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Going to restaurants on Sundays.
« Reply #65 on: March 11, 2011, 08:13:29 AM »
Quote from: Hietanen
Quote from: IrishUkrainian


If it's sinful to eat out on Sundays, then if you really wanted to take it to the Nth degree, the following ridiculous situations would come up:

You're committing mortal sin for using electricity on Sunday.  After all, someone at the power company has to be working in order to keep the lights on.


No, all work that has a necessity for keeping society to function is acceptable and reasonable and not against the Sabbath. You can work on a hospital on A sunday, you can have as work to feed the hungry and have as work and tend the sick, etc. I have never said anything against that. Please read what I'm actually saying.
It would also be acceptable to work on Sunday out of necessity. If a person has to do it in order to survive, and to keep his household feed, etc.

But without necessity (which most people don't fall under, mortal sin is definitevly committed). That has always been held by the Church.

Quote from: IrishUkrainian


You're committing mortal sin for watching NFL games on Sunday.  Because you're "enabling" the players, coaches, referees, hotdog vendors, etc. to work on Sundays.


EXACTLY. Please, read my above posts. But your not only committing mortal sin for watching these games on Sundays, but also committing mortal sin for enjoying people committing mortal sin, such as Sabbath breaking, acceptance of cheerleaders and for making the mortal sin of gambling to exist. To enjoy what constitute intrinsically evil things is a mortal sin.

Quote from: IrishUkrainian


Did the pre-Vatican2 church ever condemn the NFL for playing games on Sundays?


Before Vatican II, in the folly Catholic countries/towns, no one worked on Sundays. All towns, restaurants, etc, was closed. You should know this already from reading the beginning of this thread.

The changes occurred after Vatican II, not before. Also, before in the world, people did not get payed from playing sports. People did not have as work to play sports as people have today. Before, these sports was truly a recreation, recreation is lawful, even if played on Sunday, as long as it does not constitutes an actual work for them.


Whatever bro.  I'm willing to take my chances that watching the NFL leads to eternal damnation.  Although some people are "working," it's ultimately recreation for the vast majority of people involved.  I would agree that skipping Mass to watch or participate in a sporting event is a mortal sin, but you're dead wrong if you believe it's a sin to watch a game after you get back from Mass.

In case you didn't know, the origin of the the prohibition of servile work on Sundays/Days of Obligation was back in the medieval times when the lords used to work the peasants on Sundays and they missed Mass.  It wasn't because there's anything intrinsically evil about doing any work on Sunday if one still attended Mass.

Show me a docuмent from an American bishop before the Council that condemned professional sports playing on Sundays, and I might start taking your side seriously.

BTW am I in mortal sin if I don't pray rosaries all day on Sunday after I get back from Mass?

Going to restaurants on Sundays.
« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2011, 09:02:03 AM »
Quote from: Sigismund
Hietanen,

Well, I'll be darned.  The stuff you posted about gambling was news to me.  I will have to think seriously about that.  It is hard to argue with SS. Thomas Aquinas and Francis de Sales.

What about all those parish bingo nights?  I am not being flippant here.  That is a serious question.


If the people participating in the "parish" bingo night was unaware of what the Church taught, there was no sin (since the betting is in small amounts). However, since there are prizes (I presume), that one could win on those nights as well, it could also constitute a work for these people if they play on Sundays since they are working on achieving an income in some way. So, that would be another reason why a person could not participate in such activities after being aware of this information.


Going to restaurants on Sundays.
« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2011, 09:51:32 AM »
Quote from: IrishUkrainian


Whatever bro.  I'm willing to take my chances that watching the NFL leads to eternal damnation.  Although some people are "working," it's ultimately recreation for the vast majority of people involved.


It is a mortal sin to enjoy other people committing mortal sin. You know these players break the Sabbath, and you have as enjoyment watching these players breaking the Sabbath and thus committing mortal sin. You are also approving of the mortal sin of gambling by taking part in watching their sports plays, which is founded on gambling. Gambling is also continuously commercialized on the tv during the games by the announcements of the Sports betting results.
To watch something which only constitutes mortal sins, excess spending (billions upon billions of dollars on nothing), worldly vanities, etc. is a mortal sin.

Pro-sports would likewise be a mortal sin to watch only because of the cheerleaders. If you know that the sports-team you enjoy approve of these naked women from hell that tempts people into mortal sins of lust, and you watch these sports, you are watching an event that has mortal sin present at the arena and the field, and that these women are tempting the whole arena (and all the viewers world wide watching them) into lusts of the flesh, masturbation, porn, fornication, adultery, and who knows what? So to be aware of this, and yet approve of it by the continual deed of watching, is sick to say the least, and is a mortal sin.
Likewise could a person never attend a pro-sports arena that has the above mentioned mortal sins taking place in them, for then would one have a front row in an activity which constitutes an offense to God, mortal sin and scandal to his neighbor.

Quote from: IrishUkrainian


In case you didn't know, the origin of the the prohibition of servile work on Sundays/Days of Obligation was back in the medieval times when the lords used to work the peasants on Sundays and they missed Mass.  It wasn't because there's anything intrinsically evil about doing any work on Sunday if one still attended Mass.


No, the prohibition from servile work dates back to the Old Testament and the Mosaic Law, and was in Law from the beginning of the New Testament, although now changed from Saturday to Sunday.
All works are forbidden on Sundays, even if you go to mass before doing the work. That has always been held as law in the Catholic Church. I don't know why you make up your own laws like this, you are either flat out lying here or have not a clue what you are talking about.

Quote from: IrishUkrainian


Show me a docuмent from an American bishop before the Council that condemned professional sports playing on Sundays, and I might start taking your side seriously.


First it must be said that pro-sports didn't really become what it is today until after the great apostasy and the rise of modern world. Go back 100 years, and there was virtually no pro-sports at all, no world cups, etc. It was a recreation for must people, and people didn't have it as work. Neither was many sports in Catholic countries even played on Sundays, but on other days.
The situations have changed, the world has changed; we're living in the last days, and that without a Pope and a non Heretical authoritative Hierarchy that can solve or give a definitive answer to many of these hard situations/questions.

You will not find docuмents on everything, especially concerning all the new difficult situations that have arisen with the modern technological world. You will not find a docuмent condemning video games, for example, since the great apostasy happened way before the many new sins that have arisen. Therefore, evil violent video games has to be condemned (not by a definitive condemnation against it, since no such exists) but around other aspects, such as pointing out it's dangers and how it otherwise violates divine and moral law. Take the following as a clear example of this:

Almost every kind of game that exists in our sad time has numerous mortally sinful things in them which make them impossible to play without going to hell. The younger generation especially, but also older people, is so perverted and drugged by these new games that they seem to live for nothing else!

Firstly, there are the countless games who have a person going around killing or hurting other humans or creatures for fun; for example, Counter-Strike, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Starcraft, Modern Warfare, Gears of Wars, Tekken, etc. To play such a game is not only sick but abominable. Think about it: to play a game for fun or pleasure which is constituted of the murder or hurt of another being!

God solemnly declares that he will judge our every thought, how much more then will he judge our deeds? When we in our mind take delight and enjoy killing or hurting other beings, God takes this as an act in the very same way as he judges us as murderers if we hate our brother, or, as an adulterer if we look at a woman with lust in our heart. What then will God judge you to be when you in your heart love abominable things in evil video games?


If you want to read more, feel free to do so;

http://www.catholic-saints.net/spiritual/#Video-games


Today, worldwide, pagan government rules the countries and have implemented non-catholic constitutions that violates both Catholic Civil and Ecclesiastical law, therefore, must we use our reason on what we can understand, and judge those things accordingly. But if I find what you are asking for, I will gladly use it to prove my point.

What we DO know and what we do UNDERSTAND, is that all (unnecessary) works is forbidden on Sundays. Therefore, are these players committing mortal sin of Sabbath breaking, and it is clearly morally wrong to have as enjoyment watching people committing mortal sin. This is what we have to go on, and this is reasonable and logical, and is also in line with Catholic teaching who condemns to approve of evil and wrong, and you have no excuse for going against this reason since you cannot prove your cause (that it would be right to watch or enjoy people committing mortal sin of Sabbath breaking) from anything.

Besides, there are other mortal sins that makes it unacceptable to watch or enjoy pro-sports, as have already been dealt with above (cheerleaders, gambling, etc.).

Quote from: IrishUkrainian


BTW am I in mortal sin if I don't pray rosaries all day on Sunday after I get back from Mass?


No, you are not in mortal sin for NOT praying the rosary ALL DAY LONG.

However, you could be in mortal sin for neglecting to pray the rosary or some other prayers at all sometime during the Sunday without a good cause.

Man should not do the things on a Sunday as he would do on the other days. The Sunday is intended for God to be kept in holiness. Thus, if the only difference for you on Sundays is that you keep away from servile work, and do not give any of your time to God, what profit is there for you?

God commanded at least one day off for man so that man could rest from the world and use it for his spiritual well being, in praying, reading and doing other good works for the soul. You should thus spend the Sunday in abstaining from your own will, such as watching the tv, playing games, listening to music or the radio, etc, and instead strive to know God in solitude, prayer and meditation.

Going to restaurants on Sundays.
« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2011, 01:33:29 PM »
Quote from: Hietanen

No, the prohibition from servile work dates back to the Old Testament and the Mosaic Law, and was in Law from the beginning of the New Testament, although now changed from Saturday to Sunday.
All works are forbidden on Sundays, even if you go to mass before doing the work. That has always been held as law in the Catholic Church. I don't know why you make up your own laws like this, you are either flat out lying here or have not a clue what you are talking about.


I know exactly what the hell I'm taking about.  Yes, old Mosaic law placed all kinds of strict limitations on work on the Sabbath.  The Pharisees used that as ammo to go after Jesus.  The new law supersedes Mosaic law or else we still can't eat pork.  

I'm obviously not denying that the Christian Sabbath still has a special character to it that sets it apart from other days of the week.  But you're approaching this with a totally pharisaic spirit.

Are you a closet Orthodox Jew?

Going to restaurants on Sundays.
« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2011, 01:57:52 PM »
Quote from: IrishUkrainian
Quote from: Hietanen

No, the prohibition from servile work dates back to the Old Testament and the Mosaic Law, and was in Law from the beginning of the New Testament, although now changed from Saturday to Sunday.
All works are forbidden on Sundays, even if you go to mass before doing the work. That has always been held as law in the Catholic Church. I don't know why you make up your own laws like this, you are either flat out lying here or have not a clue what you are talking about.


I know exactly what the hell I'm taking about.  Yes, old Mosaic law placed all kinds of strict limitations on work on the Sabbath.  The Pharisees used that as ammo to go after Jesus.  The new law supersedes Mosaic law or else we still can't eat pork.  

I'm obviously not denying that the Christian Sabbath still has a special character to it that sets it apart from other days of the week.  But you're approaching this with a totally pharisaic spirit.

Are you a closet Orthodox Jew?


The Church has never said anything against eating pork. The Church, however, has forbidden all work on Sundays. Get this fact through your obstinate head now. This IS the Church's teaching, NOT my own. So how you can imply that I have a "pharisaic spirit" for upholding the law of God and the laws of his Church? You are just dishonest, and of bad will.

Quote from: IrishUkrainian


It wasn't because there's anything intrinsically evil about doing any work on Sunday if one still attended Mass.


It is an intrinsically evil act to disobey God, so it is definitely a mortal sin to work on Sundays knowingly or unnecessarily in the very same way as it is a mortal sin to eat meat on Fridays (without a good cause, such as sickness or want).

God wants obedience, rather than sacrifice. In other words, if you accept heretics or reject His dogmas or commandments, all your spiritual works will be worthless in His sight.


1 Kings 15:22-23: “And Samuel said: Doth the Lord desire h0Ɩ0cαųsts and victims, and not rather that the voice of the Lord should be obeyed? For obedience is better than sacrifices: and to hearken rather than to offer the fat of rams. Because it is like the sin of witchcraft to rebel: and like the crime of idolatry, to refuse to obey. Forasmuch as thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, the Lord hath also rejected thee from being king.”

If a person rejects God’s truth, he cannot please Him.


Only someone who does not fear God and Hell would willingly disobey His commandments.

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Fools despise wisdom and instruction." (Proverbs 1:7)