Author Topic: Frozen little ones (Read 1280 times)

Kephapaulos · « **on:** June 16, 2009, 04:25:17 PM »

I noticed IVF was brought up in another, and I was thinking now of the fact that there are human embryos frozen. What should be done about such a situation morally? Should it be at first the mothers of those children to be asked to bring them to term? And if any of those mothers refuse, would it be possible for another woman to volunteer to bring them to term? This is a question of morality that I have wondered about recently.

clare · « **Reply #1 on:** June 16, 2009, 04:44:12 PM »

Alex · « **Reply #2 on:** June 17, 2009, 01:00:09 AM »

True and sad that there is no solution to this problem. You can't even use artificial insemination to bring them to term for a couple who wants to adopt because you can never do evil to bring about a good.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 17, 2009, 07:13:11 AM »

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/E012cpFrzoenEmbryo2.htm

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 17, 2009, 07:17:46 AM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

I noticed IVF was brought up in another, and I was thinking now of the fact that there are human embryos frozen. What should be done about such a situation morally? Should it be at first the mothers of those children to be asked to bring them to term? And if any of those mothers refuse, would it be possible for another woman to volunteer to bring them to term? This is a question of morality that I have wondered about recently.

surrogate motherhood is sinful.
Even if you could keep the whole world from it's destruction by the slightest sin, you must not sin.

kittycat496 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 17, 2009, 07:49:10 AM »

What is wrong with surrogate mothers? In most cases it doesn't actually require her to get a full IVF. It's really just her and a turkey baster.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #6 on:** June 17, 2009, 08:17:03 AM »

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:

Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple (donation of sperm or ovum, surrogate uterus), are gravely immoral. These techniques (heterologous artificial insemination and fertilization) infringe the child's right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses' "right to become a father and a mother only through each other" (CCC 2376).

clare · « **Reply #7 on:** June 17, 2009, 08:20:02 AM »

Quote from: kittycat496

What is wrong with surrogate mothers? In most cases it doesn't actually require her to get a full IVF. It's really just her and a turkey baster.

Unless she commits adultery with the father, there's still that business of separating the unitive from the procreative.

As I said before on another thread. There's only one moral way to conceive. And it doesn't involve a turkey baster.

And no, committing adultery wouldn't make it right either! Just more honest!

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #8 on:** June 17, 2009, 08:30:55 AM »

My point is: If God doesn't want to give you a child of your own blood, why do you want to have one? May be, he will give you one in future after some years of prayer. It has happened many times in the church's history and it can happen to you.
Barrenness is a big cross and one must bear it in union with the Lord. It is also the great apportunity to adopt a child, a child that can be brought up by pagans who may deprive him of salvation.
Those children who live in bad situations are prone to many evils, everybody can kidnap them and take disadvantage of them in the most sinful ways.
Is it not beautiful to save a little angel from such great evils?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 17, 2009, 08:40:40 AM »

There is no moral solution, but there remains the possibility someone will have them implanted someday.

clare · « **Reply #10 on:** June 17, 2009, 08:56:25 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

There is no moral solution, but there remains the possibility someone will have them implanted someday.

Which is also not a moral solution.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #11 on:** June 17, 2009, 09:02:03 AM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: Telesphorus
There is no moral solution, but there remains the possibility someone will have them implanted someday.

Which is also not a moral solution.

I agree, the point is that one cannot say they will never live lives, that they are forever frozen.