Let me address a few things here, Hietanen.

1.- I agree that commericals on television are getting worse these days, but since you're going to play the "anything that has any kind of sin is a mortal sin...

I didn't say "anything" or "everything" that has any kind of sin in it is always a mortal sin. There are distinctions.  I clearly said that people could go and shop although they sell bad things at that shop, since people need to feed themselves and have clothes, etc..
So there is a difference on necessity and on totally non-necessity. No one need to watch pro-sports for any reason whatsoever, just as no one need to be watching gamblers while they are gambling...

but since you're going to play the "anything that has any kind of sin is a mortal sin to own or do" game, let's focus the spotlight on something else, the internet. In a way, the internet is worse than tv.

The internet is not sinful at all depending on what reason you are using it. If you are using it for bad and sinful things, then it is sinful. If you are using the internet merely for the salvation of souls and lawful recreation, it is lawful and no sin in it.

Since almost every site today has commercials, it is very hard to escape temptations. Luckily, on the internet, there are options which will limit or remove almost 100% of all commercials for ever.

However, I must correct one thing I said. It does not at all constitute mortal sin to watch an acceptable program although you know there comes commercials in between (so long as you do not deliberately watch the commercials.)
One could watch the news, for example, even though they may or may not send commercials in between. Similarly, one could watch a good Christian movie on a tv network, even though they send bad commercials in between (so long as you do not watch the commercials).

However, this does not excuse pro-sports or make it lawful to watch pro-sports, since there are other aspects which make it totally unacceptable to watch (Sabbath breaking, gambling, cheerleaders, etc).

On tv, you don't have full controll of everything that happens, you could be watching something harmless like the weather and then a bad commercial could come up suddenly.

If you watch some acceptable program on the tv and a commercial happened to come up, and you did not deliberately seek the bad commercial, you committed no sin.

But with the computer, you're in full controll of what comes up, 99% of the time. Plus, nearly every kind of sin imaginable is on the internet. Stealing, blasphemy, porn, adultery, etc.

If a person deliberately seeks out these mortal sins you described: "Stealing, blasphemy, porn, adultery, etc", on the internet, then it would be mortally sinful. The same must be applied on all worldly and ungodly media that contains the above mentioned or similar things in them. A person cannot watch an ungodly or worldly sinful film without being guilty of mortal sin.

A Person can have good reasons for watching the news, etc, therefore, is he not sinning even though he may perchance see a bad scene or badly dressed woman when watching the news as long as he did not intend for them to happen and so long he was not seeking it deliberately and so long he did not agree with it and so long he did not fix his eyes on her deliberately for a longer time (a person need to look down when seeing bad scenes or unchaste woman on the street, otherwise a sin occurred, whether it be mortal or venial or even non-sinful, depends entirely on the thoughts you had while seeing the man/woman). But no person however, has a good reason for watching a bad ungodly worldly film with mortal sins in them. Thats the difference between the two, and that is what makes the first lawful (although not recommended), and the latter not.

News in itself isn’t evil or contrary to God or morals, but most newspapers today have totally unacceptable pictures which make them extremely unsuitable to read. To read newspapers which you know will contain many unchaste, immodest and sɛҳuąƖ pictures and useless stories about sex, etc., is complete idiocy and will lead to sins of the flesh if you cannot guard yourself. We advice you to never watch news on television or the like since it is so filled with sins that it is almost impossible to watch without seeing things that will injure your virtue like immodesty, make-up, blasphemy, gloating, lust, adultery etc... continuing in infinity. However, to watch news daily is hardly necessary and St. Alphonsus clearly rebukes people for this in his most excellent work, The True Spouse of Christ:

“St. Dorotheus says: "Beware of too much speaking, for it banishes from the soul holy thoughts and recollection with God." Speaking of religious that cannot abstain from inquiring after worldly news, St. Joseph Calasanctius said: "The curious religious shows that he has forgotten himself." It is certain that he who speaks too much with men converses but little with God, for the Lord says: I will lead her into the wilderness, and I will speak to her heart. If, then, the soul wishes that God speak to its heart, it must seek after solitude; but this solitude will never be found by religious who do not love silence." If," said the Venerable Margaret of the Cross, "we remain silent, we shall find solitude." And how will the Lord ever condescend to speak to the religious, who, by seeking after the conversation of creatures, shows that the conversation of God is not sufficient to make her happy? Hence, for a nun that delights in receiving visits and letters, in reading the newspapers, and in speaking frequently of the things of the world, it is impossible to be a good religious. Every time that she unnecessarily holds intercourse with seculars, she will suffer a diminution of fervor.”


It is the intention that makes people committing mortal or venial sins while watching, listening or reading something. If a person has as pleasure to watch bad sinful commercials, films, magazines or music/songs, etc. it is a mortal sin, since that person had as intention to enjoy watching/reading/listening to mortal sin and what constitutes mortal sin and ungodliness. There is no excuse for such behavior. The intent, when watching such things, is not godly motives. However, when watching a Christian film, then our intention is spiritual, therefore, even if there happen to be a bad scene there, we can lawfully watch that film (as long as we do not watch that scene or approve of it in our heart). A film that depicts heretical views however (such as Jesus Christ Superstar), can not be watched, unless for the purpose of refuting it.

So why are you so quick to condemn sports, tv, and eating at restaurants on Sunday but don't say a thing about the internet? I'm not saying we shouldn't have a computer, but I'm surprised you don't condemn something that can be even worse than television.

Why I condemn mortal sins and the breaking of God's commandments, you ask? Do I have to answer, that really?

James 4:17 “To him therefore who knoweth to do good, and doth it not, to him it is sin.”

But I would like to ask you, why do you defend mortal sins such as unnecessary, unlawful Sabbath breaking?
And why do you defend pro-sports, even after all the evidence proving it to be morally wrong and sinful?

2.- You do not know that sports athletes "approve" bad cheerleaders, bad commercials, gambling, etc. Maybe there are sports athletes who dislike these things and have spoken up but their team does not care about the trashy cheerleaders or whatever.

An athlete that continues to play in a sports team that he knows allows the mortal sin of cheerleaders, and the mortal sin of gambling, the mortal sin of Sabbath breaking, and other mortal or venial sins, do in fact by his continual deed of playing there, approve of them all. Most pro-sport athletes may also have to wear bad commercials on their outfits which condones either the mortal sin of gambling or some other possible sin. That is totally unacceptable to do. They would also agree on all the commercials that are placed on the arena where they play, whether it be for gambling, tobacco or alcohol. If there are no bad commercials, then it is no sin, if it is bad commercials, there is sin.

As a person, the athlete who sees these things taking place before his face (Sabbath breaking, cheerleaders, gambling, bad commercials, etc.), has an obligation to renounce these things by either quitting the team or by protesting and refusing to play and be part of it, until the team either complies or fires him. To do otherwise is to sin against God, to make scandal to our neighbor and to give a bad example. Only a total liar could disagree with these facts.

Pope Leo XIII, Inimica Vis, 1892: "“An error which is not resisted is approved; a truth which is not defended is suppressed… He who does not oppose an evident crime is open to the suspicion of secret complicity.” ."

Yes I agree that sports should not be played on Sunday, but it is not a mortal sin to watch sports.

It is a mortal sin to enjoy other people committing mortal sin. You know these players break the Sabbath, and you have as enjoyment watching these players breaking the Sabbath and thus committing mortal sin. You are also approving of the mortal sin of gambling by taking part in watching their sports plays, which is founded on gambling. Gambling is also continuously commercialized on the tv during the games by the announcements of the Sports betting results.
To watch something which only constitutes mortal sins, excess spending (billions upon billions of dollars on nothing), worldly vanities, etc. is a mortal sin.

Pro-sports would likewise be a mortal sin to watch only because of the cheerleaders. If you know that the sports-team you enjoy approve of these naked women from hell that tempts people into mortal sins of lust, and you watch these sports, you are watching an event that has mortal sin present at the arena and the field, and that these women are tempting the whole arena (and all the viewers world wide watching them) into lusts of the flesh, masturbation, porn, fornication, adultery, and who knows what? So to be aware of this, and yet approve of it by the continual deed of watching, is sick to say the least, and is a mortal sin.
Likewise could a person never attend a pro-sports arena that has the above mentioned mortal sins taking place in them, for then would one have a front row in an activity which constitutes an offense to God, mortal sin and scandal to his neighbor.

And what about the sports players who donate most of their money to Christian charities?

There will be no reward for a person who donates money unjustly acquired. They get their paycheck from the mortal sin of gambling, they are thus helping in defrauding people their money. If they somehow did not understand where they get their paycheck from, and if their intent is good, they will have a reward for their good deeds (either here or in the next), all good deeds will be rewarded, as all bad deeds will have its just punishment.
Everything with pro-sports today are built around gambling and to keep it exist. Without pro-sports, almost all professional gambling would cease to exist. So, even if they had no income at all from gambling, it would still be morally wrong to have as work what help to exist the mortal sin of gambling.

3.- You don't have any authority to tell people on these forums that you don't even know personally that they are in mortal sin just for eating out on Sunday... And as I said, there are some things (such as the internet) we own that we practically have to own that can lead to sin. Heck, owning cars can lead to sin, but we need them to drive, don't we?

When a person are aware of these facts, they without doubt commit mortal sin if they continue doing what they now know are wrong and condemned by the Church!
However, if a person somehow was unaware of the Sabbath, or that it was wrong (to work) or to help other people committing unnecessary work on a Sunday, for example, eating out on a Sunday (which then would constitute a work for all these people who work on that restaurant), would not necessarily commit mortal sin. Also all people who work on Sundays but are unaware of the Sabbath, may not commit mortal sin.

I say "may" not have committed mortal sin, for most "Catholics" and people who call themselves "Christian" know about the Sabbath, yet knowingly break it without a good cause. To do so, normally, would constitute mortal sin. But since in this great apostasy, there could be legitimate confusion, since some say so, and others so, it may not be a mortal sin for people who did not fully understand what they where doing or that it actually was wrong. God knows peoples intent, and why a person did something, and for what cause, and they will be judged accordingly.

But now, however, when being aware of these fact, does every person who have read this who either work unnecessarily on Sundays or who deliberately help others committing unnecessary work on Sunday, without a doubt, commit a mortal sin!

Hietanen,

Well, I'll be darned.  The stuff you posted about gambling was news to me.  I will have to think seriously about that.  It is hard to argue with SS. Thomas Aquinas and Francis de Sales.

What about all those parish bingo nights?  I am not being flippant here.  That is a serious question.

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If it's sinful to eat out on Sundays, then if you really wanted to take it to the Nth degree, the following ridiculous situations would come up:

You're committing mortal sin for using electricity on Sunday.  After all, someone at the power company has to be working in order to keep the lights on.

No, all work that has a necessity for keeping society to function is acceptable and reasonable and not against the Sabbath. You can work on a hospital on A sunday, you can have as work to feed the hungry and have as work and tend the sick, etc. I have never said anything against that. Please read what I'm actually saying.
It would also be acceptable to work on Sunday out of necessity. If a person has to do it in order to survive, and to keep his household feed, etc.

But without necessity (which most people don't fall under, mortal sin is definitevly committed). That has always been held by the Church.

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You're committing mortal sin for watching NFL games on Sunday.  Because you're "enabling" the players, coaches, referees, hotdog vendors, etc. to work on Sundays.

EXACTLY. Please, read my above posts. But your not only committing mortal sin for watching these games on Sundays, but also committing mortal sin for enjoying people committing mortal sin, such as Sabbath breaking, acceptance of cheerleaders and for making the mortal sin of gambling to exist. To enjoy what constitute intrinsically evil things is a mortal sin.

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Did the pre-Vatican2 church ever condemn the NFL for playing games on Sundays?

Before Vatican II, in the folly Catholic countries/towns, no one worked on Sundays. All towns, restaurants, etc, was closed. You should know this already from reading the beginning of this thread.

The changes occurred after Vatican II, not before. Also, before in the world, people did not get payed from playing sports. People did not have as work to play sports as people have today. Before, these sports was truly a recreation, recreation is lawful, even if played on Sunday, as long as it does not constitutes an actual work for them.

Whatever bro.  I'm willing to take my chances that watching the NFL leads to eternal damnation.  Although some people are "working," it's ultimately recreation for the vast majority of people involved.  I would agree that skipping Mass to watch or participate in a sporting event is a mortal sin, but you're dead wrong if you believe it's a sin to watch a game after you get back from Mass.

In case you didn't know, the origin of the the prohibition of servile work on Sundays/Days of Obligation was back in the medieval times when the lords used to work the peasants on Sundays and they missed Mass.  It wasn't because there's anything intrinsically evil about doing any work on Sunday if one still attended Mass.

Show me a docuмent from an American bishop before the Council that condemned professional sports playing on Sundays, and I might start taking your side seriously.

BTW am I in mortal sin if I don't pray rosaries all day on Sunday after I get back from Mass?

Whatever bro.  I'm willing to take my chances that watching the NFL leads to eternal damnation.  Although some people are "working," it's ultimately recreation for the vast majority of people involved.

It is a mortal sin to enjoy other people committing mortal sin. You know these players break the Sabbath, and you have as enjoyment watching these players breaking the Sabbath and thus committing mortal sin. You are also approving of the mortal sin of gambling by taking part in watching their sports plays, which is founded on gambling. Gambling is also continuously commercialized on the tv during the games by the announcements of the Sports betting results.
To watch something which only constitutes mortal sins, excess spending (billions upon billions of dollars on nothing), worldly vanities, etc. is a mortal sin.

Pro-sports would likewise be a mortal sin to watch only because of the cheerleaders. If you know that the sports-team you enjoy approve of these naked women from hell that tempts people into mortal sins of lust, and you watch these sports, you are watching an event that has mortal sin present at the arena and the field, and that these women are tempting the whole arena (and all the viewers world wide watching them) into lusts of the flesh, masturbation, porn, fornication, adultery, and who knows what? So to be aware of this, and yet approve of it by the continual deed of watching, is sick to say the least, and is a mortal sin.
Likewise could a person never attend a pro-sports arena that has the above mentioned mortal sins taking place in them, for then would one have a front row in an activity which constitutes an offense to God, mortal sin and scandal to his neighbor.

In case you didn't know, the origin of the the prohibition of servile work on Sundays/Days of Obligation was back in the medieval times when the lords used to work the peasants on Sundays and they missed Mass.  It wasn't because there's anything intrinsically evil about doing any work on Sunday if one still attended Mass.

No, the prohibition from servile work dates back to the Old Testament and the Mosaic Law, and was in Law from the beginning of the New Testament, although now changed from Saturday to Sunday.
All works are forbidden on Sundays, even if you go to mass before doing the work. That has always been held as law in the Catholic Church. I don't know why you make up your own laws like this, you are either flat out lying here or have not a clue what you are talking about.

Show me a docuмent from an American bishop before the Council that condemned professional sports playing on Sundays, and I might start taking your side seriously.

First it must be said that pro-sports didn't really become what it is today until after the great apostasy and the rise of modern world. Go back 100 years, and there was virtually no pro-sports at all, no world cups, etc. It was a recreation for must people, and people didn't have it as work. Neither was many sports in Catholic countries even played on Sundays, but on other days.
The situations have changed, the world has changed; we're living in the last days, and that without a Pope and a non Heretical authoritative Hierarchy that can solve or give a definitive answer to many of these hard situations/questions.

You will not find docuмents on everything, especially concerning all the new difficult situations that have arisen with the modern technological world. You will not find a docuмent condemning video games, for example, since the great apostasy happened way before the many new sins that have arisen. Therefore, evil violent video games has to be condemned (not by a definitive condemnation against it, since no such exists) but around other aspects, such as pointing out it's dangers and how it otherwise violates divine and moral law. Take the following as a clear example of this:

Almost every kind of game that exists in our sad time has numerous mortally sinful things in them which make them impossible to play without going to hell. The younger generation especially, but also older people, is so perverted and drugged by these new games that they seem to live for nothing else!

Firstly, there are the countless games who have a person going around killing or hurting other humans or creatures for fun; for example, Counter-Strike, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Starcraft, Modern Warfare, Gears of Wars, Tekken, etc. To play such a game is not only sick but abominable. Think about it: to play a game for fun or pleasure which is constituted of the murder or hurt of another being!

God solemnly declares that he will judge our every thought, how much more then will he judge our deeds? When we in our mind take delight and enjoy killing or hurting other beings, God takes this as an act in the very same way as he judges us as murderers if we hate our brother, or, as an adulterer if we look at a woman with lust in our heart. What then will God judge you to be when you in your heart love abominable things in evil video games?

If you want to read more, feel free to do so;

http://www.catholic-saints.net/spiritual/#Video-games


Today, worldwide, pagan government rules the countries and have implemented non-catholic constitutions that violates both Catholic Civil and Ecclesiastical law, therefore, must we use our reason on what we can understand, and judge those things accordingly. But if I find what you are asking for, I will gladly use it to prove my point.

What we DO know and what we do UNDERSTAND, is that all (unnecessary) works is forbidden on Sundays. Therefore, are these players committing mortal sin of Sabbath breaking, and it is clearly morally wrong to have as enjoyment watching people committing mortal sin. This is what we have to go on, and this is reasonable and logical, and is also in line with Catholic teaching who condemns to approve of evil and wrong, and you have no excuse for going against this reason since you cannot prove your cause (that it would be right to watch or enjoy people committing mortal sin of Sabbath breaking) from anything.

Besides, there are other mortal sins that makes it unacceptable to watch or enjoy pro-sports, as have already been dealt with above (cheerleaders, gambling, etc.).

BTW am I in mortal sin if I don't pray rosaries all day on Sunday after I get back from Mass?

No, you are not in mortal sin for NOT praying the rosary ALL DAY LONG.

However, you could be in mortal sin for neglecting to pray the rosary or some other prayers at all sometime during the Sunday without a good cause.

Man should not do the things on a Sunday as he would do on the other days. The Sunday is intended for God to be kept in holiness. Thus, if the only difference for you on Sundays is that you keep away from servile work, and do not give any of your time to God, what profit is there for you?

God commanded at least one day off for man so that man could rest from the world and use it for his spiritual well being, in praying, reading and doing other good works for the soul. You should thus spend the Sunday in abstaining from your own will, such as watching the tv, playing games, listening to music or the radio, etc, and instead strive to know God in solitude, prayer and meditation.

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No, the prohibition from servile work dates back to the Old Testament and the Mosaic Law, and was in Law from the beginning of the New Testament, although now changed from Saturday to Sunday.
All works are forbidden on Sundays, even if you go to mass before doing the work. That has always been held as law in the Catholic Church. I don't know why you make up your own laws like this, you are either flat out lying here or have not a clue what you are talking about.

I know exactly what the hell I'm taking about.  Yes, old Mosaic law placed all kinds of strict limitations on work on the Sabbath.  The Pharisees used that as ammo to go after Jesus.  The new law supersedes Mosaic law or else we still can't eat pork.  

I'm obviously not denying that the Christian Sabbath still has a special character to it that sets it apart from other days of the week.  But you're approaching this with a totally pharisaic spirit.

Are you a closet Orthodox Jew?

The Church has never said anything against eating pork. The Church, however, has forbidden all work on Sundays. Get this fact through your obstinate head now. This IS the Church's teaching, NOT my own. So how you can imply that I have a "pharisaic spirit" for upholding the law of God and the laws of his Church? You are just dishonest, and of bad will.

It wasn't because there's anything intrinsically evil about doing any work on Sunday if one still attended Mass.

It is an intrinsically evil act to disobey God, so it is definitely a mortal sin to work on Sundays knowingly or unnecessarily in the very same way as it is a mortal sin to eat meat on Fridays (without a good cause, such as sickness or want).

God wants obedience, rather than sacrifice. In other words, if you accept heretics or reject His dogmas or commandments, all your spiritual works will be worthless in His sight.


1 Kings 15:22-23: “And Samuel said: Doth the Lord desire h0Ɩ0cαųsts and victims, and not rather that the voice of the Lord should be obeyed? For obedience is better than sacrifices: and to hearken rather than to offer the fat of rams. Because it is like the sin of witchcraft to rebel: and like the crime of idolatry, to refuse to obey. Forasmuch as thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, the Lord hath also rejected thee from being king.”

If a person rejects God’s truth, he cannot please Him.


Only someone who does not fear God and Hell would willingly disobey His commandments.

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Fools despise wisdom and instruction." (Proverbs 1:7)

1.- Hietanen, how is everything a sports player does an act of gambling? Does a baseball player commit a mortal sin for gambling every time he swings at a pitch? Is that really gambling?

An athlete probably knows that people are putting bets on him and on his team. He are thus himself a part of the gambling results and their pay outcome. The better the player/team is, the more is he worth less for the gamblers, since their pay outcome is less. If the best player is wounded, the gambling winning prize may increase since the team is not now as strong as it would be, etc. As we can see, everything revolves around the players in regards to gambling.

The athletes probably understands that people are gambling on their sporting activities, on their injuries and their achievements, etc. which they themselves are the cause of existing.

This athlete helps not only the gambling to exist, but he is also a part of the other mortal sins that gambling may lead people into, such as ѕυιcιdє, despair, wrath, sloth and the always mortally sinful practice of excess gambling (wasting money, throwing away money on nothing when people starve; we don't own out own money, God owns them!, we only own what we lawfully need, everything else belong to our neighbor!).

It's a fact that these players are the cause of that the mortal sin of sports-gambling even exist to begin with, thats the first problem. The second problem is that they also have an income because of it, and they know about it, thats the second problem. So, when being aware of these facts, the only moral thing for a person who fears God to do, is to disapprove of it and renounce it and no longer help in the cause of this sin to exist. If he can do it, but refuses, he is in fact approving of it by his continual deed of playing.

It does not matter if a politician says he is against abortion, but by his action or silence actually helps the cause of allowing or spreading abortion. This politician would be even more culpable by his silence the more he knew of the other sins this sin of abortion lead people into committing, such as adultery, fornication, etc. If the politician really was against abortion a,d the other sins it lead people into committing, he would do everything to prevent it.

Likewise, these players are guilty of all the other sins taking place around the arena (cheerleaders, bad commercials on the field, Sabbath breaking, etc.) and all the possible sins these sins might lead people into committing, such as the mortal sin of lust, the mortal sin of masturbation, the mortal sin of adultery or the mortal sin of fornication.

There is clearly no excuse for such behavior, and if they continue to be a part of what they know and see constitutes mortal sins for millions of people! They will have no excuse at all, and neither will all those who agrees with them or enjoy them committing these mortal sins against God and against their neighbor!

2.-I think IrishUkrainian brought up a good point. If these things are mortal sins to do or even watch then we may as well go as far to say that using electricity on Sunday is a mortal sin.

No, it is not a mortal sin to use necessary things on a Sunday, don't be ridiculous. You need electricity to keep yourself warm and survive, you need electricity to feed yourself. Stop being ridiculous.

Whether it be a sin or no sin at all lies first and foremost on necessity. People can be and is excused through necessity. By necessity may you work on Sunday, if you have to. Without necessity, their is mortal sin. Likewise, if you without cause do a completely unnecessary activity such as eating out on a Sunday when you don't need to (and which most people will never need to do on a Sunday), you are in fact committing a mortal sin through non-necessity. Through this non-necessity, where you the cause of creating a possible mortal sin of unnecessary work on a Sunday to your neighbor. There is no excuse for such behavior unless you did not understand that what you did was wrong. But now, however, when being aware of these facts, you will not escape mortal sin if you are helping others in doing unnecessary work through non-necessity.

We may as well say buying a car is a mortal sin because it keeps car dealers that are open on Sundays in buisiness.

Your exactly right. You don't have to buy a car on a Sunday, you can buy a car on another day. A person will not escape mortal sin if he obstinately continue with doing unnecessary things on a Sunday that he knows will constitute unnecessary work for his neighbor on a Sunday!

If you for some reason must buy a Car, because you are about to die, and you need to go to the hospital, then do neither you nor he who sold you the car sin, since both had necessity, he for selling, and you for buying.

However, the car dealer would not escape mortal sin if he worked knowingly on a Sunday (without necessity), and if he where unaware of your position (that you where dying and needed a car), since his intention was not to help you but to earn money unlawfully on a Sunday.

We also may as well say that we are in mortal sin for using the internet on Sunday, since it takes us into a "virtual world". See the error in your logic here?

Internet is not a work, unless you make it a work. Internet is a recreation. The difference with internet and with the real world is that you cannot possible know who is working or not working on a Sunday. So when there is ignorance and uncertainty if there even is sin, there cannot possible be sin on something as delicate as the Sabbath, since this particular subject only becomes sinful through what a person can understand.

One might presume news sites on the internet work on Sundays, but watching news can be a necessity (example: tsunami alert) and are therefore lawful. Besides from necessity, one should not seek out news on Sundays, or any worldly things or activities that you otherwise would do on the other days. Sundays is intended to be kept holy in search for God through prayer and reading.

And since we're talking about internet. For those who wish to avoid all the filthy ads on the internet forever, use this program:

http://adblockplus.org/en/

3.-If sports never played on Sunday or had trashy cheerleaders you'd still find some kind of way to say it is a mortal sin to watch sports.

If sports was never played on Sundays nor had trashy cheerleaders, there would still be the gambling problem, and a problem if there was bad commercials on the field that was approving of sinful activities/sins, whether it be contraception, alcohol or gambling, etc.

As a matter of fact, I have seen both high school and college football teams that not only refrain from playing on Sundays, but likewise do not have trashy cheerleaders. Are they still in mortal sin even though they have modest cheerleaders?

Woman should not dance or perform like cheerleaders do. They are after attention and to arouse sensuality in men. To do so is totally unacceptable. This activity of cheerleading is of itself a mortal sin! To move the body as the cheerleaders do is totally unacceptable, do to so is a clear cut mortal sin in of itself!

And unless the cheerleaders are fully dressed, wearing a dress eight inches below the knees, and not revealing their upper body in anyway, they are not modestly dressed at all.

It's unacceptable to wear a dress that are tight, or that are higher than eight inches below the knees (which was the minimum standard for Padre Pio). Woman are forbidden to wear pants that are anything near tight and that reveal their behind and their legs. In fact, woman shouldn't wear pants at all, and it could possible even be a sin for woman to wear modest pants. Woman never used pants ever before (unless for extreme necessity (like in war), as did John of Arc, but even then did she have a skirt covering the behind), and that for a reason. Mans eyes is drawn to the womans behind, and that's a fact! That is why the devil want woman to use pants. Woman is also forbidden to wear shirts that reveal their upper body in an unacceptable way. To show of the breasts in any way is an abominable mortal sin to be guilty of.

As pious modest woman dressed before the start of the filthy 1900 hundreds is really how woman always should be dressed if they desire to be saved. How did pious woman dress before? In such a way that they could not do scandal to their neighbor. If you do not dress like that (to avoid scandal), then you are probably already on the road to Hell unless you change immediately!

All those who dress trashy, or use make up to make others lust at you; yes all you who make your outward appearance looking good while deforming your soul, you should read this file:

http://www.catholic-saints.net/spiritual/#Vanity

IrishUkranian said:

If it's sinful to eat out on Sundays,

I never said it was sinful.  I just think it's preferable not to.  Tanquerey in The Spiritual Life writes about how there are certain things that we do that aren't mortal or even venial sins, but that can alienate us to some degree from God.

For instance, one thing I used to do is flip around on Facebook and look at girls.  I figured it was okay because I'd just look at their faces, I wouldn't look at immodest pictures.  I also had an account at CatholicMatch and would check to see what kind of Catholic girls are out there, if they're pretty, even though I don't want to be married.

This is not a mortal or venial sin.  But why am I looking at girls in the first place, fully clothed as they may be?  Can you imagine a monk flipping through headshots of movie stars?  It's not indecent, per se, but it shows a heart that is drawn to the world.  It's like the lust had been repressed to a point where I thought it was harmless curiosity, but no, it was still lust.

 

... then if you really wanted to take it to the Nth degree, the following ridiculous situations would come up:

You're committing mortal sin for using electricity on Sunday. After all, someone at the power company has to be working in order to keep the lights on.

No, because light is a necessity.  If you read my earliest posts, I mentioned that I will get gas on Sundays, because gas stations have to be open for ambulances and so on.

You're committing mortal sin for watching NFL games on Sunday. Because you're "enabling" the players, coaches, referees, hotdog vendors, etc. to work on Sundays.

Playing football is not necessarily heavy labor.  

But yes, I do think that watching NFL football is an unedifying way to spend Sunday, and Hietanen is right about the cheerleaders.  It's pretty obvious to me that it is some kind of attack on God to schedule these games on a Sunday in the first place.  Football just bores me, though, so I haven't given it much thought.

I do see your point though.  If we have to not eat out on Sundays, then we shouldn't support any restaurant that is open on Sundays, even if we go there on other days...
My way of looking at it is, we can vote with our pocketbooks, but we don't need to take it too far.  We should just do what we can.

Like when it comes to making a decision where to shop for food, there are two problems: ( a ) Stores that sell condoms and ( b ) Stores that belong to a company whose CEO supports abortions and is on a boycott list.  In a pinch, I'll go to a ( b ) type store, and I'm not going to stop drinking Pepsi or whatever just because the CEO supports Planned Parenthood.  I rarely take it that far.  But only in an emergency will I go to an ( a )-type store, a store that sells condoms.  I'll only go there if they have something I need and that I can't get elsewhere ( this usually means a prescription at the pharmacy ).

You can't fight city hall and everything is filthy in some degree.  I just try to limit the filth.  It may not mean much, but it makes me feel good to support a mom-and-pop shop instead of going to Ralph's -- that is a good side-effect of my rigor, perhaps.  Another good side effect is that I've discovered Trader Joe's, which has cheap and good food, as well as Smart and Final, where I save lots of money, places I never went when I would just do all my shopping at the major chains.  

I don't say everyone should do this, nor do I know I'll be able to keep it up indefinitely, but for now it's what I do.