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« on: October 20, 2014, 12:11:33 AM »
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    Many thanks to JayneK for placing us on the right path to find such pearls of wisdom from His Excellency, Bishop Williamson

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    GIRLS AT UNIVERSITY

    Girls at University
    Emancipation’s Mess of Pottage (Gen. XXV, 29-34)

    Winona, September 1, 2001

    Dear Friends and Benefactors:

    Canadians strike me as a gentle people; but "strike" is the word! Ten yeas ago I was innocently asked in Canada whether women should wear trousers. Some ten weeks ago, also in Canada, I was asked whether a girl should go to a conservative Novus Ordo university. The answer now to the second question may be as stormy as the answer to the first:- because of all kinds of natural reasons, almost no girl should go to any university!

    The deep-down reason is the same as for the wrongness of women's trousers: the unwomaning of woman. The deep-down cause in both cases is that Revolutionary man has betrayed modem woman; since she is not respected and loved for being a woman, she tries to make herself a man. Since modem man does not want her to do what God meant her to do, namely to have children, she takes her revenge by invading all kinds of things that man is meant to do. What else was to be expected? Modem man has only himself to blame.

    In fact, only in modern times have women dreamt of going to university, but the idea has now become so normal that even Catholics, whose Faith guards Nature, may have difficulty in seeing the problem. However, here is a pointer in the direction of normalcy: any Catholic with the least respect for Tradition recognizes that women should not be priests - can he deny that if few women went to university, almost none would wish to be priests? Alas, women going to university is part of the whole massive onslaught on God's Nature which characterizes our times. That girls should not be in universities flows from the nature of universities and from the nature of girls: true universities are for ideas, ideas are not for true girls, so true universities are not for true girls.



    NATURE OF UNIVERSITIES

    Let us begin with the true university. As defined by Cardinal Newman in his famous "Idea of a University", it is "a place of teaching universal knowledge". Universities in this sense were a creation of the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, and, as the Cardinal splendidly recalls, theology held pride of place there because, as science of the Supreme Being, it is the supreme science which alone can appoint to all other sciences their proper place. So a true university is a place for all-round learning of reality beneath the queenship of Catholic theology. The value of sciences and this need of theirs for theology is why the Catholic Church is always tending to create universities, and why she alone can create true universities, directing all study ultimately to the glory of God and the salvation of souls.

    From which, one must question what kind of queenship can be exercised by Novus Ordo theologians, even conservative. Normally, "conservative" Catholics who have left Tradition are in bad faith, so will be bad teachers, while those who have never known Tradition will be ignorant, and so bad teachers. Both will make a point of "rescuing" a damsel in"schismatic" or "excommunicated" distress. Therefore a Traditional girl putting herself under "conservative" teachers will, to keep her Faith, require a special effort to resist the menfolk whom God designed (and her parents paid) her to follow. She will then be voluntarily so setting her true Catholic Faith against her true feminine nature that one or the other is almost bound to suffer.

    It also follows from the queenship of Theology that a democratic age like ours, rejecting God and dethroning Theology, will make a nonsense of universities. Sure enough. All around us we see "universities" which are much worse than brothels, because not only does democratic "equality" indiscriminately herd there together all kinds of boys and girls with little or no interest in ideas so that they should not be studying in the first place, but also, by silencing Theology and rendering Philosophy ridiculous, these "universities" corrupt the highest part of the youngsters' nature, their minds, leaving their lower nature with little or no means of resisting the aided and abetted promiscuity of the two young sexes. Survey the waste on any "university" campus today - feckless unmen and trashy unwomen whose noblest activity is throwing frisbees at one another!

    Such "universities" dedicated to the defiance of God and Nature, make mincemeat of the youngsters' Faith (if they had any), of their morals and of their common sense. Poor parents. But they have mocked God, and God is not mocked. Obviously no boy, let alone any girl, should be sent to such a "university". What needs to be proved is that even to a decent university, if such could be found, few or no girls should be sent. This is because of the God-given nature of girls. Which, despite today's massive propaganda to the contrary, is quite different from the God-given nature of boys!



    NATURE OF GIRLS

    For a sane grasp of woman's nature, let me appeal to the Church's Common Doctor, St. Thomas Aquinas, distant now by three-quarters of a millennium from our own disturbed times. The three reasons he gives in his Summa Theologiae (2a, 2ae, 177,2) why woman should not teach in Church in public can all be applied to why she should not teach or learn in a public university. Firstly, he says, teaching is for superiors, and women are- not to be superior, but subject, to their men (Gen III,16). Secondly, women stepping up to teach in public can easily inflame men's lust (Ecclus IX,11). Thirdly, "Women are not usually ("communiter") perfect in wisdom".

    To grasp these three reasons, let us back up another five millennia, to Adam and Eve. Since the word "nature" comes from the Latin word for "being born", then to study a thing's nature one goes back to its birth. Eve was created by God to be a "help" to Adam (Gen. 11,18). She was to help him, says St Thomas Aquinas elsewhere (1a,92,1), not for any other work than that of generation (or reproduction), because for any other work man could be more suitably helped by another man. It follows that woman's nature is intrinsically geared to motherhood, so that in all things pertaining to motherhood she is man's superior, in all else she is his inferior, and in none of all the things in which the two sexes are complementary are they equal.

    Now to attract a man so as to marry and become a mother, to nurture and rear children and to retain their father, she needs superior gifts of feeling and instinct, e.g. sensitivity, delicacy, tact, perspicacity, tenderness, etc. by which her mind will correspondingly be swayed, which is why no husband can understand how the mind of his wife works! For to do the work of generation, i.e. to ensure nothing less than the survival and continuation of mankind, God designed her mind to run on a complementary and different basis from her man's. His mind is designed not to be swayed by feelings but on the contrary to control them, so that while his feelings may be inferior to hers, his reason is superior. And reason being meant to rule in rational beings, then he is natured to rule over her (Gen. III, 16), as can be seen for example whenever she needs to resort to him for her feelings not to get out of control.

    Correspondingly, while she senses family (and loves to talk about it), he responds to the world around and wants to master it (Gen II,15,19,20). While she is people-oriented, he is reality-oriented. (How often will a woman pull an idea or a question of reality back to family! - "You're against drink? You're attacking my husband!" This is in woman's nature. One does not mock her for it.) So while she is queen of feeling within the home, he must be king of reason over the home. So while he must love her and listen to her, at the end of the day she must obey him, because he is natured to take the broader view and to be the more reasonable (Eph V 22,25: Col III, 18,19).



    FIRST REASON

    Now what does a university call for? Whereas in modem "universities" the males all believe in "if it feels good, do it," which is why they are, as they wish, overrun by feeling females, on the contrary in a true university one thinks about universal reality, which is the prerogative of men. A woman can think in this way, or do a good imitation of handling ideas, but then she will not be properly thinking as woman. The dilemma is inescapable: she cannot do what is properly men's thinking or work without cutting across her deepest nature. Did this lawyeress check her hair-do just before coming into court? If she did, she is one distracted lawyer. If she did not, she is one distorted woman.

    Moreover, true university thinking tends to produce leaders because true students have pondered on more or less universal reality. Cardinal Newman may argue that the cultivated mind is an end in itself, but if Mother Church has always raised universities, is it not because an elite of all-round minds will in any society powerfully help many souls to get to Heaven, if those minds' studying has been governed over all by the true Faith? But women are neither meant, nor normally gifted, to be leaders! Therefore girls should not be at university. As for a Queen Isabella the Catholic, Spain was her family and she never went to university! Nor did Theresa of Avila, Catherine of Sienna or Joan of Arc.

    Concretely, if a girl devotes several years of her youth and much money of her parents to acquiring a university education, especially a decent one, how easily will she submit to her husband, especially if he has not had that education? And how may she not argue with him if he has had it? And if she has a "degree", how will she not think herself above the multiple humiliations of being "barefoot and pregnant"? And if she is a "graduate", how will she not hold-herself superior to being-a “vegetable at the-kitchen-sink"? And if making a family makes her forget in the right kind of way all about "graduating", "degrees" and "university", why go there in the first place? The dilemma is inescapable: in doing manly things like going to a university, either she is merely going through the motions or she is damaging her potential for motherhood - conclusion: she should not go there.



    SECOND REASON

    We come to St Thomas' second reason: the inflaming of lust. Enough said about today's unibrothels. What will happen if heaps of boys and girls are thrown together with mention of God even forbidden is massive common sense, but that is not the whole story!

    Just suppose that a decent girl can find a decent university which is cultivating on a broad front minds of an elite of boys who will provide tomorrows world with its leaders. If she is smart enough to study, will she not be smart enough to know that even if she does not wish to distract the boys, she will still be a distraction? To this reason there is no exception. So if she is that decent, will she not prefer to hang back from distracting the future leaders that she and all her society tomorrow will need? Then the more decent the university, will she not the more keep away? What woman can be imagined taking part in Plato's Dialogues? Not even the Blessed Virgin Mary took part in the Last Supper. Girls at university are a double source of confusion, both doing what girls were not created to do, and distracting the boys from doing what the boys were created to do.

    At any true university, the worthwhile students do not want to be distracted by girls. Those are exactly the potential husbands that the really intelligent girls will go after. That is why even really intelligent girls should not be at university.



    THIRD REASON

    For indeed - St. Thomas's third reason - "women are not usually perfect in wisdom". This is because woman's family-wisdom is priceless, it comes straight from God, but it is as wisdom, because it orders only a part of reality.

    Woman's thinking is subjective, inward, intuitive, concrete, small-scale, with a gift for loving details. University thinking needs to be objective, outward, rational, abstract, large-scale, with a drive towards the grand principles. Her thinking follows her heart. University thinking can only follow the head. While a university professor is teaching, the boy will be listening to and learning from the words but the girl will naturally be listening to the man and learning by osmosis. Only by an effort will she listen to the words, because her heart is elsewhere - usually on the boys. Naturally docile and possibly possessed of more than sufficient brains, she can always do a good imitation of a good student, especially if she wishes to please a particular male professor. Nor, again, should she be mocked for that, insofar as God designed her to please and to attract - a husband. Rarely, however, will the impressive studentess be a really good student, because the Lord God simply designed her heart and mind for a quite other task. Girls, do you really want to spend so much of your time and of your parents' money on doing something God almost for sure did not mean you to be doing?



    OBJECTIONS

    But Pius XII encouraged you to make the best of being forced out into the world? - Maybe he was making the best of an already bad situation in the 1940's and 1950's, when he hoped women would bring to bear their femininity on the public domain. However, by the definitions of "feminine" and "public", that is a contradiction in terms. Fifty years later, who can deny that the public domain has de-feminized, woman? As a friend said, "Women used to have careers open to them only in nursing and teaching, which they did well. Now they no longer know how to do either!"

    It is high time for Catholics to buck the current and to buck the world! Europe, center of Christendom, is collapsing, because European girls are all being taught to go to "university" and to "put off' having babies! Woman and family are in desperate crisis - do we want to follow the swine over the cliff?

    But men today are unfit to lead, so you have to go to university to take their place? – You cannot take their place!!!! (The exception proves the rule). Today you are merely following them into "universities", tomorrow you will be following them out. By hook or by crook, do something motherly, play your part as God meant you to do, and God can give you back from above the manly leaders and the husband that you pray for and need, but that you cannot by the nature of things wrest to yourselves from below. You cannot restore God's order by breaking it. Get behind your men! Behind, you have an enormous power to inspire and guide. In front, you will merely make them more irresponsible than ever...

    But what about the Dominicans' school for girls in Idaho? - As much as St Thomas Aquinas disapproves women teaching in public, he approves their teaching in private, in other words at home, "or in a home-like setting". A university cannot resemble a home, but wise Mothers can keep a girls' secondary school like a home. See the enclosed flyer for an encouragement to support the same Dominican Mothers' primary and secondary schooling in France.

    But where will girls' secondary schools find women teachers if no girls go to university? -One needs no university to learn most of what secondary schoolgirls need to be taught, for instance "domestic economy, setting up home, running a house, the care and education of children, the spiritual and social preparation for marriage" - Pius XII's timeless list, to the Union of Catholic Women, June 24, 1949. Of course if the law of the land, as now in France, demands "university" "diplomas" for women to teach or to open girls' schools, then some women's "university" attendance becomes, for the duration of that law, an exceptional necessity. However, exceptions make bad rules!

    But what about the co-educational college of the Society of St Pius X at St. Mary's in Kansas? - It is still a family-scale operation, typical of the true Church's drive to teach the true Faith in as much depth as possible amidst difficult circuмstances, but according as it may expand and rise in the future to a truly university level of teaching, I for one piously hope that the boys will by then be giving such a lead and example, creating such a new world, that the girls will no longer feel any need to attend.

    But what are girls in the meantime to do, who have a brain and are not ready to get married? - Let them use their brain: firstly, to grasp how God designed them, and for what role; secondly, to pray God He grant us all some men; thirdly, to read at home on their own (for instance Jane Austen, a classic example of how much domestic woman can do); fourthly, to devise with their parents a feminine place and function where they can mature towards marriage. Or - for Heaven's sakes - let them think of a vocation! Old saying: "A woman is once a woman, a nun is twice a woman"!



    CONCLUSION

    For all these reasons, domestic girls are not by nature for public universities. Where did modern man go wrong?

    As man puts himself in the place of God, so this life on earth blocks out of view any after-life in God's Heaven or Hell. Man's pride unchains his inclination to pleasure here below. Self comes first But children - however unconsciously -demand and reward selflessness in their parents. Therefore the children, and the demand, and the reward, most go. But woman's life is natured to center around children. Therefore woman's life in particular becomes empty, as does her home, especially if working conditions take her husband also away. She will inevitably follow him into his domains, eg. university, where she is liable to impose female patterns that do not belong, but that are frustrated at home. She will not let her being remain meaningless!

    As this letter has often argued, such a breaking of family, home and woman is too deep a violation of Nature for the modem way of life to be able to survive. With men in the lead, Catholics, whose Faith should give them a handle on Nature, will be wise, according to circuмstances, to take remedial action now. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.

    Men, think! Give substance to the home! Girls, I bless you, your parents and all dear readers.

    Sincerely yours in Christ,


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    « Reply #1 on: October 20, 2014, 04:29:00 PM »
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  • And what is she to do if she has no vocation, and no man to marry?  Her parents will die eventually and leave her homeless.  I understand the dangers of modern colleges but consigning a woman to a minimum wage job, which is all she can hold w/o an education, will only ensure her living in poverty and that is no solution.  At some point our young women must learn to live in the world but not of the world.  Not an easy task in this day and age.

    Until some wealthy traditional Catholic endows a vocational school for women what should they do?

    Marsha


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    And what is she to do if she has no vocation, and no man to marry?  Her parents will die eventually and leave her homeless.  I understand the dangers of modern colleges but consigning a woman to a minimum wage job, which is all she can hold w/o an education, will only ensure her living in poverty and that is no solution.  At some point our young women must learn to live in the world but not of the world.  Not an easy task in this day and age.

    Until some wealthy traditional Catholic endows a vocational school for women what should they do?

    Marsha


    The aim of totalitarian education has never been to instill convictions but to destroy the capacity to form any.
    -Hannah Arendt

    Let's not follow the propaganda we've been taught, seeking out exceptions and befuddling our mind with grey area until we have no convictions left.

    Women are supposed to be feminine, not compete with men for manly jobs, and be the person who takes care of the home as its "heart".

    Of course if a woman can't get married (or can't find a suitable spouse), she must then use her head and still choose a job path that won't destroy her femininity. There are plenty of them.

    Too many women today use "what if I end up a single old maid" as an excuse to be just like any worldly woman, to wit: going to college right after High School, taking on as much student loan debt as a man, pursuing a career with MORE fervor than her male counterparts, and getting a more established career than her male counterparts. Oh, and often she is so focused on pleasing the authorities (getting that career/education) that she IGNORES or despises the many opportunities (Mr. ___ and Mr. ____) that God sends her to get married.

    That is obviously wrong.

    And while it's admirable to have a "backup plan", it's also true that most women today (under 30) are doing better career-wise than their male counterparts. So there will be a temptation for HER to do the money-earning, for HIM to stay home with the children. Can we say total inversion of the natural order?

    At least if she doesn't have a job, her humbly-employed husband (or potential husband) won't be intimidated away from marrying her. AND he'll be forced/nudged to advance HIS career and go out and earn a living, rather than succuмbing to temptation of "necessity" to have her work (with or without himself working) to support the family.

    It's easy to keep your wife home when she barely earns enough to pay for the 2nd car, work clothes, takeout food, etc. that her working necessitates. But when she's earning good money, it's very tempting.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 20, 2014, 06:37:36 PM »
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    And what is she to do if she has no vocation, and no man to marry?  Her parents will die eventually and leave her homeless.  I understand the dangers of modern colleges but consigning a woman to a minimum wage job, which is all she can hold w/o an education, will only ensure her living in poverty and that is no solution.  At some point our young women must learn to live in the world but not of the world.  Not an easy task in this day and age.

    Until some wealthy traditional Catholic endows a vocational school for women what should they do?

    Marsha


    Even men are wasting time in universities nowadays. Things have changed big time. Better to have the entrepreneurial spririt. Women are better off having home businesses. Colleges and universities have been infiltrated by communist, progressive,  and leftist ideas, not to mention the total moral decadence and spiritual chaos one witness in the vast majority of institutions.

    There are other options out there that better suit Catholics.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 20, 2014, 06:38:30 PM »
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  • While those risks Matthew mentioned are certainly possible, I don't think avoiding those risks out weigh the risk of consigning innumerable women to ignorance and poverty because of fear of the world.  

    Would you say the same thing about high school?  Grade school?  Certainly their are risks attending those too.  There are few good traditional schools and not everyone can home school, sometimes public schools are the only option for a family to educate their children.  It's not like 60 years ago when there was a decent Catholic school in almost every neighborhood.  Thank you very much Vatican 2 :sad:

    I don't say that all young women should go to college, I just don't think they should be denied it out of hand.  It is a decision that would need some hard and long thought.

    Marsha


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    Women are better off having home businesses.


    That might be one solution, what kind of businesses are you thinking of?


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    Of course if a woman can't get married (or can't find a suitable spouse), she must then use her head and still choose a job path that won't destroy her femininity. There are plenty of them.


    Which ones do you have in mind Matthew?

    I think this brain-storming could be very valuable, helping parents out there think of new way to encourage their children to earn their living.  All too often we only think "in the box" and about working for some corporation.

    Marsha

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    Would you say the same thing about high school?  Grade school?  Certainly their are risks attending those too.  There are few good traditional schools and not everyone can home school, sometimes public schools are the only option for a family to educate their children.

    Yes, I would say the same thing about public high school or public grade school. They are run by evil people whose goal is to corrupt the youth and send them on the road to hell. Why do you think they teach children to be promiscuous and shuttle young girls to the abortion mills when they get pregnant without even telling the parents. When the Church was stronger she used to warn people that it would be a mortal sin to send your children to godless public schools. I remember reading that, but I do not remember where, so sorry I cannot give you a source.
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  • My youngest daughter is 17 and, not surprisingly, still unmarried. (The older girls are married.)  We are thinking about her future education now as she finishes high school.  I am making a point to encourage her to develop homemaking skills because this was neglected in my own youth.

    As far as providing her with a marketable skill, we are looking at something music related.  She has been playing piano since she was small and is rather good now.  I know that a lot of music teachers work from home and it seems like a job with a lot of flexibility to work around one's own family.



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    Many thanks to JayneK for placing us on the right path to find such pearls of wisdom from His Excellency, Bishop Williamson

    The link to the article can be found here:
    GIRLS AT UNIVERSITY


    You are welcome.  I am pleased that you found it helpful.  I have reread this many times over the years and was glad to share it.

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    Women are better off having home businesses.


    That might be one solution, what kind of businesses are you thinking of?


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    Of course if a woman can't get married (or can't find a suitable spouse), she must then use her head and still choose a job path that won't destroy her femininity. There are plenty of them.


    Which ones do you have in mind Matthew?

    I think this brain-storming could be very valuable, helping parents out there think of new way to encourage their children to earn their living.  All too often we only think "in the box" and about working for some corporation.

    Marsha


    There are jobs that make good use of, and encourage, talents and tendencies that women GENERALLY have (or should have!) in abundance: things practical (rather than abstract), making use of her intuition/emotions (think: childcare), and domestic (rather than "out there in the rat race"). By domestic, I mean something where a woman can basically treat it like she would treat a family.

    So, to apply it a bit...

    Good: Teacher, nurse, secretary, author, cook, accountant, bookkeeper, florist, anything artsy/creative, etc.

    Bad: Police officer, fireman, construction worker, soldier, athlete, manager (anything that involves leading men), etc.

    A woman can be an accountant for many years and make a fine wife. Women naturally like to concern themselves about the good of the household (how much food/money is in the larder, etc.)

    However, an ex-police officer is not going to be very docile to her husband. And so forth.

    The "good" jobs I listed are not "McDonald's jobs" nor are they minimum wage. If she needs/wants to make a killing (that's between her and God) there are ways to do so without totally destroying one's femininity.

    Also notice that the "good" jobs I listed do NOT require a women to use her body (or her looks) to make a living. There are many jobs that managers prefer to fill with women so as to take advantage of human nature -- even if a man isn't ready to have an affair, he might at least say "yes" to that young lady when she asks if he wants the service plan, you know, to make him feel like a big sugar daddy for a few minutes...

    P.S. When looking at career paths for your daughters, you need to consider the girl's natural talents/inclinations, personality and temperament. My wife, for example, is very rational,  good at Math, and not artsy at all. So she naturally gravitated towards accounting (which, incidentally, is "in her blood" as several of her aunts, as well as her mother, are in that line of work). She has a very German attention to detail.
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  • I remember a conference by Bishop Williamson wherein he lamented how banks hire young beautiful women and here they use their natural beauty and charm that God intended to attract a husband for something as misplaced as bank customer service.

    A woman should use her youth and natural charm to attract a man she's interested in, rather than using her charms on every bank customer, willy-nilly.

    Just one of the many philosophical observations the good Bishop made over the years...
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    « Reply #11 on: October 20, 2014, 08:17:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jaynek
    My youngest daughter is 17 and, not surprisingly, still unmarried. (The older girls are married.)  We are thinking about her future education now as she finishes high school.  I am making a point to encourage her to develop homemaking skills because this was neglected in my own youth.

    As far as providing her with a marketable skill, we are looking at something music related.  She has been playing piano since she was small and is rather good now.  I know that a lot of music teachers work from home and it seems like a job with a lot of flexibility to work around one's own family.



    Encourage her in composition, production maybe even putting down her style of teaching on to a digital format that she can market and distribute.  Now more than ever, a girl has more options while waiting for God to send her a spouse.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 21, 2014, 01:44:52 AM »
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    Yes, I would say the same thing about public high school or public grade school. They are run by evil people whose goal is to corrupt the youth and send them on the road to hell. Why do you think they teach children to be promiscuous and shuttle young girls to the abortion mills when they get pregnant without even telling the parents. When the Church was stronger she used to warn people that it would be a mortal sin to send your children to godless public schools. I remember reading that, but I do not remember where, so sorry I cannot give you a source.


    Our priest said that at one time the Church excommunicated parents who sent their kids to public schools, but I assume that was in the day when there was a decent Catholic school practically in every neighborhood, sadly that is no longer true.

    So what do you suggest?

    Marsha

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    « Reply #13 on: October 21, 2014, 01:48:12 AM »
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    Yes, I would say the same thing about public high school or public grade school. They are run by evil people whose goal is to corrupt the youth and send them on the road to hell. Why do you think they teach children to be promiscuous and shuttle young girls to the abortion mills when they get pregnant without even telling the parents. When the Church was stronger she used to warn people that it would be a mortal sin to send your children to godless public schools. I remember reading that, but I do not remember where, so sorry I cannot give you a source.


    Our priest said that at one time the Church excommunicated parents who sent their kids to public schools, but I assume that was in the day when there was a decent Catholic school practically in every neighborhood, sadly that is no longer true.

    So what do you suggest?

    Marsha


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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 21, 2014, 02:08:39 AM »
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    Good: Teacher, nurse, secretary, author, cook, accountant, bookkeeper, florist, anything artsy/creative, etc.

    Bad: Police officer, fireman, construction worker, soldier, athlete, manager (anything that involves leading men), etc.


    - Teachers need a college degree
    - Nurses need a college degree (RN is no longer sufficient)
    - Secretaries need vocational training
    - Authors need training to learn to write well, vocational/college needed as few come by  this naturally.
    - Cooks (chef) need vocational training
    - Accountants need a college degree
    - Bookkeepers need vocational training
    - Florists need OJT + floral design classes

    Except for the florist all of these need vocational school and/or college degrees.

    So even "good" jobs would require a woman to get at least some degree of "higher" education.  This is why I think a blanket statement that women "should not go to college" is shortsighted.  

    I completely agree with your list of "bad" employments for women. I absolutely believe there are many jobs that women should not do.

    Marsha