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Re: Gender segregation in church
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2018, 01:50:00 PM »
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    • It's largely irrelevant as to whether or not an interesting topic is started by a troll.
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #46 on: September 02, 2018, 01:51:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 02, 2018, 12:54:57 PM
    This.
    There's a difference between being attracted to a woman's beauty, and lusting after a woman in a carnal manner, like dogs after a piece of meat.

    Blurring the two together is very common among the scrupulous.  Scrupulous people often see a beautiful woman and the mere recognition of said beauty they chalk up as a sin.

    Nevertheless, there's something to be said even for ruling out even the non-sinful distraction of "being attracted to a woman's beauty" during Mass.  That's why the Church said it's "desirable".
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #47 on: September 02, 2018, 02:02:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on September 02, 2018, 01:46:36 PM
    The name gives it all away. Never met a "Catholic" named Avraham Ben Yehuda and wouldn't trust one, either.
    You forgot an important detail: "with a tagline written in Hebrew."
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #48 on: September 02, 2018, 02:31:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 02, 2018, 02:02:20 PM
    You forgot an important detail: "with a tagline written in Hebrew."

    His Hebrew tagline translates to:  "Blessed be the Lord Jesus Christ."  So could be so-called "Messianic Jew" putting out a feeler towards Traditional Catholicism.  Once a Jew believes that Jesus is the Messiah, then he's probably in a state of investigating various forms of Christianity.  I knew one once who was interested in Traditional Catholicism precisely because of traditionialist Jєωιѕн sentiments.  If you read the book How Christ Said the First Mass, you'll know that much of the Tridentine Mass might resonate with a Jew.  Anyway, the Messianic Jew I knew still wore his yarmulke but came to visit the SSPV chapel in Ohio  Father Jenkins asked me to spend some time talking with him.  I knew Biblical Hebrew, so I talked to him at length about it.  He pointed out that the first three letters of the Hebrew Bible (in Genesis) were the first three letters of the Hebrew word for "Father, Son, Spirit", that the Holy Trinity was in the very beginning of the Bible.  I found that fascinating.  "BRA"  Ben (=Son), Ruach (=Spirit), Av (=Father).  B'RASHIT = "In the beginning". 
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #49 on: September 02, 2018, 02:50:58 PM »
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    • Then the BAR repeats also in the next word "created" =BARAH

    B'RASHIT BARAH

    בְּרֵאשִׁי בָּרָא

    Note the repeated letters (below).  Read left-to-right (vs. the Hebrew right-to-left) these are A, R, B.
    בְּרֵא

    What's really cool too is that I used the "backspace" to delete a couple characters in the Hebrew text, and the backspace went in the opposite direction of how it works in English.  So computers now know how to work with right-to-left text.  Just "quote" this text and try it.  Put your cursor within the Hebrew word and hit "backspace".
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #50 on: September 02, 2018, 02:57:37 PM »
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    •  :laugh1:  Now I'm sure I'll be accused of being a crypto-Jew.

    I studied Biblical Hebrew at Loyola U. in Chicago under Father Mitch Pacwa (more recently of EWTN fame).

    Father Pacwa was an interesting man.  Before I became a Traditional Catholic, I got to know him a little as being very conservative doctrinally.  So I decided that I would go to one of his Masses.  And I walk in to find him sitting on the floor strumming a Ukelele and singing something Kumbaya-ish.  But then he delivered an incredibly orthodox sermon regarding the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory (along with the accompanying anti-Protestant apologetics).  He would walk around campus openly praying his Rosary and wearing a cassock.
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #51 on: September 02, 2018, 03:10:36 PM »
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    • More and more , there areattacks happening in Churches, I want my husband next to me if anything would happen.  

    Also, it seems that sodomites are increasing in numbers among the laity, so no I wouldn't want some sodomite sitting near my husband with lustful eyes.  

    If you are checking out modestly dressed young ladies with lust , you are in a state of sin and should not go to Communion unless you go to Confession.

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #52 on: September 02, 2018, 03:12:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on September 02, 2018, 03:10:36 PM
    If you are checking out modestly dressed young ladies with lust , you are in a state of sin and should not go to Communion unless you go to Confession.

    Or they're scruplulous and considering things to be sinful that actually aren't.  So the scrupulous person might required the OPPOSITE advice ... since they already tend not to go to Communion for non-sinful things.
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    Re: 1917 can. 1262
    « Reply #53 on: September 02, 2018, 03:36:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on September 01, 2018, 06:20:26 PM
    1917 canon 1262:
    Dom Augustine's commentary on this canon:
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    § I. Conformable to ancient discipline, it is desirable that the women should be separated from the men in church. The very division of the ancient basilica singled out the vestibule for the penitents ; the catechumens were usually admitted to the rear of the nave ; the faithful occupied the side aisles, the men on the right side of the en-trance, the women on the left. Those who were held in special honor by the congregation, as widows and virgins,and those who, on account of age or social position, were entitled to peculiar regard, had their place in the forward end of the aisles or in the transept. The different orders of the clergy were in turn distinguished, the bishop had his seat in the middle of the apsidal circle, while the presbyters were seated on either side of him, but at a lower level,the deacons stood near the altar and the inferior clergy had their place with the choir in the nave." In this country it will, we fear, be difficult to carry out this "desire"of the Church, on account of our custom of family pews.
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #54 on: September 02, 2018, 03:39:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 02, 2018, 02:02:20 PM
    You forgot an important detail: "with a tagline written in Hebrew."
    So? Hebrew's a sacred language (nailed to the Holy Cross along with Greek and Latin).
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #55 on: September 02, 2018, 03:41:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 02, 2018, 02:31:59 PM
    Once a Jew believes that Jesus is the Messiah
    …then he's no longer a Jew.
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #56 on: September 02, 2018, 03:42:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on September 02, 2018, 03:39:05 PM
    So? Hebrew's a sacred language.
    Yes, but not many Catholics put it in their sig line -- as part of their very identity or profile. Just for starters, most will rightly assume that such a person is Jєωιѕн or Israeli rather than Catholic. No one sees Hebrew letters and assumes "Catholic".

    Hebrew is a touchy subject, because while our Old Testament came from the Jews, it's nevertheless true that the Church's mortal enemy has been the Jews for the last 2000 years. They have been perfidious since the time of Our Lord. So you can't just embrace or promote Hebrew or all that is Jєωιѕн "carte blanche".
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #57 on: September 02, 2018, 03:50:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 02, 2018, 02:31:59 PM
    He pointed out that the first three letters of the Hebrew Bible (in Genesis) were the first three letters of the Hebrew word for "Father, Son, Spirit", that the Holy Trinity was in the very beginning of the Bible.  I found that fascinating.  "BRA"  Ben (=Son), Ruach (=Spirit), Av (=Father).  B'RASHIT = "In the beginning".
    Wow, I never knew that.
    I only knew of the Trinity references in Gen. 1:26 and Gen. 18:2-3.
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #58 on: September 02, 2018, 04:28:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on September 02, 2018, 03:50:41 PM
    I only knew of the Trinity references in Gen. 1:26 and Gen. 18:2-3.

    St. Augustine explains that in

    Quote from: Gen 1
    1 In principio creavit Deus cælum et terram.
    2 Terra autem erat inanis et vacua, et tenebræ erant super faciem abyssi : et spiritus Dei ferebatur super aquas.

    we have the trinity, Deus signifying the Father, principio the Son, spiritus Dei the Holy Ghost.

    (St. Augustine: "The literal meaning of Genesis", 1st book, 6th chapter, 12th section)
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #59 on: September 02, 2018, 05:35:11 PM »
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    • Wait.  I thought I saw a post by SJ this morning stating he would never sign into Cathinfo again. Did someone hack his account...because  I see he has posted at least a couple of times since....
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