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Offline SimpleMan

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G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
« on: March 30, 2021, 09:51:30 PM »
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  • https://www.foxnews.com/politics/g-gordon-liddy-watergate-mastermind-and-nixon-operative-dead-at-90

    I might not have made every moral decision that he ever made, but still, you must admit the guy had huevos.

    Any man who likes guns, shaves his head, and refers to the Novus Ordo as "balloons and banjos" is OK by me.

    The scene in the movie "Will" where he responds to the black cellmates taunting him on his way to the showers, by breaking into a song remembered from his childhood, is priceless.  Anyone who has seen the film, or even read the book (I've done both), will know precisely what I'm talking about.

    Requiem aeternam dona ei, Domine,
    et lux perpetua luceat ei.
    Requiescat in pace. Amen.



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    Re: G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
    « Reply #1 on: March 31, 2021, 08:48:38 AM »
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  • No matter what you believe about Watergate, G Gordon Liddy never sold out the President to save his butt.
    He stood up and served his entire sentence and refused parole so as to be rid of the "system" after release. He was a "man's man" and they don't make many like him anymore.
    Requiescat in pace.


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    Re: G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
    « Reply #2 on: March 31, 2021, 09:14:31 AM »
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  • Any man who likes guns, shaves his head, and refers to the Novus Ordo as "balloons and banjos" is OK by me.

    Was he a Traditional Catholic?

    His morals seem a bit suspect to me.  Perhaps he was all talk, but he said he would be prepared to "take out" some reporters if he been asked to.  And I don't trust anyone who worked for Hoover.

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    Re: G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
    « Reply #3 on: March 31, 2021, 09:23:28 AM »
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  • Well, I debated on bringing this up, but for some reason, I will find my thoughts drifting towards a certain person, whether celebrity or someone known to me personally, then I will later discover that the person died that day, or in the very recent past.  Just something I've always noticed.  Whether supernatural, or just the product of the fertile and quick mind of a guy who's seen everything, read everything, done pretty much everything, and been pretty much everywhere, no way to say.  But here goes:

    Yesterday morning, I was in Walmart, doing some very ordinary grocery shopping, and behind me I heard the dulcet tones of someone singing soul, rhythm and blues, or whatever it was.  I turned around and it was a young black guy with a huge backpack (evidently homeless, people don't carry huge backpacks into Walmart).  I thought "oh, how sweet, he's celebrating his gift of blackness".  All well and good, and he did have a very nice voice.  I then reflected on whether my tax money was going to fund some kind of government assistance he might be receiving --- for all I know, he might be heir to a fortune and lives out of his backpack as a lifestyle choice, that's no crime, that's no sin.  But I thought, okay, you celebrate your blackness, I'll celebrate my whiteness, sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander, or as GGL said in Will, "you want race? --- I'll give you race!".  I then proceeded to sing, in a soft, barely audible voice, the patriotic German lied that GGL sang as he walked through the prison block.  Just blowing off some steam as a member of the only group in America that it's still considered OK to hate.

    Don't take my comments as anything hateful towards the noble African race (whatever deficiencies they may have, they can't help, they didn't ask to be born with lower IQs), nor as any sympathy whatsoever for the NSDAP.  I played this for my son the other day, and he was horrified, as he recognized it from one of his military-fantasy video games.  He is a big WWII buff, so much so, in fact, that we paused our study of medieval Christendom (the TAN Civilization series) this quarter to study more contemporary history topics such as WWII.

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    Re: G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
    « Reply #4 on: March 31, 2021, 09:31:44 AM »
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  • Was he a Traditional Catholic?

    His morals seem a bit suspect to me.  Perhaps he was all talk, but he said he would be prepared to "take out" some reporters if he been asked to.  And I don't trust anyone who worked for Hoover.
    Let's just say he had a unique slant on things.  No one can know his heart, but every moral decision he ever made probably wouldn't, from all outward appearances, line up perfectly with the Baltimore Catechism, nor with the motto of the young and wise St Dominic Savio, "death before sin".  Many people could say likewise, I know I certainly could.  He did have a pre-V2 upbringing, was disdainful of the Novus Ordo, and did have five children, Mrs Liddy only using ABC to correct an erratic cycle with unintended contraceptive effect, something specifically allowed as tolerable by Paul VI in Humanae vitae.  There are far worse people in the world who call themselves Catholics.

    He even had a picture of part of his large gun collection in his book Will, and I shared this with my son last night.  Pretty impressive.  An interesting read that doesn't require a whole lot from you, I heartily recommend it.  I brought the book over last night from our other house when I heard the news.

    Good radio show, and I even passed him in traffic one morning in DC, his license plate read "GYRENE". Semper fi.

    (ETA --- That must have been his son's car.  GGL was never in the Marines.  His son was.  GGL was Army.)


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    Re: G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
    « Reply #5 on: March 31, 2021, 12:36:23 PM »
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  •   I then proceeded to sing, in a soft, barely audible voice, the ραƚɾισtic German lied that GGL sang as he walked through the prison block.  

     

    Picturing you walking through WalMart singing "Die Fahne hoch" gave me a good chuckle. Thank you.


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    I played this for my son the other day, and he was horrified, as he recognized it from one of his military-fantasy video games.  He is a big WWII buff, so much so, in fact, that we paused our study of medieval Christendom (the TAN Civilization series) this quarter to study more contemporary history topics such as WWII.

    Your son may enjoy the audio I posted earlier:


    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/war-memoirs-of-fr-hugh-thwaites-sj/


    Fr. Thwaites was captured and spent time in a Japanese POW camp.
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer

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    Re: G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
    « Reply #6 on: March 31, 2021, 02:31:48 PM »
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  • Picturing you walking through WalMart singing "Die Fahne hoch" gave me a good chuckle. Thank you.

    I had my mask on, and my voice was so soft (unlike the guy who was channeling Barry White and, quite frankly, doing a nice job of it), that nobody except Our Blessed Lord and me heard it.  And I only really know the first verse by heart anyway...

    Again, noted for historical interest only, no NSDAP sympathies, though if 18 had stuck with repudiating the Treaty of Versailles, repatriating the ethnic German borderlands, the Austrian Anschluss, and finding some way to deal with the Volga German situation, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. 

    And, yes, I do have a VHS (and MP3) copy of Triumph des Willens, again, just for historical interest.  Leni did a nice job given the technology of the time.

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    Re: G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
    « Reply #7 on: March 31, 2021, 03:10:52 PM »
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  • no NSDAP sympathies
    I didn't think that you did, SM. I'm not a nαzι or a real racist either, I just despise political correctness and enjoy racial humor.
     I have had some great conversations with people that are "minorities"; they have told me how much they despise the professional race-baiters that presume to speak for them. These same people face real backlash from their own when they speak up, and I admire them for doing it.
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer


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    Re: G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
    « Reply #8 on: March 31, 2021, 04:58:32 PM »
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  • I, too, read WILL.  What I also remember is when he decided that Mrs. Liddy was who he wanted to marry, she was not that interested.  So, he had to woo her.  It took time.  He had a decent singing voice, and recorded several romantic songs on a tape that he kept after her to listen to.  Eventually, he wore her down.  (She was maybe taller than him - or at least his height - but he said he didn't mind having a tall woman on his arm.)

    So, they are in New York City.  And they are making a visit at St. Patrick's Cathedral.  And before the Blessed Sacrament, in the pew where they were, he offered the engagement ring.

    Which she accepts. 

        
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: G. Gordon Liddy, requiescat in pace
    « Reply #9 on: March 31, 2021, 07:30:33 PM »
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  • I didn't think that you did, SM. I'm not a nαzι or a real racist either, I just despise political correctness and enjoy racial humor.
     I have had some great conversations with people that are "minorities"; they have told me how much they despise the professional race-baiters that presume to speak for them. These same people face real backlash from their own when they speak up, and I admire them for doing it.

    I love all people (at least theologically, in the case of individuals who challenge my sensibilities to the point that I can't "like" them) and realize that Our Lord created the different races for a reason, probably more a matter of their natural environments and suitability for the same, than anything else.  Different races, nationalities, and ethnicities have different abilities, though there is quite a bit of variation in either direction.  I am thankful to be European-descended and the heir of all those many things that Europeans have excelled at.  Asians and Africans have their gifts too.  You have to think on your feet in the jungle, and you have to prepare for that bitterly cold winter, if you're in northern climes.  Being melanin-rich also comes in handy when you live in a place with intense, direct sunlight twelve months out of the year.  And I will concede, while the human development problems of the African continent are regrettable, there is a small kernel of truth in their coming back to us and saying "you're the ones who have defined what is significant about human nature and what isn't, and you can't judge us, or our competence or abilities, by your standards".  This said, though, I'm not keen to start flying on airplanes built by, or receiving open-heart surgery from, people who think of things such as precision or logic as racist white values.  2 plus 2 will never equal 5.

    To be perfectly blunt, my number-one problem with black Americans is that, in the main, they claim to be pro-life family values conservatives, yet they vote for pro-abortion Democrats in the name of their own self-interests.  If black Americans voted pro-life, a pro-choice politician could never be elected, at least not in vast portions of the US.  If they voted as a pro-life bloc, I really wouldn't care if they voted by mail, with no voter ID, or whatever, and I'd probably just chuckle at things like those loud, incessant cell phone conversations in the grocery store, insisting upon backing into parking spaces in crowded lots, and I could even ignore the not-tipping thing (easy for me to say, as I have never worked in food service).  I have a similar bone to pick with all the nominal "Catholics" in the traditionally Catholic areas of the US who vote pro-choice as well.  You'd expect places such as Massachusetts or Rhode Island to be the most pro-life states in the union, but it's not that way.  If both groups --- blacks and Catholics in the traditionally ethnic enclaves --- would vote pro-life, abortion would just be illegal, period.    There aren't enough feminists or Swedish cosmopolitans (uff da!) to decide the outcome of ɛƖɛctıons by themselves.