Thank you for pointing me to this thread, Miseremini. I am beside myself. And I would point anyone browsing to the lovely
Absence of Rage thread in General, because quite simply,
WE CAN NOT PRAY WITH HERETICS. De fide.
/facepalm You know, those involved Moslems might yet Convert and not have sin unto death, because they are not OF us, and they have their souls yet until they go the usual route jihadists take these days (self-immolation, self-IED, ѕυιcιdє-by-stupidity, whatnot). And there is yet, in the old missal, that Good Friday prayer for heathens and heretics
to be Converted. (I doubt the NO uses such prayers, and has landed us RIGHT back in heresy-ville THANK YOU BUGNINI and Montini. —Yes,
that is rage!)
You see, the problem is French Catholic "bishops", "priests", and even the laity who didn't LEAVE, or DRAG these heretics out of their N.O. Mass by their signature HEAD RAGS OF HERESY. Because what possible excuse can
any Catholic have to put aside nearly
two thousand years of Our Lord and His Holy Apostles and Saints and Doctors and Councils and Papal Bulls and Miracles warning against praying with those OUTSIDE the Church, much less STAMPING UNDERFOOT THE BLOOD OF JESUS by corrupting Mass like this, dragging in the heathens for some evil "solidarity party"?!!!!! REALLY?!
There are so many Holy Writings against the potential EVIL
done by these French Catholics in allowing Moslems,
who mock Our Lord openly, to come into Holy MASS for some heathen worldly "solidarity" purpose that has NOTHING to do with Our Lord's Holy Sacrifice — not even Bergoglio lets Bible-thumping
Protestants in yet (if he does, please do not disabuse me of my ignorance), yet the French have thrown open the doors for those who don't even believe Our Lord is "Our Lord". (I'll give Protestants
that much, at least: yes, they seem to believe in Our Lord, as they were Catholics centuries ago before egos got in the way, and I suppose some current ones are reverent at least, and I don't wholly mind the idea that Protestants simply don't have the fullness of the Faith. Fine: they are as Jєωs then. They get my prayers to Convert to the Faith quickly, while it is still available openly. Absolutely!)
But this is serious business! These unsavory and apparently
indifferent souls of the French Catholics involved in this tragedy (Moslems to Mass Day!), due to some very false and disgusting teaching that "it's okay" to "bring heretics to Mass"
may literally have no possible Salvation. Seriously: read St. Paul, or St. Peter, in Holy Scripture! And Hebrews 6 and 10 are quite plain on the matter, as well. We simply ..
can't do such evil! (And yes, I'm using "we" in the sense of all who name themselves Catholic and at least
try to be obedient to Our One Holy Faith. We all sin; there are some sins we can't be united with, though, but I can't judge what those are. Having Heretics over for Socialism Hour at Mass is very disturbing, though. VERY.)
MartyrsDo we not know how many MARTYRS there have been throughout time WITH WHOM we are in communion?! Those who suffered and died and are in Heaven praying with us and for us, and yet we act like sodden ninnies when ONE PRIEST got his head chopped off in a secular, fallen country, I suppose because it happened in France instead of the Middle East? Didn't one of the conciliar popes make holy martrys of hundreds (I'm remembering 500?) "Westerners who refused to denounce Our Lord" to those Moslems, and who were beheaded in desert heat by Moslems, sometime under ten years ago? Assuming the best of Fr. Hamel,
don't we believe he is squared away! A Holy Martyr?! (I have no idea of the state of his soul; I'll pray for him equally as I would any Martyr for the Faith.)
But,
THIS ISN'T NEW! Moslems behead people all the time, even each other, and at an especially quick clip now that the West bombed them for little reason I can discern besides evil "one world" politics that have NOTHING to do with Our Lord. And while we pray for peace, are we to wet ourselves like this is "new information" and not LONG prophesied, and even
much suffered over the centuries, and DENOUNCE OUR FAITH and throw down our crosses and scream like little girls to go beg ENEMIES OF OUR LORD to please come to Mass and take that over, too?!
NO! We cannot! We MUST persevere! Evil was done in France; great evil. Sad stuff. Very bad. Others have suffered, as well. Moslems are sort of known for this. Have we dragged them to Mass before though? "In solidarity?"
I'm no Saint, and certainly no theologian, but I'm aware of
the basics at least: if an heretic teaches a false Gospel, or denies our Lord and Faith, they are not Catholic, and don't belong at Mass — for our sakes AND for theirs! I sincerely pray that no Catholic anywhere falls into the error of believing that Holy Mass is EVER an appropriate time to invite the enemies of Our Faith IN for whatever reason, most especially not to be "in solidarity" with an enemy of Christ. —Of course we do not have to spit at non-explosive Moslems, or turn our backs on them in everyday settings, as indeed our example might cause some Conversions, as Our Lord wills it. And (again, not sure of the rubrics) maybe it's not a terrible idea to say that Good Friday prayer for heretics and heathens more often, especially in these days.
But we CANNOT condone bringing Formal Heretics to MASS. (Nor can we "go to Mosque" to do whatever they do in there.) Or we will be CUT OFF from the Church, and thrown to Hell!
Poche:We do NOT need to be "in solidarity" with the Moslems, either. Friendly? Fine. Hope you wear some protection. But "in solidarity with"? Nope. Poche, try backing up and letting Our Lord do His work before you get people killed. Martrydom does sound good ...
for myself if it's quick, but it's wrong and criminal even to purposefully lead a living explosive Moslem into a church and kill people — you WOULD go to Hell for it. Get your head out of the Koran and know THERE IS NOTHING GOOD IS ISLAM. NOT A THING. IT IS EVIL.
DE FIDE Stop trolling. You know better.