Author Topic: Going to restaurants on Sundays. (Read 17957 times)

Hietanen · « **Reply #40 on:** March 08, 2011, 08:25:16 AM »

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So, if you don't have to eat out, yet do so without a just cause, you are in fact committing a mortal sin of uncharity against your neighbor, whom you are helping in his deed of a possible mortal sin for doing unnecessary work on Sundays.

They get paid whether we show-up or not. However, in not showing-up, we may be contributing to them, eventually, getting laid-off, losing their homes, etc. Is not the Sabbath "made for man"? Which means that if you do not have to work, great, but if you do, that's okay?

No, if everyone kept the sabbath, no one would be laid of. Now, since no one keeps the sabbath, they will have their work anyway. The only difference, if you don't show up, is that you are not helping him out in his sin. What other people do, is not your fault.

Jehanne. It's only okay to do work on Sundays if you work in charity, or if you help poor, feed the hungry, tend the sick, and other like work, that must be done to keep society running. Other then that is it forbidden to work on Sundays. This is a divine law, and has always been held in the Church.

Some people have to work on Sunday to feed their families. And, for the restaurant industry, Sunday is a big money-making day. So, if you do not go out to eat on Sunday, all that you are doing is driving up the unemployment rate, causing more foreclosures, etc.

Yes, I agree 100% that you should not do "needless work" on Sundays, but enjoying a "meal out" (which we, as a family, cannot afford) with one's family on Sunday is nothing to feel guilty about.

If they HAVE to work to feed their family, then they can go to work without problem. Have never said anything against that.

If one stays away for one day from work, that will not drive up the unemployment rate, causing more foreclosures, etc, as you claim. Many shops are still today closed on Sundays, and they are not going bankrupt because of it. Neither do big companies/restaurants need to work all days of the week to make profit.

Also, to keep God's commandments is more important then material satisfaction. If people CAN stay away from their work on Sundays, but does not do it, because they want to have more wealth then they needed, they are in fact sinning mortally.

Yes, to help other people commit mortal sins of unnecessary work on Sundays IS something to feel guilty about. Only someone without conscience would disagree after being presented with these facts.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #41 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:04:36 AM »

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That was a crazy post. It being a mortal sin to eat out on Sunday is your opinion. No proof has ever been provided that it's a sin to eat out on Sunday. Are you the same person who posted that thread a while back about it being a mortal sin to watch sports?

It is a mortal sin to work unnecessarily on Sundays. Therefore, to help others in their unnecessary work on Sundays is likewise mortally sinful. It's simple logic. Besiedes, before Vatican II in most contires and town fully Catholic, all resturants or shops was closed. Think about that.

So, if you don't have to eat out, yet do so without a just cause, you are in fact committing a mortal sin of uncharity against your neighbor, whom you are helping in his deed of a possible mortal sin for doing unnecessary work on Sundays.

Regarding pro-sports on Sundays. They have their work and get a paycheck from it, so it's a work for them too. And there are many other reasons why a Catholic shouldn't take part or watch pro-sports, if you want to read more about it, feel free to do so,

http://www.catholic-saints.net/spiritual/#Pro-sports

Thanks, but I think I'll pass. I do agree that sports should not be played on Sunday, but just watching them is not a sin, much less a mortal sin. What makes you the authority to tell us what is and is not a mortal sin?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #42 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:06:19 AM »

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Roscoe! How come your're not having a poke at this Jansenist? :rolleyes:

Because Roscoe's definition of a Jansenist is incorrect. He thinks anyone who tells him he's wrong to smoke pot is a Jansenist, he probably could care less if someone is on here saying that it's a mortal sin to eat out on Sunday. Heck, for all we know roscoe probably agrees with him!

Jehanne · « **Reply #43 on:** March 08, 2011, 10:19:08 AM »

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So, if you don't have to eat out, yet do so without a just cause, you are in fact committing a mortal sin of uncharity against your neighbor, whom you are helping in his deed of a possible mortal sin for doing unnecessary work on Sundays.

They get paid whether we show-up or not. However, in not showing-up, we may be contributing to them, eventually, getting laid-off, losing their homes, etc. Is not the Sabbath "made for man"? Which means that if you do not have to work, great, but if you do, that's okay?

No, if everyone kept the sabbath, no one would be laid of. Now, since no one keeps the sabbath, they will have their work anyway. The only difference, if you don't show up, is that you are not helping him out in his sin. What other people do, is not your fault.

Jehanne. It's only okay to do work on Sundays if you work in charity, or if you help poor, feed the hungry, tend the sick, and other like work, that must be done to keep society running. Other then that is it forbidden to work on Sundays. This is a divine law, and has always been held in the Church.

Some people have to work on Sunday to feed their families. And, for the restaurant industry, Sunday is a big money-making day. So, if you do not go out to eat on Sunday, all that you are doing is driving up the unemployment rate, causing more foreclosures, etc.

Yes, I agree 100% that you should not do "needless work" on Sundays, but enjoying a "meal out" (which we, as a family, cannot afford) with one's family on Sunday is nothing to feel guilty about.

If they HAVE to work to feed their family, then they can go to work without problem. Have never said anything against that.

If one stays away for one day from work, that will not drive up the unemployment rate, causing more foreclosures, etc, as you claim. Many shops are still today closed on Sundays, and they are not going bankrupt because of it. Neither do big companies/restaurants need to work all days of the week to make profit.

Also, to keep God's commandments is more important then material satisfaction. If people CAN stay away from their work on Sundays, but does not do it, because they want to have more wealth then they needed, they are in fact sinning mortally.

Yes, to help other people commit mortal sins of unnecessary work on Sundays IS something to feel guilty about. Only someone without conscience would disagree after being presented with these facts.

Going out to eat is not "working," at least for those who are doing the eating. And, you agree, apparently, that those who are doing the cooking and serving are not sinning, either, since they are so poor to begin with (they would not be working those jobs if that was not the case) that they, by necessity, can work on Sundays. So, I guess, what's the point of discussing this any further?

Hietanen · « **Reply #44 on:** March 08, 2011, 03:02:39 PM »

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Going out to eat is not "working," at least for those who are doing the eating. And, you agree, apparently, that those who are doing the cooking and serving are not sinning, either, since they are so poor to begin with (they would not be working those jobs if that was not the case) that they, by necessity, can work on Sundays. So, I guess, what's the point of discussing this any further?

That was a ridiculous response. Just because a person work in a restaurant does not imply that he is poor or that he actually have to be working on a Sunday. Stop making presumptions.

A person who fears God and cares for his salvation is obliged to look for another work where he is not forced to work on a Sunday. If he can do it (change work), but refuse, he commits a mortal sin.

Eating out is not a work no. But that does not change the fact that you in fact are helping a person in a possible mortal sin of unnecessary work on Sundays. Since we cannot know who is working on necessity, we cannot presume, that you do, that all people working on a Sunday has necessity.

It's a certain fact, that most people working on Sundays has no necessity for doing so. In the richer countries, wages are high, and many people today live like kings compared to poorer countries. Many people could stay away from work on Sundays, or change their work, but simply refuse to do so. This is a clear mortal sin.

If you have exhausted all the options for receiving an income, for ex: looking for another job or moving to another place, or any other lawful means of receiving an income, (like receiving social welfare checks for the support of the necessities for you or your family, as long as this do not imply that you have to compromise your faith in any way,) then you are not obligated to stay away from work and can safely work on Sundays as long as it is your last option. Below are some examples of acceptable reasons of why you can work on Sundays.

If you cannot continue home-schooling your children for example, this would be an acceptable reason with continuing to work on Sundays, another example would be if you had to move to a bad neighborhood with much drugs, violence or lasciviousness that would influence you or your family in a sinful way, or if by quitting your work, you may be forced to take another work that is sinful or immoral. This would be another reason to continue to work on Sundays until you have found another work where you are not forced to work on Sundays or forced to put your family's spiritual wellbeing in jeopardy.

This goes to say if the work you do is acceptable before God. If you sin against God by the specific work you do, such as selling contraception, porn, bad newspapers with immodest images or stories about sex or other sins etc, then you cannot go to that work even if you starve or don't have the means to support yourself or your family. In such cases you have to put your entire trust in God. You cannot be the cause of your brothers mortal sins without yourself being guilty of mortal sin!

“Therefore I say to you: Be not solicitous for your life, what you shall eat, nor for your body, what you shall put on. The life is more than the meat: and the body is more than the raiment... seek ye first the kingdom of God and his justice: and all these things shall be added unto you.” (Lk. 12:22-24, 27-28, 31)

However, in the poorer countries where there is no chance of getting social welfare or income in any other way, it is totally acceptable to work on Sundays as long as the person must do it in order to survive. Many people do not operate under these conditions but work on Sundays in order to have more money than they need to survive. Yes, many people have the means necessary to stay away from work on Sundays, but only go to work to receive more abundance in riches. This is a clear mortal sin!