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George Floyd dead at 46
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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2020, 08:18:56 PM »
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  • It absolutely was murder. I watched the clip. Floyd wasn't resisting and was clearly saying "I can't breath" while bystanders were also yelling at the officer that he was killing the guy. But despite the fact that Floyd was already handcuffed, wasn't resisting, and also had a knee on his back - the officer didn't let up. Holding your knee on someone's neck is careless and contrary to training at best, but when that person is also restrained in other ways and is literally telling you they can't breath, then it turns murder or voluntary manslaughter at the very least.

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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #3 on: May 28, 2020, 08:49:47 PM »
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  • If the man were perceived as a danger, they could have always hog-tied him with plastic restraints --- the wrists and the ankles tied together and joined behind his back crossways.  Use strong enough ties, and it would take an awfully robust person to snap them in two.  Immobilizing the suspect could be done.  But they didn't have to kill him.

    There isn't another country on the face of the earth, where if a vast percentage of the crime in that country were committed by one certain easily identifiable demographic, the courts and law enforcement would go as gently on that demographic, as we do.  Not supposed to profile, not supposed to give it a second thought if a person of that demographic is acting suspicious, or running away from the scene of a crime.  Black people themselves --- the vast majority of whom are law-abiding, responsible, solid citizens --- will admit, if pressed, that they fear young black males on a dark street, or in a dodgy section of town.

    But they shouldn't have killed the man, and they shouldn't have treated him any more roughly than they would have treated any other suspect.

    Just the other day, a local political candidate called me asking for my vote, young black man, attorney, respectable member of the community.  I asked him if he supported a woman's right to choose.  (Note that I phrased it in such a way that he would just assume I was pro-choice myself, even though I said nothing of the sort.)  He said yes, Roe v Wade is the law of the land, during the first trimester, he supported abortion choice.  I thanked him and told him he said exactly what I needed to know.

    I hope nobody ever thinks his life isn't worth defending. All lives matter.

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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #4 on: May 28, 2020, 09:12:10 PM »
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  • It absolutely was murder. I watched the clip. Floyd wasn't resisting and was clearly saying "I can't breath" while bystanders were also yelling at the officer that he was killing the guy. But despite the fact that Floyd was already handcuffed, wasn't resisting, and also had a knee on his back - the officer didn't let up. Holding your knee on someone's neck is careless and contrary to training at best, but when that person is also restrained in other ways and is literally telling you they can't breath, then it turns murder or voluntary manslaughter at the very least.
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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #5 on: May 28, 2020, 09:28:22 PM »
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  • If the man were perceived as a danger, they could have always hog-tied him with plastic restraints --- the wrists and the ankles tied together and joined behind his back crossways.  Use strong enough ties, and it would take an awfully robust person to snap them in two.  Immobilizing the suspect could be done.  But they didn't have to kill him.

    There isn't another country on the face of the earth, where if a vast percentage of the crime in that country were committed by one certain easily identifiable demographic, the courts and law enforcement would go as gently on that demographic, as we do.  Not supposed to profile, not supposed to give it a second thought if a person of that demographic is acting suspicious, or running away from the scene of a crime.  Black people themselves --- the vast majority of whom are law-abiding, responsible, solid citizens --- will admit, if pressed, that they fear young black males on a dark street, or in a dodgy section of town.

    But they shouldn't have killed the man, and they shouldn't have treated him any more roughly than they would have treated any other suspect.

    Just the other day, a local political candidate called me asking for my vote, young black man, attorney, respectable member of the community.  I asked him if he supported a woman's right to choose.  (Note that I phrased it in such a way that he would just assume I was pro-choice myself, even though I said nothing of the sort.)  He said yes, Roe v Wade is the law of the land, during the first trimester, he supported abortion choice.  I thanked him and told him he said exactly what I needed to know.

    I hope nobody ever thinks his life isn't worth defending. All lives matter.

    The Democratic Party has been destroying the black people for ages. Who started the Ku Klux Klan? The Democratic Party. Who has pushed an agenda that has killed and enslaved black people for centuries? The Democratic Party. Who made black people poor in the inner cities? The Democratic Party. Who made the black people vote democrat and mislead them into falsehoods that pushed black people down to their color or label stomping Christ's message? The Democratic Party.

    I'd recommend reading this also:

    https://www.conservapedia.com/Ku_Klux_Klan

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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #6 on: May 29, 2020, 04:49:52 PM »
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  • I have followed this pretty closely, and discussed it with a few people in the comments section of Foxnews. I will number some things I consider significant about this:
    1)  There is 7 minutes of time between his handcuffing and when he was on the ground when there was NO VIDEO for those minutes. The officers say the man was resisting getting into the car. We don't know how violent the resistance was, but his being on the ground in the other video is a result. The amount of force police use at their discretion is based on factors such as the level of violence and how big the man is.
    2)  I know of no witnesses saying the man was not resisting arrest.
    3)  No experienced officer in his right mind would do blatantly wrong things in broad daylight on a busy street.
    4)  There is no particular method to subdue the unruly. It's up to the officer to decide according to the situation, and in context of everything surrounding him.
    5)  I have read that police know a method of subduing a standing man by an arm hold around the neck, where the bent of the arm is in front of the neck and the upper arm and forearm on each side. Squeezing can depress a major vein and make the suspect black out very quickly.
    6)  The officers knee was on the BACK of the neck and somewhat towards the side. We don't know the pressure. But had it been pressing on the vein, the man would have blacked out quickly. He didn't, so that means the vein was not being pressed.
    7)  The officers knee was not in a position to interfere with the windpipe, so he could not be strangled. The fact that the man was capable of speaking loudly and repeatedly shows he was not suffocating.
    8)  Arrested suspects are often known to lie and try to make the police feel guilty for how they are being treated, often as a diversion to be able to run or grab a weapon.
    9)  No experienced officer would deliberately strangle another man in broad daylight especially when the act is not quick but takes minutes. It's obvious the officer did not think the suspect would be caused serious harm.
    10)  Come to know, the suspect had other health problems, such as hypertension, which can easily result in a heart attack.
    11)  Suspects have been known to die by an officer's use of a taser. In those cases the officers don't mean to cause any serious harm either, but it happens.

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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #7 on: May 29, 2020, 07:42:56 PM »
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  • If George Floyd was a white guy we would have never heard about him.
    The cops kill more whites because they know they can get away with it.
    Cops avoid confrontations with black suspects because it would be plastered
    all over the national and international media and the cop may loose his job
    and disgraced.
    Their is one tribe that runs the media and they are using racial tensions to
    destroy the country. This tribe has their 4:AM talking points and make sure
    that everyone is of one mind.


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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #8 on: May 29, 2020, 08:28:24 PM »
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  • If George Floyd was a white guy we would have never heard about him.
    The cops kill more whites because they know they can get away with it.
    Cops avoid confrontations with black suspects because it would be plastered
    all over the national and international media and the cop may loose his job
    and disgraced.
    Their is one tribe that runs the media and they are using racial tensions to
    destroy the country. This tribe has their 4:AM talking points and make sure
    that everyone is of one mind.
    You are right. If this man was white, the media wouldn't of touched it. 
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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #9 on: May 29, 2020, 08:30:09 PM »
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  • I have followed this pretty closely, and discussed it with a few people in the comments section of Foxnews. I will number some things I consider significant about this:
    1)  There is 7 minutes of time between his handcuffing and when he was on the ground when there was NO VIDEO for those minutes. The officers say the man was resisting getting into the car. We don't know how violent the resistance was, but his being on the ground in the other video is a result. The amount of force police use at their discretion is based on factors such as the level of violence and how big the man is.
    2)  I know of no witnesses saying the man was not resisting arrest.
    3)  No experienced officer in his right mind would do blatantly wrong things in broad daylight on a busy street.
    4)  There is no particular method to subdue the unruly. It's up to the officer to decide according to the situation, and in context of everything surrounding him.
    5)  I have read that police know a method of subduing a standing man by an arm hold around the neck, where the bent of the arm is in front of the neck and the upper arm and forearm on each side. Squeezing can depress a major vein and make the suspect black out very quickly.
    6)  The officers knee was on the BACK of the neck and somewhat towards the side. We don't know the pressure. But had it been pressing on the vein, the man would have blacked out quickly. He didn't, so that means the vein was not being pressed.
    7)  The officers knee was not in a position to interfere with the windpipe, so he could not be strangled. The fact that the man was capable of speaking loudly and repeatedly shows he was not suffocating.
    8)  Arrested suspects are often known to lie and try to make the police feel guilty for how they are being treated, often as a diversion to be able to run or grab a weapon.
    9)  No experienced officer would deliberately strangle another man in broad daylight especially when the act is not quick but takes minutes. It's obvious the officer did not think the suspect would be caused serious harm.
    10)  Come to know, the suspect had other health problems, such as hypertension, which can easily result in a heart attack.
    11)  Suspects have been known to die by an officer's use of a taser. In those cases the officers don't mean to cause any serious harm either, but it happens.
    You do have a point. This needs to be investigated more. The media is making this a race issue which is stupid and immoral to begin with.
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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #10 on: May 30, 2020, 02:40:11 AM »
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  • I have followed this pretty closely, and discussed it with a few people in the comments section of Foxnews. I will number some things I consider significant about this:
    1)  There is 7 minutes of time between his handcuffing and when he was on the ground when there was NO VIDEO for those minutes. The officers say the man was resisting getting into the car. We don't know how violent the resistance was, but his being on the ground in the other video is a result. The amount of force police use at their discretion is based on factors such as the level of violence and how big the man is.
    2)  I know of no witnesses saying the man was not resisting arrest.
    3)  No experienced officer in his right mind would do blatantly wrong things in broad daylight on a busy street.
    4)  There is no particular method to subdue the unruly. It's up to the officer to decide according to the situation, and in context of everything surrounding him.
    5)  I have read that police know a method of subduing a standing man by an arm hold around the neck, where the bent of the arm is in front of the neck and the upper arm and forearm on each side. Squeezing can depress a major vein and make the suspect black out very quickly.
    6)  The officers knee was on the BACK of the neck and somewhat towards the side. We don't know the pressure. But had it been pressing on the vein, the man would have blacked out quickly. He didn't, so that means the vein was not being pressed.
    7)  The officers knee was not in a position to interfere with the windpipe, so he could not be strangled. The fact that the man was capable of speaking loudly and repeatedly shows he was not suffocating.
    8)  Arrested suspects are often known to lie and try to make the police feel guilty for how they are being treated, often as a diversion to be able to run or grab a weapon.
    9)  No experienced officer would deliberately strangle another man in broad daylight especially when the act is not quick but takes minutes. It's obvious the officer did not think the suspect would be caused serious harm.
    10)  Come to know, the suspect had other health problems, such as hypertension, which can easily result in a heart attack.
    11)  Suspects have been known to die by an officer's use of a taser. In those cases the officers don't mean to cause any serious harm either, but it happens.

    I found out that the autopsy shows the cause of death was NOT strangulation. The family is hiring another doctor to do a second autopsy.

    It was said that the man was about to be put into the police cruiser and stiffened up and fell saying he was claustrophobic. This was a plain lie because the man was just taken out of his own car minutes before. Criminals can play games like this to give them time to think about their next move, or give time for an accomplice to spring them. It was a dangerous situation. Since it was not strangulation, the man was also lying about not being able to breathe.


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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #11 on: May 30, 2020, 07:01:06 AM »
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  • I found out that the autopsy shows the cause of death was NOT strangulation. The family is hiring another doctor to do a second autopsy.

    It was said that the man was about to be put into the police cruiser and stiffened up and fell saying he was claustrophobic. This was a plain lie because the man was just taken out of his own car minutes before. Criminals can play games like this to give them time to think about their next move, or give time for an accomplice to spring them. It was a dangerous situation. Since it was not strangulation, the man was also lying about not being able to breathe.
    I do think a second autopsy could be necessary. In my opinion, I think that the officer could've handled it better as he was kneeling on George Floyd's neck. If he didn't do this, Minneapolis would be 100 times safer right now, I watched the video tapes of the incident and did my own research (I didn't just watch CNN and form my opinion). But, it sure isn't in that officer's favor. That's all I'm gonna say. Now we'll just have to wait and see how the second autopsy goes.
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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #12 on: May 30, 2020, 08:29:09 AM »
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  • I found out that the autopsy shows the cause of death was NOT strangulation. The family is hiring another doctor to do a second autopsy.

    It was said that the man was about to be put into the police cruiser and stiffened up and fell saying he was claustrophobic. This was a plain lie because the man was just taken out of his own car minutes before. Criminals can play games like this to give them time to think about their next move, or give time for an accomplice to spring them. It was a dangerous situation. Since it was not strangulation, the man was also lying about not being able to breathe.

    It doesn't matter why he dropped to the ground.  That didn't justify kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes.  It warranted a resisting arrest charge of some kind.

    Would you like me to kneel on your neck for 8 minutes and see how well you can breathe?  There was probably about 50-75 pounds of weight on the man's neck for 8 minutes.  Whether or not he actually died of strangulation, the likelihood that he would have trouble breathing is very high.  Then his struggling to breathe and the anxiety of being in that situation could have touched off some cardiac episode.  So at the very least it was undoubtedly a contributing factor in his death.

    What will condemn this crooked cop is the fact that the man was pleading that he could not breathe and the cop persisted.

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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #13 on: May 30, 2020, 08:32:13 AM »
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  • I challenge any of you turds who think this action was justified to come to my house and let me kneel on your neck for 8 minutes.  This guy was barely moving much less actively resisting.

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    Re: George Floyd dead at 46
    « Reply #14 on: May 30, 2020, 10:08:45 AM »
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  • I found out that the autopsy shows the cause of death was NOT strangulation. The family is hiring another doctor to do a second autopsy.

    It was said that the man was about to be put into the police cruiser and stiffened up and fell saying he was claustrophobic. This was a plain lie because the man was just taken out of his own car minutes before. Criminals can play games like this to give them time to think about their next move, or give time for an accomplice to spring them. It was a dangerous situation. Since it was not strangulation, the man was also lying about not being able to breathe.
    You don't know that he was lying.  My first reaction to his not being able to breathe was that there might be a medical issue.  If he is indeed claustrophobic (and let's be honest, being in the back of a police cruiser is not the same thing as being in your own car), he may have been having a panic attack at the same time as well....which would affect his breathing.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)