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Offline Yeti

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Re: Padre Pio -- sobering -- one out of 3 denied absolution
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2022, 09:47:59 PM »
Quote from: Charity on August 06, 2022, 03:44:37 PM
It is estimated that St. Pio refused absolution to one out of three of those who went to him for confession


You can't possibly believe such a ridiculous statistic?!
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Re: Padre Pio -- sobering -- one out of 3 denied absolution
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2022, 10:02:44 PM »
Quote from: Charity on August 06, 2022, 09:11:50 PM
https://divinefiat.blogspot.com/2020/06/padre-pio-on-denying-absolution.html

That is a very interesting article, but I don't know:


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I once said to him: “In the case of death, these people whom you refused absolution run the risk of damnation.” He replied: “Who told you these souls were not in the grace of God?” I objected: “If they are in the grace of God why can't they receive Holy Communion? And he: “Because they must do a particular penance.” The Padre believed that those penitents who are well-prepared and who had not been absolved, were not in God's disfavor as a result of the fact that they hadn't been given absolution, and even though they were at the door of the Church, they were already part of the ecclesiastical circle. This period of waiting at the door of the Church was a rather “refined” penance, and precisely for this reason, it was probably reserved for those souls who were capable of understanding its importance and efficacy.

Frankly, that really doesn't make sense to me at all. Someone can't be absolved unless they do some particular form of penance? And someone who was refused absolution isn't in danger of losing his soul? I think whoever heard those statements of Padre Pio may have misunderstood what he was talking about.
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Offline Shrewd Operator

Re: Padre Pio -- sobering -- one out of 3 denied absolution
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2022, 08:34:07 AM »


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I once said to him: “In the case of death, these people whom you refused absolution run the risk of damnation.” He replied: “Who told you these souls were not in the grace of God?” I objected: “If they are in the grace of God why can't they receive Holy Communion? And he: “Because they must do a particular penance.” The Padre believed that those penitents who are well-prepared and who had not been absolved, were not in God's disfavor as a result of the fact that they hadn't been given absolution, and even though they were at the door of the Church, they were already part of the ecclesiastical circle. This period of waiting at the door of the Church was a rather “refined” penance, and precisely for this reason, it was probably reserved for those souls who were capable of understanding its importance and efficacy.


Frankly, that really doesn't make sense to me at all. Someone can't be absolved unless they do some particular form of penance? And someone who was refused absolution isn't in danger of losing his soul? I think whoever heard those statements of Padre Pio may have misunderstood what he was talking about.




This is not that difficult of a proposition, especially from Padre Pio's stand point. It's not just a matter of "A sin is a sin, why can't he just absolve it?" A thief can't be forgiven unless he returns the thing he stole, or it's value. There are also some graces are not granted unless specifically prayed for. The Padre would not refuse absolution unless he knew it would turn out well,  or the soul could not be helped in any case. A person can have the right intention (and should!) in going to confession and achieve perfect contrition, but be denied absolution. They are not technically at risk for Hell because they are in Grace, but they must refrain from Communion and come back again after doing more, or better penance. If an excommunicant went to the bishop and said "I want to be reconciled' the bishop might make him do public penance before lifting the sentence.  
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Re: Padre Pio -- sobering -- one out of 3 denied absolution
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2022, 08:39:56 PM »


Here's a video of Padre Pio in action.  



At 1:50, he's handed a child to bless.  The Italians are so funny.
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Offline Nadir

Re: Padre Pio -- sobering -- one out of 3 denied absolution
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2022, 06:16:03 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on August 07, 2022, 08:39:56 PM

Here's a video of Padre Pio in action. 



At 1:50, he's handed a child to bless.  The Italians are so funny.

Poor man! Always surrounding by people chasing him for a blessing, kissing him, wanting to catch a glimpse of him, never a moment’s peace. He would have been driven mad if he wasn’t so sane!

look at the mail he received. One of those letters could have been my husband’s who wrote to him for advice. His letter was answered, so probably many of them were, but of course by one of a team of scribes on Padre Pio’s behalf.
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