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Girls just don't want STEM jobs
« on: November 18, 2021, 11:07:44 AM »
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  • I have to laugh, every time I hear STEM guys talking about the statistics, how many girls "pass" on STEM hobbies, jobs, careers.

    They don't stop to think for a minute that maybe MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT. They're bumping up against reality, and they refuse to acknowledge that obstacle.

    They would rather wring their hands and try EVERYTHING to overcome nature.

    As if Google and other Big Tech firms are good ol' boys clubs, the management exclusively from Alabama, and they all have KKK robes in their closets at home, etc.
    Are they suggesting that schools are steering girls away from STEM, squelching their interest in it? So all the majority female teachers are in on the conspiracy?

    UH, HOW ABOUT "NO"?

    I used to work for a very liberal Software Engineering firm. One day, someone pointed out that there are no female devs in the room, out of 11. I'm like, "Which of you wants to write to the (very liberal) management, and accuse them of Good ol' Boys style sexism in their hiring? If a liberal company can't get 50/50 men and women, then there must be a natural reason why more men study, get qualified for, and apply for software development jobs.

    I mean, everyone at that place was probably a Democrat. They ALL wanted to see more women in software dev roles. So why weren't there any? You can't just blame upper management, you'd have to blame the office as well, since most interviews were done there. You know DARN WELL if any qualified female showed up, she'd be hired over many, many other candidates.


    As an aside, Hollywood very much treats men & women differently (see "the casting couch") but we all know who runs Hollywood. And that's a totally different subject -- many women are good at acting/drama. We're talking about careers that women seem to "pass" on for whatever reason.


    P.S. Why aren't tears shed for the gender gap -- the prominent lack of men - in female-oriented careers like nursing, kindergarten teaching, daycare, etc.?

    Oh, and they don't seem to care about female under-representation in dangerous and/or thankless jobs like oil rigs, trucking, sanitation, etc.

    It's because STEM is worshipped these days -- literally in some cases. Scientists and engineers are the new priest caste -- they are in a caste above us. We're in a caste system now.
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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #1 on: November 18, 2021, 11:43:08 AM »
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    Oh, and they don't seem to care about female under-representation in dangerous and/or thankless jobs like oil rigs, trucking, sanitation, etc.
    Fantastic points.  The above point, in particular, was made by Jordan Peterson in a great debate against libtards.


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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #2 on: November 18, 2021, 11:47:31 AM »
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  • They want women to have high-status jobs rather than men. The reason is because women who have high status jobs think they are better than most men and cannot find anyone with a high enough status to happily marry. So they never marry or have children with their pregnancies ending in abortion. A good way to reduce the population.
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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #3 on: November 18, 2021, 11:48:38 AM »
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  • Where are all the female engineers?
    Almost as many girls as boys now take GCSE physics but at A-level nearly half of all classes are 100 per cent male
    Stefano Hatfield
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    The Government-commissioned report said women were massively under-represented in engineering, and that the UK was forced to rely on immigration to fill around 20% of skilled roles
    The Government-commissioned report said women were massively under-represented in engineering, and that the UK was forced to rely on immigration to fill around 20% of skilled roles

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    Britain has the lowest percentage of female engineers in Europe: a truly shocking 8.5 per cent. In Sweden, that figure is 25 per cent, in Italy, France and Norway, it’s 20 per cent. Still not good enough, but on the right track.
    Last week, Crossrail – Europe’s largest engineering project – hosted Engineer Your Future, a programme designed to promote engineering as a career for girls. Crossrail pointed out that with mammoth projects like HS2 and Thames Tideway underway, there is a chronic shortage of engineers.

    Britain needs to double the number of engineering graduates to 87,000 a year to meet future demand. However, half of all state schools do not currently send a single girl on to university to study maths or sciences. Crossrail itself has worked with more than 100 schools to try to do something about this gaping skills shortage.

    I was digesting this while at the snappily-named CH2MHILL engineering company, which works with my daughter’s school – among others – to give pupils direct hands-on experience of what engineering actually entails.
    I sat, with other proud parents, in their presentation suite as my daughter and her friends presented - via powerpoint and CAD programmes – the results of their six-months’ work on preparing better flood defences in north London.
    I understood possibly a third of what they were talking about - unsurprising given that I didn’t take Maths or Physics A-Levels. But I could understand the palpable attention to detail, creativity, and sheer brain power displayed by both the students and their talented CH2MHILL mentors alike.

    A magnificent Italian civil engineer then addressed the room, telling us her story of coming from Italy to England to make good. Inspiring stuff, And then, a senior male engineer told us a story about some of the sexism in the industry that women encounter and overcome.
    How many times have we heard this same sorry tale? I remember lunch in the BAE boardroom years ago talking about exactly this issue. What happens to all those clever young girls? Where does the education system fail them – or is it the home? Is it parents not seeing engineering as aspirational for girls? Both of the above?

    Almost as many girls as boys now take GCSE physics but at A-level nearly half of all classes are 100 per cent male. The figure is slightly better at girls-only schools. Is it peer pressure? Are girls being put off by the idea that engineering means getting yours hands dirty and “unfeminine” rather than about using brain power?
    That’s at least partly the view of Dame Ann Dowling, the head of the engineering faculty at Cambridge University, who - by the way - helped design both a single-winged airplane and low emission jets. Dame Ann famously once suggested that parents buy their daughters Lego, but more seriously suggests that society needs to emphasise that engineering is a people business that relies above all on team communication.

    The earnest Spanish male and sparkling Irish female engineers who were my daughter’s mentors needed no such further exhortation. Britain is the land of opportunity in Europe, they said. There is almost no work for engineers in Spain, next to nothing in Ireland. If they can see it, why can’t we? And, specifically, how do we stop this lack of female engineers story remaining “an old chestnut”?
    Stefano Hatfield is editor-in-chief of High50

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/where-are-all-the-female-engineers-9571044.html

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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #4 on: November 18, 2021, 02:25:07 PM »
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  • I most certainly don’t want a job in engineering!  I have no aptitude for STEM fields and it isn’t because I’m lazy or haven’t tried.  If I designed a bridge or building, or supervised its construction, it’d fail, or better yet, never get off the ground!  I’m no good with computers or technology.  All my adult life I’ve been told, mainly by employers, that I “have to keep up.”  They’ve signed me up for classes, I’ve taken classes on my own, but I either flunk out or have to drop out because I’m just not “getting it.”  
    It’s not that I dislike the topics themselves, on the contrary, I find them interesting in many cases. I often watch docuмentaries or read books and articles about discoveries and how the universe that God created fits together.  I wouldn’t want to work in the fields because who wants to be a failure?
    If we could use the other acronym, STEAM, the A would interest me, AND I’m actually good at many of the skills needed.  Unfortunately, it’s nearly impossible to make a living wage from them.  They’ve been taken over by technology.  For example, I can knit or crochet a lovely hat, scarf, and mittens set.  But it’s time consuming and most people aren’t going to pay me even minimum wage for time it takes to make them.  Why would they when you can go to Walmart and buy a them for about $5.00, made in a Chinese factory?  Sure, a few people will buy handcrafted goods, but not as a rule.  More often than not, I make things as gifts for special occasions, therefore lose money on them!  


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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #5 on: November 19, 2021, 09:43:13 PM »
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  • Very telling almost no men go to college anymore and it's mainly women graduating but men STILL are getting in STEM jobs. Men are just bypassing college altogether and just applying, especially in the software field. Most modernist women see college as "childhood extension", so why not incur a ton of debt and do that?
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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #6 on: November 19, 2021, 11:25:50 PM »
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  • https://tinyurl.com/24vjn32t


    FEMALE HEADED CONSTRUCTION AND THE COLLAPSE OF FIU BRIDGE


    Diversity Fail? All-Women Engineering Team Blamed for Collapse of Miami Pedestrian Bridge. By Sandra Rose.

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    The all-women engineering team that designed the ill-fated pedestrian foot bridge at Miami’s Florida International University were highly touted for their advances in a field that is typically dominated by men.
    But critics are pointing the finger of blame at the female engineers for design flaws that may have brought the bridge down.

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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #7 on: November 21, 2021, 09:37:47 AM »
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  • During the lockdowns , women with the highest education could not handle or relate to their own children.  They complained the whole time when they had the education to school their children.  These were women for trump.  Most secular  parents are selfish narcissists.  They think of themselves and could care less about their children.
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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #8 on: November 21, 2021, 09:56:50 AM »
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  • Catholic Church has been pushing women into science for a very long time before stem in public schools. 
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  • The link in Reply #6 includes “suggestions” seeming to imply that having an all-woman design team was the fault of a structural failure, though the main article disputes that.  Women in building design and construction, and in being leaders, caused me to think of Mother Joseph of the Sisters of Providence (1823-1902), who is one of Washington State’s two representatives in Statuary Hall in the U.S. Capital and April 16, her birthday, is Mother Joseph Day in Washington State, but that is not widely known.
     
    Excerpted from a biographical sketch:
    https://www.providence.org/about/providence-archives/history-online/mother-joseph-of-the-sacred-heart/pioneer


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    Mother Joseph’s family life provided the foundation of skills and dedication she needed to survive and even to thrive in difficult circuмstances. … the third of twelve children … The daily requirements of a rural lifestyle demanded that she excel at household tasks such as sewing, weaving, and carding wool. Yet her talents were far more diverse.

    She also became a capable craftsman. Her father was a respected coachmaker, and young Esther spent much time with him in his shop, learning the carpentry and design skills that she later applied to constructing some of the Northwest’s first hospitals and schools.

    (She) decided to enter the Sisters of Providence … Joseph Pariseau (her father) … said, “I bring you my daughter Esther, who wishes to dedicate herself to the religious life... She can read and write and figure accurately. She can cook and sew and spin and do all manner of housework well. She has learned carpentry from me and can handle tools as well as I can. Moreover, she can plan and supervise the work of others, and I assure you, Madame, she will some day make a very good superior.”

    I was born at Providence hospital in Seattle, which Mother Joseph designed.  I can assure you that it did not collapse.  She is buried in Vancouver, Washington and someday I hope to visit her grave there.



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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #10 on: November 21, 2021, 03:29:50 PM »
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  • Catholic Church has been pushing women into science for a very long time before stem in public schools.
    Truth.  I was surprised at some women who went to Catholic school back in 1930’s to present who can’t cook and are hoarders with filthy homes.

    I think they need to teach home ec along with science.  Also, that is a Catholic nun with zero husband, children and home.

    Catholic women’s first responsibilities should be the home.  This is what is wrong with our society.  Many women today are bullied and ridiculed for staying home instead of working a job outside the home. 

    They sure didn’t do a good job of teaching the faith.  Most Vatican II Catholics don’t know the faith even though they grew up with it.   The biggest atheists are former Catholics. 


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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #11 on: November 21, 2021, 03:49:24 PM »
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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #12 on: November 21, 2021, 04:02:07 PM »
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  • It’s just the natural difference God created in the way the male and female brains work. If you give the same toy to a young girl and a young boy, while the girl happily plays with it, you can be sure that within minutes the boy is trying to take it apart to figure out how it works.  Girls want to use it.  Boys are naturally drawn to understanding why and how things work ... the causes and effects, the logic and the science.  In fact, they’ll willingly risk breaking it and losing use of it in order to find out.

    Of course the moderns claim that this is culturally conditioned.  We know that’s hogwash.

    It’s similar to the Men are from Mars stuff.  If there’s a problem, men immediately analyze the situation to see how it can be fixed or remedied.  Women are more focused on how it affects them.  So they go to a man with a problem and are upset by the man coming up with solutions.  They just want to talk about how it affected them.

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    Re: Girls just don't want STEM jobs
    « Reply #13 on: November 21, 2021, 05:00:22 PM »
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  • Is Providence hospital still Catholic? Is the religious order traditional Catholic and are the sisters working in these schools and hospitals wearing their habits?

    Many skills mentioned but Catholic Faith isn’t emphasized.  It should be number one on the list of skills.




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  • Plenty of women in these engineering fields but most can’t manage home life.
    Who is raising the children? Government daycare.  
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