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Re: Francis to Strike the Death Blow
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2022, 12:06:23 PM »
“There are, for example, some religious who carry out their apostolate as catechists... but this ministry is not planned for them. Even more important: it is also not intended for seminarians, who are preparing for the priesthood. They receive the acolyte, the readership, and then the diaconate, but this ministry of catechist is not intended for them: it is only for the baptized in general. For the Church it is a sign of the importance of the laity announcing the Gospel and forming young people.”

It is no longer for the priest to exercise one of the three functions conferred upon him by ordination (ie., the duty time teach, govern, and sanctify).

The first of these is now to be take from him, and delegated to the laity.

This will represent a formal abdication.

Re: Francis to Strike the Death Blow
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2022, 12:25:30 PM »
“Soon it will be 60 years of “Sacrosanctum Concilium”. This Council docuмent on the liturgy wanted the Paschal mystery to become the center of Christian life. How is this approach considered today?

Here we go again, with the interviewer wanting the Cardinal to drive home this novel Judaic notion of the Mass as mystery...

“– Sixty years is a short time in the history of the Church. After Trent, there was a great period in which there were circuмstances of difficulty for the whole Church to receive the reform -a reform is something serious-; but also now we have many difficulties.”

Every time this claim is made, the nature of the post-Tridentine difficulties which hindered that Council’s implementation is conveniently omitted:

Many of the European countries were in revolt against the Church; the difficulties encountered in implementing the Council’s decrees were therefore political, and stemmed from the active suppression and persecution of the Church and its apostolate (unlike the difficulties experienced because of the Second Vatican Council, which threw the Church into chaos because of its rupture with Tradition).

“An important difficulty in the Church is the growth of individualism. People raise their desires as individual beings, but not as a community. Now, the Church is precisely a community, and celebrates all the sacraments in a communal sense; among them, also the mass, because it is not planned to be celebrated without the presence of another person, and normally the faithful congregate in large numbers.“

Note here the implicitly heterodox conception (a la the GIRM’s ambiguous definition of the Mass) of what the Mass is:

If the Mass is primarily a propitiatory sacrifice, the absence or presence of the faithful is irrelevant, but if the Mass is conceived primarily community action, then the presence of the faithful is implicit a priori.

“At this time liberalism, individualism that exist in this society are a challenge for the Church. It is easy to think of my personal preference, of a specific type of liturgy, of a particular expression of the celebration, of this priest rather than this other priest; but this individualism is not of the character of the Church. And we must consider the effects of these influences on the spiritual life of the Church, as is clearly underlined in "Sacrosanctum Concilium", but also in "Lumen Gentium".”


Translation: Traditionalism is incompatible with Vatican II (which was already admitted by the Cardinal’s first quote above).


Re: Francis to Strike the Death Blow
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2022, 12:31:14 PM »
“Has the pandemic reinforced the trend towards individualism?

– I think that this trend will not last forever, because we know that the need to relate to God and others is within us, and it is not something that we have the possibility of moving away indefinitely, through television or the internet. We need to be present at the celebration, since the sacraments refer to the personal relationship with Christ, and are not a program or a movie. Online or on TV we follow something for a moment, but we are not there; we can see everything, but we are not present, and this is the most important thing: the presence of the people.


Rather breathtaking, isn’t it?  Lay participation is the “most important thing” about Mass attendance.  The bolder text above is a bit ambiguous, if analyzed univocally, but contextualized with the Cardinal’s other statements in the interview, this is his clear meaning, and it almost implies that man’s importance has displaced Christ’s as the raison d’etre, which is sheer Masonry.

Re: Francis to Strike the Death Blow
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2022, 12:46:52 PM »
“Let me mention two particular aspects of "Sacrosancutm Concilium". The first is liturgical inculturation.

– It is that there are some cultures, in certain societies outside Europe, especially in mission countries, in which the Roman rite can be enriched by the genius of each place, which is not always easy.

On this subject, I have said many times to the bishops that we have spent the last fifty years preparing the translation of the liturgical texts; and now we have to move on to the second phase, which is already foreseen by "Sacrosanctum Concilium", and is the inculturation or adaptation of the liturgy to other different cultures, maintaining unity. I think that this work should be started at this time. But I want to specify that today there is only one liturgical “use”, not a “rite”, and it is in Zaire, in Africa.”

Not sure what the Cardinal is trying to accomplish, by pretending the scandalous inculturation of the “work of human hands” rite of Paul VI has yet to commence.  We’ve been treated with decades of performances demanding reparation, and outrages which have only served to bring chastisement upon ourselves: From nude female lector’s in New Guinnea, to the Abominations of Assisi. 

“It is important to understand what it means that Jesus shared our nature, and in a historical moment. We have to consider the importance of the Incarnation and, if we may say so, of the action of grace that is embodied in other cultures, with various expressions that are completely different from what we have seen and appreciated in Europe for so many years.“

The Cardinal evinces no love or knowledge of what the Incarnation meant for mankind, but instead appears to demote and profane it, by suggesting that God elevated even that portion of mankind which rejects or remains ignorant of Him, such that even cultures -not souls- embody grace. 

Here, we can see the intention is not to modestly inculturate in order to convert (as the great Jesuits of North and South America did), but rather to import paganism as paganism, while calling it Catholicism (or worse still, to pretend paganism is simply another way of worshipping the same Catholic God).



Re: Francis to Strike the Death Blow
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2022, 12:55:32 PM »
“The second aspect is beauty, particularly in sacred architecture. The Pope says “the Church evangelizes and evangelizes herself with the beauty of the liturgy” (“Evangelii Gaudium”, 24).

– Beauty is a part of God's nature, and a part of human existence. It is very important for man, because it attracts him: we are attracted by beauty. And it speaks to us not only in a unique way, but also individually.

This aspect of the liturgy, also in relation to the temples, was foreseen by the docuмents issued as soon as the "Sacrosanctum Concilium" was approved and also supported by the bishops participating in the Council. These texts pointed out what must be taken into account in the configuration of the temple in a way that helps the celebration, and the meaning and importance of the various elements. I am thinking, for example, of the altar, which means the Body of Christ; for the Orthodox it is the tomb, from where the resurrection belongs to the celebration of the Eucharist. Or in the importance of the ambo, by itself and in relation to the altar. In our celebrations we have two “tables”: the Holy Scripture and the Holy Eucharist; but without Sacred Scripture we do not do the Eucharist. The two are in balance and both are the same thing. The Word leads to the Eucharist and this is deepened and understood with the Word.“


Gnostic gibberish.  It is sufficient to note the Cardinal distinguishes between the Orthodox, who have altars (ie., appropriate for a sacrifice), but Catholics have tables (ie., appropriate for a meal).  

All who are reading the startling comments of the Cardinal are likely having intrusive thoughts pertaining to the validity of intention and form in the new sacraments, wondering like Archbishop Lefebvre did, whether men who’s thoughts are so far from Catholic orthodoxy are indeed capable of “doing what the Church does” or what the motives of such men in changing the sacramental formulae might have been (and the effects thereof).