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So, because there were poor people living a century ago, albeit in countries which had Sabbath laws (which I agree with 100%, but let's face it, those are gone now), poor people who are living now ought to be even poorer by not working on Sundays, as long as they are above the "standard of living" that existed among the poor a century ago??

Tell that to DHS.  Yes, they can and will come and take your kids if you are not taking care of them, and no, social programs do not provide enough income for you to do that effectively.  So, yes, some good Catholic people do have to work on Sundays to provide their children with a decent life.  Sometimes this is necessary so that others can watch them, because these people cannot afford to pay for childcare during the week, so for them, weekend work may be the only option.

It is simply not possible to live in the abject poverty that you are speaking of, especially with children.  And, welfare as we once knew it, is gone, so people have to make choices if only to keep their kids and not have them end-up in foster care with Protestant heretics or Mormon infidels.

Now, what would you say to that?!

As I have said all along. If people MUST work they can do it.


The problem with your replies is that you seem to excuse "all" people?, who work on Sundays, and that they have a necessity for doing so (at least all who work with cooking and serving, according to you?)

Now, since I don't want to presume again, I want to ask you. Does every person that work on Sundays, do so out of absolute necessity according to you?

And do you agree with, that not ALL people who work on Sundays does so out of absolute necessity, and that these people thus could stay home or change their schedule/work to avoid performing unnecessary work on Sundays?

Where you would say "absolute necessity," I would say "necessity."  What could be "necessary" today could become "absolutely necessary" tomorrow.  In today's world and economy, one has an absolute necessity of being proactive.

You did not answer the questions. But I do understand what you are saying.

But still, one cannot break the Sabbath because of something which one thinks only could happen (unless there are grave reasons to conclude it will turn out so).
Unless there are grave reasons, there is definitely sin. Most people, who work on Sundays, probably do not fall in this category and are therefore sinning, since they could change their schedule, or change their work, but refuses to do so.

Hietanen, I still dis-agree with you. First of all, it's not your place to judge whether or not a person is in mortal sin. How do you know sports athletes are in mortal sin?  

Since the mortal sin of gambling is condemned, and since it is likewise condemned to work unnecessarily on Sundays, we are to assume, since they get a paycheck for both playing sports on Sundays and for supporting the mortal sin of gambling, that they approve of the mortal sin of gambling and of breaking the Sabbath. For a person to approve of mortal sins, is likewise mortally sinful. They also approve of cheerleaders, bad commercials, vanities, waste of many, and many other either mortal and venial sins. There are no excuse for them what so ever!

What about college football players who don't play on Sunday, are they in mortal sin just for playing?

The only thing that constitutes mortal sin for college sports, is the cheerleaders. Since these players fail to denounce this evil filth, and since they by their continual deed of playing and accepting this to take place without renouncing their sports career, they become guilty of mortal sin.

Pope St. Felix III (5th Century): "Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and, indeed, to neglect to confound evil men - when we can do it - is no less a sin than to encourage them."

Other things which could be mortal, but might not be, is that they make to much of a thing of that which is nothing, and of no worth, they spend so much time and effort on nothing, and that has no worth, and they waste a lot of money on nothing.

You also do not know that sports athletes always gamble. I would think it would be just the opposite. Why gamble when you already have millions of dollars?

I never said they themselves gamble, you didn't read what I wrote. I said that these players condone and make exist the mortal sin of gambling. They are aware of this, yet continue with supporting it by taking part of it. It is a clear cut mortal sin to continue doing or helping what constitutes mortal sin for other people, i.e. gambling, which leads countless of souls into ѕυιcιdє, despair, economic hardship and hell. Millions of people in hell screams just vengeance on the people who make this evil filth of gambling to exist.

Furthermore, it is not a mortal sin to watch sports either because we don't know for certain if these people are in mortal sin. If I turn it to baseball on a week night I'm sinning just for watching people play? You're obviously the same person who made that post about professional sports a while back.

It is a clear cut mortal sin to condone and give approval of mortal sin. You cannot sit and watch something that you know are against God's law, for to do so is a clear cut mortal sin. To enjoy other people committing mortal sin IS a mortal sin.

You know these players break the sabbath, and that they condone gambling and that they are helping this filth to even exist and that these players thus are helping other people into committing the mortal sin of gambling which had lead countless of souls into ѕυιcιdє, despair, economic hardship and eternal hell.

Again must be mention of the the devilish cheerleaders, which are an outrage and an abomination. To approve of such conducts, and in failure to denounce such, makes one likewise guilty of mortal sin. Since these players approve of cheerleaders, they are likewise guilty of mortal sin. And if you watch pro-sports, when you know they will show these cheerleaders (even if you yourself do not watch them), you are likewise guilty of mortal sin, because if you feared God, you would not watch a program which you knew condoned mortal sin and offense against God. (Now, you cannot renounce all evil things, you have to go and shop, and buy food, even though they sell bad things; but you do not ever have to watch pro-sports for any reason whatsoever, and neither is it of any importance spiritually or bodily or necessary for your survival.)

And then we have the evil, bad, disgusting commercials. Likewise, failure in denouncing this evil filth, and to approve of it by either the continual deed of watching or by the players continual deed of playing, is likewise a mortal sin. If these players feared God, they would protests and refuse to play until the tv stations complied and refused to air such filth.

Pope St. Felix III (5th Century): "Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and, indeed, to neglect to confound evil men - when we can do it - is no less a sin than to encourage them."

James 4:17 “To him therefore who knoweth to do good, and doth it not, to him it is sin.”

Pope Leo XIII, Inimica Vis, 1892: “An error which is not resisted is approved; a truth which is not defended is suppressed… He who does not oppose an evident crime is open to the suspicion of secret complicity.”