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Offline poche

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« on: July 30, 2016, 12:48:11 AM »
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  • An influential French Muslim group is urging its members to attend Mass at Catholic churches this Sunday, in a show of solidarity after the murder of Father Jacques Hamel.

    The French Council for the Muslim Religion condemned the "cowardly assassination" of the elderly priest, and asked that all mosques discuss "the pivotal role that Islam plays in respecting other religions."

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=28966

    I too wish to encourage Muslims to attend mass/ Then afterwards they should take instruction to join the Catholic Church.


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    « Reply #1 on: July 30, 2016, 08:54:06 AM »
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  • Apparently even the Mohammedan false religion has its ecuмaniacs and liberals (their own version of Novus Ordinarians).

    I read once that 50% of the people who attend Mass every Sunday in France attend S.S.P.X chapels ... so maybe some of these liberal Mohammedans will attend the true Mass and I, too, pray that they stay for some instruction. The S.S.P.X is far from perfect but at least they'd learn about the actual Catholic faith at their chapels, not the Novus Ordo cult.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 31, 2016, 12:24:57 AM »
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  • It is not uncommon to read in French language forums introductions like "I am a muslim but I think Christianity is true" or "I am a Muslim but I am interesting in learning about Christianity." or "I am a muslm but I want to become Catholic."    

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    « Reply #3 on: July 31, 2016, 07:45:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    An influential French Muslim group is urging its members to attend Mass at Catholic churches this Sunday, in a show of solidarity after the murder of Father Jacques Hamel.

    The French Council for the Muslim Religion condemned the "cowardly assassination" of the elderly priest, and asked that all mosques discuss "the pivotal role that Islam plays in respecting other religions."



    That is a beautiful gesture and should be commended.  

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    « Reply #4 on: July 31, 2016, 09:43:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    An influential French Muslim group is urging its members to attend Mass at Catholic churches this Sunday, in a show of solidarity after the murder of Father Jacques Hamel.

    The French Council for the Muslim Religion condemned the "cowardly assassination" of the elderly priest, and asked that all mosques discuss "the pivotal role that Islam plays in respecting other religions."

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=28966

    I too wish to encourage Muslims to attend mass/ Then afterwards they should take instruction to join the Catholic Church.


    Muslims have a lot of interest in Christianity because Jesus is regarded very highly in Islam -almost, if not directly at the level of Muhammad.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...


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    « Reply #5 on: July 31, 2016, 11:22:25 AM »
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  • Sounds good but sorry I have a problem with a bunch of lookyloo heathens attending Mass for no other purpose than trying to prove something.
    Would they allow Christians (including women) in their mosque in groups for no other reason than to observe their rite or some other trivial reason?

    Even catechums weren't allowed to stay for the whole Mass.

    If their purpose was different, for example their first step to conversion after many interviews with a priest,  I would feel different but this is just plain ecuмenism on the part of Catholics for allowing it.

    A Catholic church is holy ground.

    Thank you but no thank you.
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    « Reply #6 on: July 31, 2016, 11:45:37 AM »
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  • We are told that we are not to pray with the heathen.

    How is this gesture by the muslims any different than what we have been condeming the last few Pope's for doing?

    The muslims have made one good gesture, they have refused to bury the priest's killers.

    I would be very scared to see a muslim  entering the church for fear the burka concealed a ѕυιcιdє bomber intent on finishing the job.

    If it's wrong for us to pray in their mosque it's wrong for them to pray in our church.

    We are to be charitable not stupid.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #7 on: August 01, 2016, 01:20:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: JezusDeKoning
    Quote from: poche
    An influential French Muslim group is urging its members to attend Mass at Catholic churches this Sunday, in a show of solidarity after the murder of Father Jacques Hamel.

    The French Council for the Muslim Religion condemned the "cowardly assassination" of the elderly priest, and asked that all mosques discuss "the pivotal role that Islam plays in respecting other religions."

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=28966

    I too wish to encourage Muslims to attend mass/ Then afterwards they should take instruction to join the Catholic Church.


    Muslims have a lot of interest in Christianity because Jesus is regarded very highly in Islam -almost, if not directly at the level of Muhammad.


    Everything that might be considered good in Islam comes from the Catholic Church.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 01, 2016, 01:23:02 AM »
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  • Even catechums weren't allowed to stay for the whole Mass.

    That was true in ancient days. But that is no longer true. Catechumens are encouraged to attend mass regularly.  

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    « Reply #9 on: August 01, 2016, 01:24:05 AM »
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  • We are told that we are not to pray with the heathen.

    What about when they become catechumens?

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    « Reply #10 on: August 01, 2016, 01:25:59 AM »
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  • I would be very scared to see a muslim  entering the church for fear the burka concealed a ѕυιcιdє bomber intent on finishing the job.

    Then you would be missing out on an opportunity to become a martyr and go directly to Heaven without suffering the flames of Purgatory.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 01, 2016, 02:11:24 AM »
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  • Thank you for pointing me to this thread, Miseremini. I am beside myself. And I would point anyone browsing to the lovely Absence of Rage thread in General, because quite simply, WE CAN NOT PRAY WITH HERETICS. De fide.

    /facepalm You know, those involved Moslems might yet Convert and not have sin unto death, because they are not OF us, and they have their souls yet until they go the usual route jihadists take these days (self-immolation, self-IED, ѕυιcιdє-by-stupidity, whatnot). And there is yet, in the old missal, that Good Friday prayer for heathens and heretics to be Converted. (I doubt the NO uses such prayers, and has landed us RIGHT back in heresy-ville THANK YOU BUGNINI and Montini. —Yes, that is rage!)

    You see, the problem is French Catholic "bishops", "priests", and even the laity who didn't LEAVE, or DRAG these heretics out of their N.O. Mass by their signature HEAD RAGS OF HERESY. Because what possible excuse can any Catholic have to put aside nearly two thousand years of Our Lord and His Holy Apostles and Saints and Doctors and Councils and Papal Bulls and Miracles warning against praying with those OUTSIDE the Church, much less STAMPING UNDERFOOT THE BLOOD OF JESUS by corrupting Mass like this, dragging in the heathens for some evil "solidarity party"?!!!!! REALLY?!

    There are so many Holy Writings against the potential EVIL done by these French Catholics in allowing Moslems, who mock Our Lord openly, to come into Holy MASS for some heathen worldly "solidarity" purpose that has NOTHING to do with Our Lord's Holy Sacrifice — not even Bergoglio lets Bible-thumping Protestants in yet (if he does, please do not disabuse me of my ignorance), yet the French have thrown open the doors for those who don't even believe Our Lord is "Our Lord". (I'll give Protestants that much, at least: yes, they seem to believe in Our Lord, as they were Catholics centuries ago before egos got in the way, and I suppose some current ones are reverent at least, and I don't wholly mind the idea that Protestants simply don't have the fullness of the Faith. Fine: they are as Jєωs then. They get my prayers to Convert to the Faith quickly, while it is still available openly. Absolutely!)

    But this is serious business! These unsavory and apparently indifferent souls of the French Catholics involved in this tragedy (Moslems to Mass Day!), due to some very false and disgusting teaching that "it's okay" to "bring heretics to Mass" may literally have no possible Salvation. Seriously: read St. Paul, or St. Peter, in Holy Scripture! And Hebrews 6 and 10 are quite plain on the matter, as well. We simply ..can't do such evil! (And yes, I'm using "we" in the sense of all who name themselves Catholic and at least try to be obedient to Our One Holy Faith. We all sin; there are some sins we can't be united with, though, but I can't judge what those are. Having Heretics over for Socialism Hour at Mass is very disturbing, though. VERY.)

    Martyrs
    Do we not know how many MARTYRS there have been throughout time WITH WHOM we are in communion?! Those who suffered and died and are in Heaven praying with us and for us, and yet we act like sodden ninnies when ONE PRIEST got his head chopped off in a secular, fallen country, I suppose because it happened in France instead of the Middle East? Didn't one of the conciliar popes make holy martrys of hundreds (I'm remembering 500?) "Westerners who refused to denounce Our Lord" to those Moslems, and who were beheaded in desert heat by Moslems, sometime under ten years ago? Assuming the best of Fr. Hamel, don't we believe he is squared away! A Holy Martyr?! (I have no idea of the state of his soul; I'll pray for him equally as I would any Martyr for the Faith.)

    But, THIS ISN'T NEW! Moslems behead people all the time, even each other, and at an especially quick clip now that the West bombed them for little reason I can discern besides evil "one world" politics that have NOTHING to do with Our Lord. And while we pray for peace, are we to wet ourselves like this is "new information" and not LONG prophesied, and even much suffered over the centuries, and DENOUNCE OUR FAITH and throw down our crosses and scream like little girls to go beg ENEMIES OF OUR LORD to please come to Mass and take that over, too?!

    NO! We cannot! We MUST persevere! Evil was done in France; great evil. Sad stuff. Very bad. Others have suffered, as well. Moslems are sort of known for this. Have we dragged them to Mass before though? "In solidarity?"

    I'm no Saint, and certainly no theologian, but I'm aware of the basics at least: if an heretic teaches a false Gospel, or denies our Lord and Faith, they are not Catholic, and don't belong at Mass — for our sakes AND for theirs! I sincerely pray that no Catholic anywhere falls into the error of believing that Holy Mass is EVER an appropriate time to invite the enemies of Our Faith IN for whatever reason, most especially not to be "in solidarity" with an enemy of Christ. —Of course we do not have to spit at non-explosive Moslems, or turn our backs on them in everyday settings, as indeed our example might cause some Conversions, as Our Lord wills it. And (again, not sure of the rubrics) maybe it's not a terrible idea to say that Good Friday prayer for heretics and heathens more often, especially in these days. But we CANNOT condone bringing Formal Heretics to MASS. (Nor can we "go to Mosque" to do whatever they do in there.) Or we will be CUT OFF from the Church, and thrown to Hell!

    Poche:
    We do NOT need to be "in solidarity" with the Moslems, either. Friendly? Fine. Hope you wear some protection. But "in solidarity with"? Nope. Poche, try backing up and letting Our Lord do His work before you get people killed. Martrydom does sound good ...for myself if it's quick, but it's wrong and criminal even to purposefully lead a living explosive Moslem into a church and kill people — you WOULD go to Hell for it. Get your head out of the Koran and know THERE IS NOTHING GOOD IS ISLAM. NOT A THING. IT IS EVIL. DE FIDE Stop trolling. You know better.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 01, 2016, 06:06:50 AM »
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  • If a Saracen wants to convert, he can contact a priest. As long as he does not want to convert, he has to stay out of Christian temples. Why would Saracens attend Mass when they do not believe in the Holy Sacrifice of Christ? Their heathen eyes do not merit to see the Sacred Mysteries of the Altar. Furthermore, they constitute a security threat to Church and State by their allegiance to Muhammed. Instead of letting them into Catholic churches, civil authorities should be heading a reconquista against the foreign occupation.

    I do not know how many Mahometans you have there in America. Plenty of them here. Let me tell you that Islam does with a man what rabies does to dogs. It is a parasitical epidemic that eats away at vestiges of culture and humanity in men. Why do you think people are fleeing the cities here? Because the Turks, Moors and Saracens taking over are so friendly and peace-loving? Your journalists do not report even half of what is going on here.

    If Erdogan gives but one signal on television, all his Turks in Belgium and Germany (and there are lots of them in these countries) will rise in revolt in an attempt to seize the reins of government. They love him, they venerate him, and they are more than willing to fight his wars on European earth. Mahometans are heavily armed; stacks of heavy weaponry are continuously found in mosques. This is part of their strategy; they disguise their military arsenals as islamic houses of prayer.

    Sinister hordes, and a horn of war
    disturb the peace of midnight hour
    that bathes in moonlight dim, and stars
    illuminate the bloodstained beards, emerging from afar.

    Drums of rage roar, blast the gate
    of the goldenhaired with seething hate;
    they climb the walls, and ancient halls
    prostrate to the bloodsoaked Crescent; another citadel falls.


    But God will have mercy on the lands of Aenea, and France, the new Judah, will crush the infidels when she ascends from the tomb of her apostasy.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 01, 2016, 08:01:08 AM »
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  • If a person was blown up by a ѕυιcιdє bomber in a novus ordo temple, he or she would go straight to hell for committing the sin of apostasy.

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    « Reply #14 on: August 01, 2016, 09:11:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Even catechums weren't allowed to stay for the whole Mass.

    That was true in ancient days. But that is no longer true. Catechumens are encouraged to attend mass regularly.  


    Catechumens are learning the faith to become Catholics
    These muslims aren't
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]