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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: holysoulsacademy on October 20, 2014, 12:11:33 AM
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Many thanks to JayneK for placing us on the right path to find such pearls of wisdom from His Excellency, Bishop Williamson
The link to the article can be found here:
GIRLS AT UNIVERSITY (http://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/girls-at-university.html)
Girls at University
Emancipation’s Mess of Pottage (Gen. XXV, 29-34)
Winona, September 1, 2001
Dear Friends and Benefactors:
Canadians strike me as a gentle people; but "strike" is the word! Ten yeas ago I was innocently asked in Canada whether women should wear trousers. Some ten weeks ago, also in Canada, I was asked whether a girl should go to a conservative Novus Ordo university. The answer now to the second question may be as stormy as the answer to the first:- because of all kinds of natural reasons, almost no girl should go to any university!
The deep-down reason is the same as for the wrongness of women's trousers: the unwomaning of woman. The deep-down cause in both cases is that Revolutionary man has betrayed modem woman; since she is not respected and loved for being a woman, she tries to make herself a man. Since modem man does not want her to do what God meant her to do, namely to have children, she takes her revenge by invading all kinds of things that man is meant to do. What else was to be expected? Modem man has only himself to blame.
In fact, only in modern times have women dreamt of going to university, but the idea has now become so normal that even Catholics, whose Faith guards Nature, may have difficulty in seeing the problem. However, here is a pointer in the direction of normalcy: any Catholic with the least respect for Tradition recognizes that women should not be priests - can he deny that if few women went to university, almost none would wish to be priests? Alas, women going to university is part of the whole massive onslaught on God's Nature which characterizes our times. That girls should not be in universities flows from the nature of universities and from the nature of girls: true universities are for ideas, ideas are not for true girls, so true universities are not for true girls.
NATURE OF UNIVERSITIES
Let us begin with the true university. As defined by Cardinal Newman in his famous "Idea of a University", it is "a place of teaching universal knowledge". Universities in this sense were a creation of the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, and, as the Cardinal splendidly recalls, theology held pride of place there because, as science of the Supreme Being, it is the supreme science which alone can appoint to all other sciences their proper place. So a true university is a place for all-round learning of reality beneath the queenship of Catholic theology. The value of sciences and this need of theirs for theology is why the Catholic Church is always tending to create universities, and why she alone can create true universities, directing all study ultimately to the glory of God and the salvation of souls.
From which, one must question what kind of queenship can be exercised by Novus Ordo theologians, even conservative. Normally, "conservative" Catholics who have left Tradition are in bad faith, so will be bad teachers, while those who have never known Tradition will be ignorant, and so bad teachers. Both will make a point of "rescuing" a damsel in"schismatic" or "excommunicated" distress. Therefore a Traditional girl putting herself under "conservative" teachers will, to keep her Faith, require a special effort to resist the menfolk whom God designed (and her parents paid) her to follow. She will then be voluntarily so setting her true Catholic Faith against her true feminine nature that one or the other is almost bound to suffer.
It also follows from the queenship of Theology that a democratic age like ours, rejecting God and dethroning Theology, will make a nonsense of universities. Sure enough. All around us we see "universities" which are much worse than brothels, because not only does democratic "equality" indiscriminately herd there together all kinds of boys and girls with little or no interest in ideas so that they should not be studying in the first place, but also, by silencing Theology and rendering Philosophy ridiculous, these "universities" corrupt the highest part of the youngsters' nature, their minds, leaving their lower nature with little or no means of resisting the aided and abetted promiscuity of the two young sexes. Survey the waste on any "university" campus today - feckless unmen and trashy unwomen whose noblest activity is throwing frisbees at one another!
Such "universities" dedicated to the defiance of God and Nature, make mincemeat of the youngsters' Faith (if they had any), of their morals and of their common sense. Poor parents. But they have mocked God, and God is not mocked. Obviously no boy, let alone any girl, should be sent to such a "university". What needs to be proved is that even to a decent university, if such could be found, few or no girls should be sent. This is because of the God-given nature of girls. Which, despite today's massive propaganda to the contrary, is quite different from the God-given nature of boys!
NATURE OF GIRLS
For a sane grasp of woman's nature, let me appeal to the Church's Common Doctor, St. Thomas Aquinas, distant now by three-quarters of a millennium from our own disturbed times. The three reasons he gives in his Summa Theologiae (2a, 2ae, 177,2) why woman should not teach in Church in public can all be applied to why she should not teach or learn in a public university. Firstly, he says, teaching is for superiors, and women are- not to be superior, but subject, to their men (Gen III,16). Secondly, women stepping up to teach in public can easily inflame men's lust (Ecclus IX,11). Thirdly, "Women are not usually ("communiter") perfect in wisdom".
To grasp these three reasons, let us back up another five millennia, to Adam and Eve. Since the word "nature" comes from the Latin word for "being born", then to study a thing's nature one goes back to its birth. Eve was created by God to be a "help" to Adam (Gen. 11,18). She was to help him, says St Thomas Aquinas elsewhere (1a,92,1), not for any other work than that of generation (or reproduction), because for any other work man could be more suitably helped by another man. It follows that woman's nature is intrinsically geared to motherhood, so that in all things pertaining to motherhood she is man's superior, in all else she is his inferior, and in none of all the things in which the two sexes are complementary are they equal.
Now to attract a man so as to marry and become a mother, to nurture and rear children and to retain their father, she needs superior gifts of feeling and instinct, e.g. sensitivity, delicacy, tact, perspicacity, tenderness, etc. by which her mind will correspondingly be swayed, which is why no husband can understand how the mind of his wife works! For to do the work of generation, i.e. to ensure nothing less than the survival and continuation of mankind, God designed her mind to run on a complementary and different basis from her man's. His mind is designed not to be swayed by feelings but on the contrary to control them, so that while his feelings may be inferior to hers, his reason is superior. And reason being meant to rule in rational beings, then he is natured to rule over her (Gen. III, 16), as can be seen for example whenever she needs to resort to him for her feelings not to get out of control.
Correspondingly, while she senses family (and loves to talk about it), he responds to the world around and wants to master it (Gen II,15,19,20). While she is people-oriented, he is reality-oriented. (How often will a woman pull an idea or a question of reality back to family! - "You're against drink? You're attacking my husband!" This is in woman's nature. One does not mock her for it.) So while she is queen of feeling within the home, he must be king of reason over the home. So while he must love her and listen to her, at the end of the day she must obey him, because he is natured to take the broader view and to be the more reasonable (Eph V 22,25: Col III, 18,19).
FIRST REASON
Now what does a university call for? Whereas in modem "universities" the males all believe in "if it feels good, do it," which is why they are, as they wish, overrun by feeling females, on the contrary in a true university one thinks about universal reality, which is the prerogative of men. A woman can think in this way, or do a good imitation of handling ideas, but then she will not be properly thinking as woman. The dilemma is inescapable: she cannot do what is properly men's thinking or work without cutting across her deepest nature. Did this lawyeress check her hair-do just before coming into court? If she did, she is one distracted lawyer. If she did not, she is one distorted woman.
Moreover, true university thinking tends to produce leaders because true students have pondered on more or less universal reality. Cardinal Newman may argue that the cultivated mind is an end in itself, but if Mother Church has always raised universities, is it not because an elite of all-round minds will in any society powerfully help many souls to get to Heaven, if those minds' studying has been governed over all by the true Faith? But women are neither meant, nor normally gifted, to be leaders! Therefore girls should not be at university. As for a Queen Isabella the Catholic, Spain was her family and she never went to university! Nor did Theresa of Avila, Catherine of Sienna or Joan of Arc.
Concretely, if a girl devotes several years of her youth and much money of her parents to acquiring a university education, especially a decent one, how easily will she submit to her husband, especially if he has not had that education? And how may she not argue with him if he has had it? And if she has a "degree", how will she not think herself above the multiple humiliations of being "barefoot and pregnant"? And if she is a "graduate", how will she not hold-herself superior to being-a “vegetable at the-kitchen-sink"? And if making a family makes her forget in the right kind of way all about "graduating", "degrees" and "university", why go there in the first place? The dilemma is inescapable: in doing manly things like going to a university, either she is merely going through the motions or she is damaging her potential for motherhood - conclusion: she should not go there.
SECOND REASON
We come to St Thomas' second reason: the inflaming of lust. Enough said about today's unibrothels. What will happen if heaps of boys and girls are thrown together with mention of God even forbidden is massive common sense, but that is not the whole story!
Just suppose that a decent girl can find a decent university which is cultivating on a broad front minds of an elite of boys who will provide tomorrows world with its leaders. If she is smart enough to study, will she not be smart enough to know that even if she does not wish to distract the boys, she will still be a distraction? To this reason there is no exception. So if she is that decent, will she not prefer to hang back from distracting the future leaders that she and all her society tomorrow will need? Then the more decent the university, will she not the more keep away? What woman can be imagined taking part in Plato's Dialogues? Not even the Blessed Virgin Mary took part in the Last Supper. Girls at university are a double source of confusion, both doing what girls were not created to do, and distracting the boys from doing what the boys were created to do.
At any true university, the worthwhile students do not want to be distracted by girls. Those are exactly the potential husbands that the really intelligent girls will go after. That is why even really intelligent girls should not be at university.
THIRD REASON
For indeed - St. Thomas's third reason - "women are not usually perfect in wisdom". This is because woman's family-wisdom is priceless, it comes straight from God, but it is as wisdom, because it orders only a part of reality.
Woman's thinking is subjective, inward, intuitive, concrete, small-scale, with a gift for loving details. University thinking needs to be objective, outward, rational, abstract, large-scale, with a drive towards the grand principles. Her thinking follows her heart. University thinking can only follow the head. While a university professor is teaching, the boy will be listening to and learning from the words but the girl will naturally be listening to the man and learning by osmosis. Only by an effort will she listen to the words, because her heart is elsewhere - usually on the boys. Naturally docile and possibly possessed of more than sufficient brains, she can always do a good imitation of a good student, especially if she wishes to please a particular male professor. Nor, again, should she be mocked for that, insofar as God designed her to please and to attract - a husband. Rarely, however, will the impressive studentess be a really good student, because the Lord God simply designed her heart and mind for a quite other task. Girls, do you really want to spend so much of your time and of your parents' money on doing something God almost for sure did not mean you to be doing?
OBJECTIONS
But Pius XII encouraged you to make the best of being forced out into the world? - Maybe he was making the best of an already bad situation in the 1940's and 1950's, when he hoped women would bring to bear their femininity on the public domain. However, by the definitions of "feminine" and "public", that is a contradiction in terms. Fifty years later, who can deny that the public domain has de-feminized, woman? As a friend said, "Women used to have careers open to them only in nursing and teaching, which they did well. Now they no longer know how to do either!"
It is high time for Catholics to buck the current and to buck the world! Europe, center of Christendom, is collapsing, because European girls are all being taught to go to "university" and to "put off' having babies! Woman and family are in desperate crisis - do we want to follow the swine over the cliff?
But men today are unfit to lead, so you have to go to university to take their place? – You cannot take their place!!!! (The exception proves the rule). Today you are merely following them into "universities", tomorrow you will be following them out. By hook or by crook, do something motherly, play your part as God meant you to do, and God can give you back from above the manly leaders and the husband that you pray for and need, but that you cannot by the nature of things wrest to yourselves from below. You cannot restore God's order by breaking it. Get behind your men! Behind, you have an enormous power to inspire and guide. In front, you will merely make them more irresponsible than ever...
But what about the Dominicans' school for girls in Idaho? - As much as St Thomas Aquinas disapproves women teaching in public, he approves their teaching in private, in other words at home, "or in a home-like setting". A university cannot resemble a home, but wise Mothers can keep a girls' secondary school like a home. See the enclosed flyer for an encouragement to support the same Dominican Mothers' primary and secondary schooling in France.
But where will girls' secondary schools find women teachers if no girls go to university? -One needs no university to learn most of what secondary schoolgirls need to be taught, for instance "domestic economy, setting up home, running a house, the care and education of children, the spiritual and social preparation for marriage" - Pius XII's timeless list, to the Union of Catholic Women, June 24, 1949. Of course if the law of the land, as now in France, demands "university" "diplomas" for women to teach or to open girls' schools, then some women's "university" attendance becomes, for the duration of that law, an exceptional necessity. However, exceptions make bad rules!
But what about the co-educational college of the Society of St Pius X at St. Mary's in Kansas? - It is still a family-scale operation, typical of the true Church's drive to teach the true Faith in as much depth as possible amidst difficult circuмstances, but according as it may expand and rise in the future to a truly university level of teaching, I for one piously hope that the boys will by then be giving such a lead and example, creating such a new world, that the girls will no longer feel any need to attend.
But what are girls in the meantime to do, who have a brain and are not ready to get married? - Let them use their brain: firstly, to grasp how God designed them, and for what role; secondly, to pray God He grant us all some men; thirdly, to read at home on their own (for instance Jane Austen, a classic example of how much domestic woman can do); fourthly, to devise with their parents a feminine place and function where they can mature towards marriage. Or - for Heaven's sakes - let them think of a vocation! Old saying: "A woman is once a woman, a nun is twice a woman"!
CONCLUSION
For all these reasons, domestic girls are not by nature for public universities. Where did modern man go wrong?
As man puts himself in the place of God, so this life on earth blocks out of view any after-life in God's Heaven or Hell. Man's pride unchains his inclination to pleasure here below. Self comes first But children - however unconsciously -demand and reward selflessness in their parents. Therefore the children, and the demand, and the reward, most go. But woman's life is natured to center around children. Therefore woman's life in particular becomes empty, as does her home, especially if working conditions take her husband also away. She will inevitably follow him into his domains, eg. university, where she is liable to impose female patterns that do not belong, but that are frustrated at home. She will not let her being remain meaningless!
As this letter has often argued, such a breaking of family, home and woman is too deep a violation of Nature for the modem way of life to be able to survive. With men in the lead, Catholics, whose Faith should give them a handle on Nature, will be wise, according to circuмstances, to take remedial action now. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.
Men, think! Give substance to the home! Girls, I bless you, your parents and all dear readers.
Sincerely yours in Christ,
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And what is she to do if she has no vocation, and no man to marry? Her parents will die eventually and leave her homeless. I understand the dangers of modern colleges but consigning a woman to a minimum wage job, which is all she can hold w/o an education, will only ensure her living in poverty and that is no solution. At some point our young women must learn to live in the world but not of the world. Not an easy task in this day and age.
Until some wealthy traditional Catholic endows a vocational school for women what should they do?
Marsha
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And what is she to do if she has no vocation, and no man to marry? Her parents will die eventually and leave her homeless. I understand the dangers of modern colleges but consigning a woman to a minimum wage job, which is all she can hold w/o an education, will only ensure her living in poverty and that is no solution. At some point our young women must learn to live in the world but not of the world. Not an easy task in this day and age.
Until some wealthy traditional Catholic endows a vocational school for women what should they do?
Marsha
The aim of totalitarian education has never been to instill convictions but to destroy the capacity to form any.
-Hannah Arendt
Let's not follow the propaganda we've been taught, seeking out exceptions and befuddling our mind with grey area until we have no convictions left.
Women are supposed to be feminine, not compete with men for manly jobs, and be the person who takes care of the home as its "heart".
Of course if a woman can't get married (or can't find a suitable spouse), she must then use her head and still choose a job path that won't destroy her femininity. There are plenty of them.
Too many women today use "what if I end up a single old maid" as an excuse to be just like any worldly woman, to wit: going to college right after High School, taking on as much student loan debt as a man, pursuing a career with MORE fervor than her male counterparts, and getting a more established career than her male counterparts. Oh, and often she is so focused on pleasing the authorities (getting that career/education) that she IGNORES or despises the many opportunities (Mr. ___ and Mr. ____) that God sends her to get married.
That is obviously wrong.
And while it's admirable to have a "backup plan", it's also true that most women today (under 30) are doing better career-wise than their male counterparts. So there will be a temptation for HER to do the money-earning, for HIM to stay home with the children. Can we say total inversion of the natural order?
At least if she doesn't have a job, her humbly-employed husband (or potential husband) won't be intimidated away from marrying her. AND he'll be forced/nudged to advance HIS career and go out and earn a living, rather than succuмbing to temptation of "necessity" to have her work (with or without himself working) to support the family.
It's easy to keep your wife home when she barely earns enough to pay for the 2nd car, work clothes, takeout food, etc. that her working necessitates. But when she's earning good money, it's very tempting.
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And what is she to do if she has no vocation, and no man to marry? Her parents will die eventually and leave her homeless. I understand the dangers of modern colleges but consigning a woman to a minimum wage job, which is all she can hold w/o an education, will only ensure her living in poverty and that is no solution. At some point our young women must learn to live in the world but not of the world. Not an easy task in this day and age.
Until some wealthy traditional Catholic endows a vocational school for women what should they do?
Marsha
Even men are wasting time in universities nowadays. Things have changed big time. Better to have the entrepreneurial spririt. Women are better off having home businesses. Colleges and universities have been infiltrated by communist, progressive, and leftist ideas, not to mention the total moral decadence and spiritual chaos one witness in the vast majority of institutions.
There are other options out there that better suit Catholics.
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While those risks Matthew mentioned are certainly possible, I don't think avoiding those risks out weigh the risk of consigning innumerable women to ignorance and poverty because of fear of the world.
Would you say the same thing about high school? Grade school? Certainly their are risks attending those too. There are few good traditional schools and not everyone can home school, sometimes public schools are the only option for a family to educate their children. It's not like 60 years ago when there was a decent Catholic school in almost every neighborhood. Thank you very much Vatican 2 :sad:
I don't say that all young women should go to college, I just don't think they should be denied it out of hand. It is a decision that would need some hard and long thought.
Marsha
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Women are better off having home businesses.
That might be one solution, what kind of businesses are you thinking of?
Matthew also mentioned:
Of course if a woman can't get married (or can't find a suitable spouse), she must then use her head and still choose a job path that won't destroy her femininity. There are plenty of them.
Which ones do you have in mind Matthew?
I think this brain-storming could be very valuable, helping parents out there think of new way to encourage their children to earn their living. All too often we only think "in the box" and about working for some corporation.
Marsha
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Would you say the same thing about high school? Grade school? Certainly their are risks attending those too. There are few good traditional schools and not everyone can home school, sometimes public schools are the only option for a family to educate their children.
Yes, I would say the same thing about public high school or public grade school. They are run by evil people whose goal is to corrupt the youth and send them on the road to hell. Why do you think they teach children to be promiscuous and shuttle young girls to the abortion mills when they get pregnant without even telling the parents. When the Church was stronger she used to warn people that it would be a mortal sin to send your children to godless public schools. I remember reading that, but I do not remember where, so sorry I cannot give you a source.
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My youngest daughter is 17 and, not surprisingly, still unmarried. (The older girls are married.) We are thinking about her future education now as she finishes high school. I am making a point to encourage her to develop homemaking skills because this was neglected in my own youth.
As far as providing her with a marketable skill, we are looking at something music related. She has been playing piano since she was small and is rather good now. I know that a lot of music teachers work from home and it seems like a job with a lot of flexibility to work around one's own family.
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Many thanks to JayneK for placing us on the right path to find such pearls of wisdom from His Excellency, Bishop Williamson
The link to the article can be found here:
GIRLS AT UNIVERSITY (http://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/girls-at-university.html)
You are welcome. I am pleased that you found it helpful. I have reread this many times over the years and was glad to share it.
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Women are better off having home businesses.
That might be one solution, what kind of businesses are you thinking of?
Matthew also mentioned:
Of course if a woman can't get married (or can't find a suitable spouse), she must then use her head and still choose a job path that won't destroy her femininity. There are plenty of them.
Which ones do you have in mind Matthew?
I think this brain-storming could be very valuable, helping parents out there think of new way to encourage their children to earn their living. All too often we only think "in the box" and about working for some corporation.
Marsha
There are jobs that make good use of, and encourage, talents and tendencies that women GENERALLY have (or should have!) in abundance: things practical (rather than abstract), making use of her intuition/emotions (think: childcare), and domestic (rather than "out there in the rat race"). By domestic, I mean something where a woman can basically treat it like she would treat a family.
So, to apply it a bit...
Good: Teacher, nurse, secretary, author, cook, accountant, bookkeeper, florist, anything artsy/creative, etc.
Bad: Police officer, fireman, construction worker, soldier, athlete, manager (anything that involves leading men), etc.
A woman can be an accountant for many years and make a fine wife. Women naturally like to concern themselves about the good of the household (how much food/money is in the larder, etc.)
However, an ex-police officer is not going to be very docile to her husband. And so forth.
The "good" jobs I listed are not "McDonald's jobs" nor are they minimum wage. If she needs/wants to make a killing (that's between her and God) there are ways to do so without totally destroying one's femininity.
Also notice that the "good" jobs I listed do NOT require a women to use her body (or her looks) to make a living. There are many jobs that managers prefer to fill with women so as to take advantage of human nature -- even if a man isn't ready to have an affair, he might at least say "yes" to that young lady when she asks if he wants the service plan, you know, to make him feel like a big sugar daddy for a few minutes...
P.S. When looking at career paths for your daughters, you need to consider the girl's natural talents/inclinations, personality and temperament. My wife, for example, is very rational, good at Math, and not artsy at all. So she naturally gravitated towards accounting (which, incidentally, is "in her blood" as several of her aunts, as well as her mother, are in that line of work). She has a very German attention to detail.
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I remember a conference by Bishop Williamson wherein he lamented how banks hire young beautiful women and here they use their natural beauty and charm that God intended to attract a husband for something as misplaced as bank customer service.
A woman should use her youth and natural charm to attract a man she's interested in, rather than using her charms on every bank customer, willy-nilly.
Just one of the many philosophical observations the good Bishop made over the years...
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My youngest daughter is 17 and, not surprisingly, still unmarried. (The older girls are married.) We are thinking about her future education now as she finishes high school. I am making a point to encourage her to develop homemaking skills because this was neglected in my own youth.
As far as providing her with a marketable skill, we are looking at something music related. She has been playing piano since she was small and is rather good now. I know that a lot of music teachers work from home and it seems like a job with a lot of flexibility to work around one's own family.
Encourage her in composition, production maybe even putting down her style of teaching on to a digital format that she can market and distribute. Now more than ever, a girl has more options while waiting for God to send her a spouse.
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Yes, I would say the same thing about public high school or public grade school. They are run by evil people whose goal is to corrupt the youth and send them on the road to hell. Why do you think they teach children to be promiscuous and shuttle young girls to the abortion mills when they get pregnant without even telling the parents. When the Church was stronger she used to warn people that it would be a mortal sin to send your children to godless public schools. I remember reading that, but I do not remember where, so sorry I cannot give you a source.
Our priest said that at one time the Church excommunicated parents who sent their kids to public schools, but I assume that was in the day when there was a decent Catholic school practically in every neighborhood, sadly that is no longer true.
So what do you suggest?
Marsha
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Yes, I would say the same thing about public high school or public grade school. They are run by evil people whose goal is to corrupt the youth and send them on the road to hell. Why do you think they teach children to be promiscuous and shuttle young girls to the abortion mills when they get pregnant without even telling the parents. When the Church was stronger she used to warn people that it would be a mortal sin to send your children to godless public schools. I remember reading that, but I do not remember where, so sorry I cannot give you a source.
Our priest said that at one time the Church excommunicated parents who sent their kids to public schools, but I assume that was in the day when there was a decent Catholic school practically in every neighborhood, sadly that is no longer true.
So what do you suggest?
Marsha
Homeschool :jumping2:
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Good: Teacher, nurse, secretary, author, cook, accountant, bookkeeper, florist, anything artsy/creative, etc.
Bad: Police officer, fireman, construction worker, soldier, athlete, manager (anything that involves leading men), etc.
- Teachers need a college degree
- Nurses need a college degree (RN is no longer sufficient)
- Secretaries need vocational training
- Authors need training to learn to write well, vocational/college needed as few come by this naturally.
- Cooks (chef) need vocational training
- Accountants need a college degree
- Bookkeepers need vocational training
- Florists need OJT + floral design classes
Except for the florist all of these need vocational school and/or college degrees.
So even "good" jobs would require a woman to get at least some degree of "higher" education. This is why I think a blanket statement that women "should not go to college" is shortsighted.
I completely agree with your list of "bad" employments for women. I absolutely believe there are many jobs that women should not do.
Marsha
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Yes, I would say the same thing about public high school or public grade school. They are run by evil people whose goal is to corrupt the youth and send them on the road to hell. Why do you think they teach children to be promiscuous and shuttle young girls to the abortion mills when they get pregnant without even telling the parents. When the Church was stronger she used to warn people that it would be a mortal sin to send your children to godless public schools. I remember reading that, but I do not remember where, so sorry I cannot give you a source.
Our priest said that at one time the Church excommunicated parents who sent their kids to public schools, but I assume that was in the day when there was a decent Catholic school practically in every neighborhood, sadly that is no longer true.
So what do you suggest?
Marsha
Homeschool :jumping2:
Well I homeschooled my own children so I think it is a great idea but I also realize that not every one can do it. Sometimes there are health and/or special education needs that preclude it.
Marsha
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Good: Teacher, nurse, secretary, author, cook, accountant, bookkeeper, florist, anything artsy/creative, etc.
Bad: Police officer, fireman, construction worker, soldier, athlete, manager (anything that involves leading men), etc.
- Teachers need a college degree
- Nurses need a college degree (RN is no longer sufficient)
- Secretaries need vocational training
- Authors need training to learn to write well, vocational/college needed as few come by this naturally.
- Cooks (chef) need vocational training
- Accountants need a college degree
- Bookkeepers need vocational training
- Florists need OJT + floral design classes
Except for the florist all of these need vocational school and/or college degrees.
So even "good" jobs would require a woman to get at least some degree of "higher" education. This is why I think a blanket statement that women "should not go to college" is shortsighted.
I completely agree with your list of "bad" employments for women. I absolutely believe there are many jobs that women should not do.
Marsha
When it comes to answering complicated questions like this one, you can have EITHER ONE of these:
Simple Answer
Correct Answer
But not both! :)
We have to be wise as serpents and simple as doves.
You need to look at the daughter in question. I believe a parent or other trusted elder can discern where the daughter is headed. Does she seem anxious to get married? Is she outgoing, beautiful, intelligent, etc.? What are her interests? How many young men does she encounter in the average month? How many at your local chapel? Etc.
If you think she might need education, there are many ways to get it. You have to be creative and think outside the box. You can take many classes from home these days (there are a TON of online colleges now), or learn on the Internet in a more informal manner (surfing the web and reading books). In my list (above) the only ones "you ain't gettin' in" without a degree/certification are: accountant, nurse, and teacher. Sure, the others you best be able to do the job, but you can get that knowledge however you please. Heck, an internship or apprenticeship with an older (experienced) lady in that field would probably suffice.
But let's remember that college is *very* dangerous. Most colleges, I mean. It takes a special kind of person (willing to stay aloof from others and not be influenced by peers) to survive the ordeal with their soul in one piece.
If you want a general rule to go by -- well, the Bishop said it best. Any cases of higher education for women should be considered exceptions to the rule, and undertaken with the greatest caution.
Of course, men have to be darn careful as well -- but that's another story for another day.
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I remember a conference by Bishop Williamson wherein he lamented how banks hire young beautiful women and here they use their natural beauty and charm that God intended to attract a husband for something as misplaced as bank customer service.
It must have been an old conference. Now, if the internet is broken or doesn't let me do what I need, I always find myself talking to an Indian with a very thick accent talking from a fixed script.
That is about as uncharming as banking can get.
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It is high time for Catholics to buck the current and to buck the world! Europe, center of Christendom, is collapsing, because European girls are all being taught to go to "university" and to "put off' having babies! Woman and family are in desperate crisis - do we want to follow the swine over the cliff?
Excuse me, part of the reason that Europe is collapsing is because European men decided they wanted to have as much sex as possible without consequences. So they bullied and cajoled women into accepting contraception, abortion and divorce. Also, men want women to take on careers because it lets them off the hook financially when it comes to supporting the family and, with fewer children, means they can spend more of their income of cars, holidays and gadgets.
Of course, this applies to men all over the world, and not just in Europe.
By hook or by crook, do something motherly, play your part as God meant you to do, and God can give you back from above the manly leaders and the husband that you pray for and need....
But God also meant a good portion of women to take up the religious life, or there would be no nuns.
But what are girls in the meantime to do, who have a brain and are not ready to get married? - Let them use their brain: firstly, to grasp how God designed them, and for what role; secondly, to pray God He grant us all some men; thirdly, to read at home on their own (for instance Jane Austen, a classic example of how much domestic woman can do); fourthly, to devise with their parents a feminine place and function where they can mature towards marriage.
Jane Austen had a house full of domestic servants to do her housework for her. And she never married.
Or - for Heaven's sakes - let them think of a vocation! Old saying: "A woman is once a woman, a nun is twice a woman"!
At last. What shame it reads like an afterthought though. Given that '"a nun is twice a woman" you would think that a vocation would be at the top of his list of suggestions for girls.
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It is high time for Catholics to buck the current and to buck the world! Europe, center of Christendom, is collapsing, because European girls are all being taught to go to "university" and to "put off' having babies! Woman and family are in desperate crisis - do we want to follow the swine over the cliff?
Excuse me, part of the reason that Europe is collapsing is because European men decided they wanted to have as much sex as possible without consequences. So they bullied and cajoled women into accepting contraception, abortion and divorce. Also, men want women to take on careers because it lets them off the hook financially when it comes to supporting the family and, with fewer children, means they can spend more of their income of cars, holidays and gadgets.
Of course, this applies to men all over the world, and not just in Europe.
By hook or by crook, do something motherly, play your part as God meant you to do, and God can give you back from above the manly leaders and the husband that you pray for and need....
But God also meant a good portion of women to take up the religious life, or there would be no nuns.
Nuns can have spiritual children like we encourage women to marry young we should also encourage women to enter a convent young.
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Excuse me, part of the reason that Europe is collapsing is because European men decided they wanted to have as much sex as possible without consequences. So they bullied and cajoled women into accepting contraception, abortion and divorce. Also, men want women to take on careers because it lets them off the hook financially when it comes to supporting the family and, with fewer children, means they can spend more of their income of cars, holidays and gadgets.
Of course, this applies to men all over the world, and not just in Europe.
As you would say "excuse me" but the real reason Europe is collapsing is feminism and the freedom of women to pursue careers and do whatever they want. They put off children for the good life of keeping up with the Joneses next door. You need to get off your little feminist "it's all the man's fault, never the woman's" little tirade. If you look at China, Latin America, and the Islamic world their birthrates are at an all-time high for a simple reason: refusing to let women do what they want these peoples use the State and punishment if necessary to enforce women to have children. On the contrary, most men (with a few exceptions of course) want to have a family but women have shoved them aside in the workforce which stripped their responsibilities as a father and husband and made them do criminal activity instead.
But God also meant a good portion of women to take up the religious life, or there would be no nuns.
How can you speak about celibacy, when as a race, Europe is dying, and each woman needs to have nine children each? Besides any girl who wished to be a nun these days would lose her soul in the cloistered life with older nuns telling her to rebel against the "patriarchal" Church.
Jane Austen had a house full of domestic servants to do her housework for her. And she never married.
On the contrary, any education is secondary, as the woman should first be concerned about the physical health of her body so she may have healthy children, her beauty needed to attract a man, and her sound moral character needed to maintain a marriage.
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"So, to apply it a bit...
Good: Teacher, nurse, secretary, author, cook, accountant, bookkeeper, florist, anything artsy/creative, etc.
Bad: Police officer, fireman, construction worker, soldier, athlete, manager (anything that involves leading men), etc."
I will agree that a teacher (men don't have the patience to deal with rowdy children like women do), nurse (a caregiving role suited for a woman, but that should be as high as a woman goes in a medical profession leaving becoming a doctor to a man), secretary, clerk-typist, etc. are good professions for women and I would add working on a farm with her husband and a factory worker as well. Obvously a police officer, lawyer, doctor, soldier, businesswoman, etc. are bad for women and the community. An athlete can depend. Obviously making athletics a career is bad but athletics in school is not. Again an author can depend as well, since women have written both bad books (romance novels, left-wing novels, etc.) and good books (Catholic books, classic literature, etc.).
The ideal job is to become a home-maker/mother.
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And what is she to do if she has no vocation, and no man to marry? Her parents will die eventually and leave her homeless. I understand the dangers of modern colleges but consigning a woman to a minimum wage job, which is all she can hold w/o an education, will only ensure her living in poverty and that is no solution. At some point our young women must learn to live in the world but not of the world. Not an easy task in this day and age.
Until some wealthy traditional Catholic endows a vocational school for women what should they do?
Marsha
Even men are wasting time in universities nowadays. Things have changed big time. Better to have the entrepreneurial spririt. Women are better off having home businesses. Colleges and universities have been infiltrated by communist, progressive, and leftist ideas, not to mention the total moral decadence and spiritual chaos one witness in the vast majority of institutions.
There are other options out there that better suit Catholics.
Could not agree more with this statement!
I noticed this post and I thought it was interesting, I tend to post 99% on crisis of the Church, but I thought a little rest from theology might serve me some good ^_^.
Worst mistake I ever did was go to college, every single bad choice I have ever made has been related to my going to college. Instead I should have followed my older brother's advice and simply have studied what I wanted to do. I would already be a professional programmer, and doing the projects that I am interested in. I would have also had the time to study Hebrew, Greek and master my Latin.
This is especially true now that we have tools like the internet that allow the autodidact to be able to teach himself with the guidance of always someone of course, whatever it is that you consider your personal goals. Plus there are so many awesome tools out there available, its amazing.
Everything that is good and important that I have learned has been outside of the University. People that already have the resources to have school paid for etc... Might be in a better position to attend university, but it really wasn't for me.
Instead, during that time I could already have self-taught myself all the things that I am barely doing that I have always wanted to do. I learn much better at my own pace, and not only that I don't get to neglect my health in the process. University gives you mostly busy, stupid work, that adds little to nothing to wisdom. Most people don't work in the career that they graduated, it is pretty bad. Now bachelor's degree is the new high school degree, and honestly with very rare few exceptions I tend to advice against going. Or waiting a bit before heading to the University, think everything through.
I neglected so many other important things, simply because it was always an exam after another exam, and it doesn't allow you to think about what you want to do. A little bit of time to really help you build long lasting habits, can go a long way.
There are industries being created at the moment, that don't have any sort of University degree. It is to the life-long learner that the new and most interesting jobs are going to be given to. Instead of wasting loans on a bad debt, it is a good idea to study and work hard to be your own boss. The point is that if you have the self-discipline to be consistent and keep to schedule. Self-learning can take you real far, its just a matter of finding the right mentors to guide you, and having what we call in spanish, "ganas" or a strong desire.
One of the most important skills in modern society is advanced computer skills, really take you far. Learning how to be efficient, and be able to have an excellent workflow.
I definitely recommend to those who are already not familiar, to take the leap to learn Linux the operating system, use any modern distributions. I have as a result really learned so much, where as I used to be just a power user. Now I can truly say that I know what I am doing, and I keep learning more of course. This will of course be helpful in my future goals, whatever they may be.
I would definitely recommend for women to get more involved in trying to find a way to be able to work from home. Ideally, if the husband can work closer to home, the better things will be. Remember that the word "husband" means "house bound" thus the most important thing to the important formation of children. Is to have both parents be present in the life of the child, as opposed to just mom and dad is a stranger to the raising of the child.
So learning these skills can be a huge plus to any future entrepreneur:
1) Be a fast typer, and even if possible learn stenography.
2) Learn some basic programming, any high level language will suffice.
3) Learn any linux/unix based operating system where by you are given true freedom as a user.
4) Learn how to be able to use an excellent text editor, such as Vim or Emacs with certain plugins. Microsoft Word, and other similar word processors are useless.
5) Learn software that has long and proven track records, and whose standards are not going to change much in the near future.
6) Don't be afraid to learn new things, and give it your best. Be a life long learner, and true education is never over.
7) Learn how to do some web development, designing of websites or anything similar to that sort. How to build your own wiki, and so forth.
8) Save and upload all your specialized configurations on Github, and automate your installations of software and settings. I.e. be efficient, learn how to detect any thing you do frequently and find a shortcut way to be able to handle it.
9) Find a relative, or a friend online, whoever that can be able to guide you through the initial hard learning curve.
10) Reap the rewards, and be a guru.
All of these things will help you better manage huge volumes of email efficiently, since it will be a very important form of communication to any person who works from home.
The earlier the age you start these things the better, and I would say definitely buy the books that I would say are the reference manuals. Spend like $500 dollars on the best stuff out there, and download the rest. The main point is that this is your investment in your self-education, these things are worth every penny. 100 times cheaper then any education you will get at a University. There are those that are intellectually lazy or don't have that initial drive to push them through. They would just waste most of their time, instead of using it wisely. To them I would just argue that even University won't do you any good. I would recommend simply go to the workforce and stay there long enough, until you finally have that drive to be a committed life time learner. A good home based business, should generate more then enough income to live a decent simple life worst case scenario, and best case scenario be very wealthy. Most importantly, you get to spend time with each other and raise the children properly as God intended. The younger you start, the better these things can work. There are some incredible programmers I know, that are only 18 years of age, and they started really young!
Never forget whether you are a male and a female, but especially if you are a female. To stay in excellent physical shape, because if you don't start these habits when you are younger once you get old it will be impossible to begin. The duties in your state of life, are going to drain you so much that you will simply feel like you never have enough energy. An excellent exercise routine will really help balance the intense intellectual life, and really help you to de-stress. There is no excuse for someone not to exercise, its just how important it is to you. Exercising pays in high dividends when you dedicate the time and the effort, plus it can be fun when you do calisthenics.
I have never been very athletic, as I never paid any importance to that. I saw that the life of the mind, is the most important thing and forgot to balance myself. Well it turns out that as you get older, things get a bit harder. Math used to be easier for me, and many other subjects when I was in high school, deep level of abstract thinking especially. Now that I do balance both worlds, I can say that my intellectual life has had a jump start as a result of physical exercise. Plus when you are physically tired, and mentally tired you seem to get the best rest.
To develop the habit I say one year of consistent training will get you really good results, even if you are completely weak when you initially started, just like I was! Take a year off school, or work if you can and set your life straight. Really try your best to improve as much as you can, and you will see when you get back to work/school you will do 10 times better. If you already have a family, well it might be a bit harder but not impossible. As with any habit, you have to get it to be as easy as breathing, you don't even think about it.
For women I can't stress this enough, it is very important to try your best to be as healthy as you can be. Obviously without being obsessive about it, you really can't change your bone structure, and many other things. You can just improve with what you have been given, so just work with what you have and worry only about those things that are still within your control. It will certainly make a difference, if you are within your healthy weight range, and if you are 100 pounds overweight. Even Catholic men, tend to think not with their intellect (they should), but rather with their passions when making a choice of a spouse.
Lastly whether you are a female or a male, be happy with the gifts/talents that God specifically gave you and try your best to reach your potential. Don't feel rushed, you have all the time in the world. So long as you are really actively being consistent in working at your goals, you will make progress. With good progress, you develop a healthy feedback loop. So that it only encourages you more to continue and keep working hard. The mentality that if you don't graduate in 4 years or accomplish x by a certain time period, is idiotic. It assumes that everyone starts with the same circuмstances in life. Many people have a very harsh life, and yet they still work at their own pace to get their education. You don't need a diploma to tell you how much you really know, only you know what you are truly capable of and if you know what you are talking about. Another two skills that is a huge benefit for men in the workplace, is learning public speaking. Some folks might be really good natural speakers, but this is a skill that is really one of those that can be taught. I myself have to improve in this area, as I can still have a bit of stage fright depending on what audience I am talking to. The important thing is to learn that skill, this will increase your pay check without a doubt, an extra 0. Taking a course in college, won't make a difference either, you really need to simply practice doing this.
Example:
1) Someone losing weight at a good long term steady pace, feels better and general well being is increased. This encourages you to keep at it and work harder. Improves your good self-esteem and this is good especially when you are out there on the work force.
2) You start learning some new computing skills, and you start seeing with a few changes huge productivity boost within your work. This helps you to keep researching and learning what works best for you, and sooner rather then later you have your ideal workstation.
Start already and quit planning your grand maestro plan, of how you will do all of these things. Every year I would tell myself, "this is the year." Nothing... So I just decided to do just start doing something as opposed to nothing, and then you can later watch/read etc... Its not necessary to have a buddy, but it can be good to have one initially when you start. I had someone I started with for the first month, just to get me started after that I really did not need anyone.
Wish you all the best, in your life choices/goals.
Above all, God alone. Fiat voluntas tua. Amen
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Excuse me, part of the reason that Europe is collapsing is because European men decided they wanted to have as much sex as possible without consequences. So they bullied and cajoled women into accepting contraception, abortion and divorce. Also, men want women to take on careers because it lets them off the hook financially when it comes to supporting the family and, with fewer children, means they can spend more of their income of cars, holidays and gadgets.
Of course, this applies to men all over the world, and not just in Europe.
As you would say "excuse me" but the real reason Europe is collapsing is feminism and the freedom of women to pursue careers and do whatever they want. They put off children for the good life of keeping up with the Joneses next door. You need to get off your little feminist "it's all the man's fault, never the woman's" little tirade. If you look at China, Latin America, and the Islamic world their birthrates are at an all-time high for a simple reason: refusing to let women do what they want these peoples use the State and punishment if necessary to enforce women to have children. On the contrary, most men (with a few exceptions of course) want to have a family but women have shoved them aside in the workforce which stripped their responsibilities as a father and husband and made them do criminal activity instead.
But God also meant a good portion of women to take up the religious life, or there would be no nuns.
How can you speak about celibacy, when as a race, Europe is dying, and each woman needs to have nine children each? Besides any girl who wished to be a nun these days would lose her soul in the cloistered life with older nuns telling her to rebel against the "patriarchal" Church.
Jane Austen had a house full of domestic servants to do her housework for her. And she never married.
On the contrary, any education is secondary, as the woman should first be concerned about the physical health of her body so she may have healthy children, her beauty needed to attract a man, and her sound moral character needed to maintain a marriage.
Feminism (min is a derogative jew word for christian/Goy) you find Jєωιѕн Matron GAng leaders stirring the pot such as Prof greer(and others)
Zionist-Mason Thatcher most visibly destroyed British Industry & Unions
During her time Big Business disengaged wages from productivity. We would all be on double our wage if Crony-jew Capitalism kept it fair on a level playing field.
They make housing massively expensive (evily support sky-high prices with Billions in hidden public subsidies) because it forces both partners into work for the usury banking swindlers in the City (more sheep to fleece)
In one of Orwell's books when banks were fixed against Gold Standard (and could not conjure up imaginary money they don't have, to charge interest and repayments on) the rate for Mortgage for house was
2x single salary over 15yrs
People are not taught & do not understand exponential, compound usury interest, which ever longer/larger house mortgage repayment loans crucify you with.
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Traditional Guy 20 said,
.... the real reason Europe is collapsing is feminism and the freedom of women to pursue careers and do whatever they want. They put off children for the good life of keeping up with the Joneses next door. You need to get off your little feminist "it's all the man's fault, never the woman's" little tirade.
You're blaming feminism for the collapse of Europe and then accusing me of being on a feminist tirade! I was there, while the sixties' sɛҳuąƖ revolution was unfolding, and I can vouch for the fact that it was instigated by men. Yes men, who bullied and cajoled women into accepting so called 'sɛҳuąƖ liberation'. If you don't like that then hard luck. But it doesn't change the facts.
And stop blaming feminism for everything. There is far more to the collapse of Europe, and America, than that!
If you look at China, Latin America, and the Islamic world their birthrates are at an all-time high for a simple reason: refusing to let women do what they want these peoples use the State and punishment if necessary to enforce women to have children. On the contrary, most men (with a few exceptions of course) want to have a family but women have shoved them aside in the workforce which stripped their responsibilities as a father and husband and made them do criminal activity instead.
China until very recently, this year, enforced a one-child policy on couples and forced women to abort their second pregnancies. Surely you know that. And birth rates in Latin America and the Islamic world are falling, for your information.
How can you speak about celibacy, when as a race, Europe is dying, and each woman needs to have nine children each? Besides any girl who wished to be a nun these days would lose her soul in the cloistered life with older nuns telling her to rebel against the "patriarchal" Church.
Are you saying that women should be denied their vocations? And how did you arrive at the need for every woman to have nine children each to save Europe, especially now that Western medicine prevents so many children dying in infancy as happened in the past.
I accept your point about the rebellious older nuns, but surely these are confined to the Novus Ordo. Why are there so few Traditional religious communities for women. Is that because Traditionalists only consider the marriage option for their daughters?
On the contrary, any education is secondary, as the woman should first be concerned about the physical health of her body so she may have healthy children, her beauty needed to attract a man, and her sound moral character needed to maintain a marriage.
I'm not sure what this has to do with my point about Jane Austin, who's message to girls consists of - marry a rich man so that you can employ servants to do your housework for you.
But you have a very narrow view of women.
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You're blaming feminism for the collapse of Europe and then accusing me of being on a feminist tirade!
Yep that's right. :wink:
I was there, while the sixties' sɛҳuąƖ revolution was unfolding, and I can vouch for the fact that it was instigated by men. Yes men, who bullied and cajoled women into accepting so called 'sɛҳuąƖ liberation'. If you don't like that then hard luck. But it doesn't change the facts.
Congratulations. Perhaps men did instigate it but it was Jєωιѕн and Marxist men.
And stop blaming feminism for everything. There is far more to the collapse of Europe, and America, than that!
Well that's true, such as acceptance of drugs, immigration, socialism, etc.
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China until very recently, this year, enforced a one-child policy on couples and forced women to abort their second pregnancies. Surely you know that. And birth rates in Latin America and the Islamic world are falling, for your information.
I don't know where you're getting your information from but birthrates in Latin America and in the Islamic world are at an all-time high, hence why they are easily overpowering the mostly-sterile folks of European descent with immigration. Obviously China enforced the one-child abortion policy but the birthrates in China have still skyrocketed.
Are you saying that women should be denied their vocations? And how did you arrive at the need for every woman to have nine children each to save Europe, especially now that Western medicine prevents so many children dying in infancy as happened in the past.
Um Western "medicine" leads to children getting killed or prevented with contraception, abortion, sterilization, etc.
I accept your point about the rebellious older nuns, but surely these are confined to the Novus Ordo. Why are there so few Traditional religious communities for women. Is that because Traditionalists only consider the marriage option for their daughters?
I do yes.
I'm not sure what this has to do with my point about Jane Austin, who's message to girls consists of - marry a rich man so that you can employ servants to do your housework for you.
This was in response to the previous poster which set Jane Austen as the ideal woman. I support the young girl marrying a poor boy. :wink:
But you have a very narrow view of women.
You have a hate-filled view of men and see them as Playboy-reading, women-hating deviants.
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I support the young girl marrying a poor boy. :wink:
Finally something I can agree with you on.
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Keeping a good mind in ignorance is criminal. St. Bonaventure was all for education.
Let's put it this way, boys and girls, the Catholic Church disputes with words, thoughts, critical thinking skills. If you're going to deny your daughters higher education, then you're creating a weak soldier for Christ!
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Traditional Guy 20 said,
You have a hate-filled view of men and see them as Playboy-reading, women-hating deviants.
You have gone way over the line in saying this. I am constantly defending men from the attacks of feminists. I have even posted, somewhere on this forum, that I accuse women of 'sexism' when they denigrate men. But just as I cannot bear the constant mockery of men that fills the media and a lot of social scenes, I have little tolerance for the reverse, especially when it is entirely ill-informed. Your comments are a caricature, since you so obviously know little of how the sɛҳuąƖ revolution of the sixties evolved.
You also contradict yourself. China enforces, by law, a one-child policy and yet you insist that birth rates in China are still "sky-rocketing". This cannot be. It is impossible.
Here is an article on falling birth rates in South America from the Economist.
The main indicator of the [population] slowdown is a fall in fertility. Latin America is well advanced along this first demographic shift.
Brazil’s fertility rate is now 1.8 children per woman. Chile’s is the same. This is below the replacement rate of fertility (2.1, which stabilises the population in the long run). It is also lower than in the United States, where the rate is 1.9. Latin America and the Caribbean saw its fertility rate fall from almost 6.0 in 1960 to 2.2 five decades later. In the United States and Europe that fall took twice as long.
http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21578710-traditional-demographic-patterns-are-changing-astonishingly-fast-autumn-patriarchs
Birth rates are also falling right across the Muslim world, according to this:
.... 22 Muslim-majority countries and territories were estimated to have undergone fertility declines of 50 percent or more during those three decades–ten of them by 60 percent or more. For both Iran and the Maldives, the declines in total fertility rates over those 30 years were estimated to exceed 70 percent.
Out of the ten biggest declines in total fertility rates in the post-war era six have occurred in Muslim-majority countries .... In 2000, the UN projected 102 million Yemenis by the year 2050. This estimate was reduced to 62 million ten years later.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/07/05/underpopulation-muslim-world-faces-devastating-fertility-decline/
Incidentally, the death of Europe began with the death of Europe's soul during the Protestant Reformation. And there was no Feminism then.
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And stop blaming feminism for everything. There is far more to the collapse of Europe, and America, than that!
The evil of feminism is responsible for the total collapsing of the family, the home, and the whole world. They took the mother out of the home, the whole society broke down. As women go, so goes society. If there are no mothers and wives, there are only chaos and destruction. Simple as that.
If women understood the great influence they actually have on men, many more would be more determined to restore their higher dignity again as wives and mothers. Not as playthings that provide cheap and convenient sex to sɛҳuąƖly immature men or as "intellectual" male-like professionals that are trained to be a constant "competition" to the men, as modern women are ferociously indoctrinated by the liberal Jєωιѕн media.
There is no society restoration until the diabolical feminism that takes mothers out of the home (leaving children abandoned and husbands unattended) is for ever done and over with. The level of any civilization is dictated by the level of its womanhood. Women that raise sons and mold husbands to highest standards.
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While those risks Matthew mentioned are certainly possible, I don't think avoiding those risks out weigh the risk of consigning innumerable women to ignorance and poverty because of fear of the world.
Would you say the same thing about high school? Grade school? Certainly their are risks attending those too. There are few good traditional schools and not everyone can home school, sometimes public schools are the only option for a family to educate their children. It's not like 60 years ago when there was a decent Catholic school in almost every neighborhood. Thank you very much Vatican 2 :sad:
I don't say that all young women should go to college, I just don't think they should be denied it out of hand. It is a decision that would need some hard and long thought.
Marsha
Yes, the idea that they can't or shouldn't attend college, a-priori is wrong. The more educated a woman is, the better. It is not the number one priority, but I would say its really close to it. Its important to have someone who has some brains, the children need to be raised with anti-modernist principles and having this be reinforced by both parents is crucial. Most kids become atheist when they leave the home, and they accept evolution as true, mainly because they were never educated at home precisely why those errors are silly (I am talking from a philosophical and scientific point of view). If you have someone that can't be able to discern, then you are toast. Modern society is not meant for the simple, because they will be deceived to such a great degree in the Great apostasy, I really feel for these poor souls. My prayer is that the Good Lord will protect them, or take them before things gets worse.
Wisdom, is mostly passed on through experience and example, few are those who seek it without the aid of friends or someone to show you the way. Having a wife that can barely read (+Williamson seems to be of the opinion primary school is all that is necessary, which I think is definitely wrong), is not going to be the smartest choice. Who is going to aid you in teaching the children, the psalms, scripture, thomist principles etc... You want to raise future little Saint Thomas's, because that is how this crisis will be solved, by applying and raising children according to the mind of the Church, with wisdom and virtue. How many times Padre Pio would tell women that they have aborted a future priest who was going to be crucial in the saving of the Church... What is even more abominable, is how many women consider the option of abortion simply because the male is the one pushing it. How distressing it can be for someone young who will raise the child alone, and then this gets carried over to the parents naturally.
+Williamson doesn't take into account the differences in modern life and the past. This is why some of the previous arguments used, really don't apply. Modern man is a whole different creature and our sensibilities have really changed. Just take for example in the Benedictine rule, how kids could join a monastery at a much much younger age. However, this ruling was later over turned and changed by a Pope in the future. I can't give you the specific source, but just take my word for it (don't have it with me at the moment). People used to marry at a much younger age, but I would NOT recommend this for most people now. The main reason is that the levels of maturity that people had before was a huge difference with modern society. Plus the law says in the U.S. that you have to be 18, there are some exceptions to this, but I generally think that it is a good law.
Don't worry you will have plenty of years to have lots of babies, and a nice big family. Just attempt to have as good of a start as possible, since work is so difficult to find. Most important thing for a family to be stable, [b]is for the man to have a stable job/income.[/b] It really doesn't matter whether he is self-employed or working for someone so long as he is earning enough to take care of the necessities of life + a bit more for enjoyment. The whole family structure goes down the toilet, once you have mom having to look for employment outside of the home.
Also the previous advice I gave, would also help house wives who want to have that back up plan just in case anything happens to your husband or if God forbid, he leaves you. Unfortunately, in the minds of many young ladies there is always that little worm of doubt, of what happens if he leaves me etc... It is deplorable and in part I can't really blame many women for wanting to pursue a career, honestly most guys out there are a bunch of idiots who can't even provide for the basics (without the Daddy state), that have no concept of manliness or sense of duty.
The modern welfare state has been fed and keeps increasing, precisely because of single mothers. I don't want to go too deep into the whole economic aspect, but pretty much the real daddy/provider of most kids out there is the modern atheist state. They are the ones who educate the children, feed the child, give a home to the child (welfare, public schooling, food stamps and housing). How many cower away from their God given duty to provide, it just sickens my stomach to think about it. I have seen it in my nuclear family, and extended family. I just have two sisters (4 brothers), but ohh dear is it harder to have sisters! God Bless the father's who have nothing but daughters. My heart goes out to you, if you manage it okay you are certainly destined to go to heaven! ^_^
By the way Happy Feast of Christ the King. Amen.
May His reign extend to all faithful believers, and lead to our conversions to total submission of His will. Amen! Que viva Cristo Rey! Viva!
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Cantarella said,
There is no society restoration until the diabolical feminism that takes mothers out of the home (leaving children abandoned and husbands unattended) is for ever done and over with. The level of any civilization is dictated by the level of its womanhood. Women that raise sons and mold husbands to highest standards.
There was no feminism at the time of the Protestant Reformation, and yet the true Church of Christ was still driven out of most of northern Europe. All those stay at home mothers raising large families couldn't prevent that from happening.
Likewise, there was no feminism during the time of Christ. And yet again, no amount of faithful wives caring for their husbands and many children could prevent Christ from being nailed to the Cross.
I think you are seriously overestimating the influence that you have, not on your own families, of course, because I am sure your influence is truly beneficial, but on wider society at large. If you are looking for the source of the current, unprecedented revolt against God and His Church, then look into the darkness of the human heart. That's where you'll find it. Feminism, I agree, is a hugely destructive force. But it is a symptom of evil, not the cause of it. And that evil will not be stemmed by calls for a return to traditional families. Such calls will undoubtedly help those individuals who are fortunate enough to be raised in traditional families. But that, sadly, is the extent of it.
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Degree/University - "topping-off" ceremony
Etymology
mortar-board, "academic cap," 1854, probably from mortar (1) + board (n.1); so called because it resembles a mason's square board.
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You have gone way over the line in saying this. I am constantly defending men from the attacks of feminists. I have even posted, somewhere on this forum, that I accuse women of 'sexism' when they denigrate men. But just as I cannot bear the constant mockery of men that fills the media and a lot of social scenes, I have little tolerance for the reverse, especially when it is entirely ill-informed. Your comments are a caricature, since you so obviously know little of how the sɛҳuąƖ revolution of the sixties evolved.
I know how the sixties started. It started with the Jєωιѕн and Marxist Frankfurt School, which created cultural Marxism of course, down to Herbert Marcuse during the 1960's who was the inspirational leader of the counter-culture, and Jєωιѕн women like Betty Freiden and Gloria Steinem.
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You have gone way over the line in saying this. I am constantly defending men from the attacks of feminists. I have even posted, somewhere on this forum, that I accuse women of 'sexism' when they denigrate men. But just as I cannot bear the constant mockery of men that fills the media and a lot of social scenes, I have little tolerance for the reverse, especially when it is entirely ill-informed. Your comments are a caricature, since you so obviously know little of how the sɛҳuąƖ revolution of the sixties evolved.
I know how the sixties started. It started with the Jєωιѕн and Marxist Frankfurt School, which created cultural Marxism of course, down to Herbert Marcuse during the 1960's who was the inspirational leader of the counter-culture, and Jєωιѕн women like Betty Freiden and Gloria Steinem.
That's right. That's how it started.
And millions of men just lapped it up, welcoming the sɛҳuąƖ revolution with open arms, to the horror of countless numbers of women, as I well remember.
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That's right. That's how it started.
And millions of men just lapped it up, welcoming the sɛҳuąƖ revolution with open arms, to the horror of countless numbers of women, as I well remember.
I believe you are speaking of the liberal spoiled brats during that era, caused by the so-called 'Greatest Generation' parenting of saying, "My kids not going to have it as rough as I did." You're really naive if you think men started to have sex with women during this time period when the 1950's was hardly a Victorian Era on sɛҳuąƖ morality, the only difference being men kept such things in the closet while during the 1960's they paraded it as a mark of pride. Quite a few Presidents like Wilson, FDR, JFK, Eisenhower, LBJ, Harding, etc. had affairs up to this time period. The difference with the 1960's was this was when women really started to get the idea that they could have their little one-night stands just like men did. Oh yes and as I mentioned it was the first time hardcore drugs were used in a massive number. Actually their behavior along with riots reminds me of the Jacobins of the French Revolution.