurai
Im a monarchist 100%, but I wouldnt support a traitor like Otto von Hapsburg who helps the Jєωs get more power by helping to set up the builderberg group. Nor would I support the current queen of Spain who is a secret Buddhist, or her children who have no right to the throne according to the laws of succession. The rightful king of Spain is Sixto Enrique de Bourbon the Duke of Aranjuez who is a true son of Holy Mother Church.

One question is: who is the rightful heir to the French throne? There are those who say it is Louis XX (Bourbon), Duc d'Anjou, and others argue it is Henri VII, Duc d'Orleans. Which one should take the throne of France?

Well I remember a prophecy from a French mystic and stigmatist who lived during WWI that said that a claimant to the French throne from Orleans would be a usurper. I cant remember what her name was though.