Author Topic: From the White House? (Read 140561 times)

Cera · « **Reply #45 on:** December 17, 2025, 03:18:11 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 16, 2025, 01:07:32 PM

sinner who advocates for the slaughter of innocent life by the millions).

You must be speaking of IVF, which many Catholics don't even understand. Trump, for all his faults, has stopped more abortions than any other President.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #46 on:** December 17, 2025, 03:30:29 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 17, 2025, 01:31:09 PM

Of course he doesn't care about the unwashed masses. However, sending a letter will simply be one more item that gets one flagged within the workings of the Techno-Gulag. Anyone that posts regularly on CI is already on a list of some kind somewhere, so do as you see fit. Just don't be surprised when the outcome is not all that positive. If you send it, please correct "their" to "there" in the second sentence. Cheers :)

Thanks for the correction. No matter how hard I try I always write the wrong "there." I am sorry I didn't catch it this time.

Also the email address given by the white house doesn't work or is never checked. If I find a working email I will update the thread.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 17, 2025, 05:13:42 PM »

Made the correction.

Submitted the letter here.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

If we don't try, we don't know what God chooses to accomplish through His believers.

Yes I know, maybe I am too optimistic, if I don't act this way, then I easily fall into despair.

WorldsAway · « **Reply #48 on:** December 18, 2025, 08:58:01 AM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 17, 2025, 03:41:56 PM

He is a great promoter of slaying innocent life among his many other PUBLIC crimes and now we can add (at the very least material), heresy of denying the Incarnation to the list as well.

B) They should not expect the praises of God's Mother to come from the unfitting lips of nonbelievers who sanction the slaying of millions of human lives every year and so many other PUBLIC crimes and sins.

It makes perfect sense that Trump and/or his administration would believe that God became man at Our Lord's Birth, precisely because they are A-OK with IVF (murder) and leaving abortion (murder) "up to the states".

If God became man at the Incarnation..well, that means life begins at conception..and that means IVF is murder

Angelus · « **Reply #49 on:** December 18, 2025, 12:13:57 PM »

Quote from: WorldsAway on December 18, 2025, 08:58:01 AM

It makes perfect sense that Trump and/or his administration would believe that God became man at Our Lord's Birth, precisely because they are A-OK with IVF (murder) and leaving abortion (murder) "up to the states".

If God became man at the Incarnation..well, that means life begins at conception..and that means IVF is murder

And guess what religious group also shares that same Birth = Personhood belief?

From Gemini AI:

In the тαℓмυdic and broader Jєωιѕн legal tradition, the status of life is viewed as a gradual development rather than a single moment of "personhood" at conception. While the fetus is highly valued as potential life, it does not achieve the legal status of a full "person" (nefesh) until birth.

The тαℓмυdic perspective generally breaks down into three distinct stages:

1. The First 40 Days: "Mere Water"

From conception until the 40th day of gestation, the тαℓмυd (specifically in Yevamot 69b) describes the embryo as maya b’alma, which translates to "mere water" or "mere fluid." During this initial period:

The embryo is not considered to have any independent status or human form.
In legal terms regarding inheritance or ritual purity, it is treated as though it does not yet exist as a distinct entity.

2. 40 Days to Birth: "A Part of the Mother"

After the 40th day and until the moment of birth, the fetus is considered a "potential life." However, it is legally defined as ubar yerech immo—literally, "the thigh of its mother."

Part of the Body: The fetus is considered an integral part of the pregnant person's body, similar to an organ, rather than a separate person.

Prioritizing the Mother: Because the fetus is "potential life" and the mother is an "existing life," Jєωιѕн law (Halakha) mandates that if the mother's life or health is at risk, her life takes absolute precedence.

3. Birth: The Beginning of Personhood

According to the Mishnah (Ohalot 7:6), full personhood (nefesh) is established only at the moment of birth.

The Threshold: The тαℓмυd defines this moment as when the "greater part" of the body (or the head) emerges from the birth canal.

The "First Breath": Many commentators link this to the "breath of life" mentioned in Genesis, suggesting that the soul (neshamah) fully enters the body with the first independent breath.

Legal Equality: Only after this point is the baby considered a separate person with legal rights equal to the mother. At this stage, one life cannot be set aside for another.

Summary Table: Status of Life in the тαℓмυd

Stage	тαℓмυdic Term	Status
0–40 Days	Maya b’alma	"Mere water"; no formal status.
40 Days to Birth	Ubar yerech immo	Part of the mother's body; potential life.
Emergence (Birth)	Nefesh	Full human personhood and legal rights.

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Note on Viability: Historically, the тαℓмυd also mentions a 30-day period after birth where a child is not considered fully "viable" (ben kayama) until they have survived a month, though modern Jєωιѕн law treats newborns as full persons from the moment of birth due to advances in medical care.

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