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Offline Miseremini

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Francis against Trump
« on: February 09, 2020, 03:30:45 PM »
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  • Very interesting video.
    Did the drafters of the constitution really mean freedom of religion?


    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4765-donald-trump-vatican-s-public-enemy-no-1
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: Francis against Trump
    « Reply #1 on: February 09, 2020, 11:48:48 PM »
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  • Here is the letter written by the Superioress of the Ursaline sisters from New Orleans. 
      Emboldened by the favorable mention you have been pleased to make of their order, the Nuns of St Ursula at New Orleans take the liberty of addressing you on a subject highly interesting to their institution! they believe that without any direct application, the treaty of Cession, and the sence of Justice which marks the character of the United States, would have secured to them the property they now possess, but considering a sacred deposit, they would fail in a duty they deem essential were they to ommit requesting, that it may be formally confirmed to them & their successors, & that you may be pleased to communicate this request to the Congress of the United States in such a manner as you may deem proper 
    Our request is dictated by no wish of personal gratification or private agrandisement. secluded from the world, its luxuries and vanities, wealth, & the injoyments it brings would to them have no attraction  devoted to religious duties, temporal advantages are not the objects of their pursuits, but bound by a solemn obligation to employ their revenue in charitable uses, & their time in the education of youth, they cannot but be anxious to know that the property which is to enable them to fulfil these duties will be secured to them — it is not therefore their own cause but that of the Public which they plead — it is the cause of the Orphan, of the helpless child of Want, of the many who may be snatched from the paths of vice & infamy under their guidance. & be trained up in the habits of virtue & religion to be happy & useful, — of society which will be spared the burthen of the indigent & the depredations of vice — of their country itself which cannot but acquire honor in fostering & protecting such beneficent purposes.
    These considerations, they know Sir, will have weight with you — they anticipate your support, because they are conscious deserve it, — and they conclude with their ardent prayers for your personal happiness & the prosperity of the Country whose affairs you direct. We have the honor to be with the highest respect

    http://www2.latech.edu/~bmagee/louisiana_anthology/texts/jefferson/jefferson--letter_to_ursulines.html


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    Re: Francis against Trump
    « Reply #2 on: February 09, 2020, 11:52:49 PM »
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  • This is Thomas Jefferson's response;

    To the Soeur Therese de St.  Xavier farjon Superior, and the Nuns of the order of St.  Ursula at New Orleans
    I have recieved, holy sisters, the letter you have written me wherein you express anxiety for the property vested in your institution by the former governments of Louisiana. the principles of the constitution and government of the United states are a sure guarantee to you that it will be preserved to you sacred and inviolate, and that your institution will be permitted to govern itself according to it’s own voluntary rules, without interference from the civil authority. whatever diversity of shade may appear in the religious opinions of our fellow citizens, the charitable objects of your institution cannot be indifferent to any; and it’s furtherance of the wholesome purposes of society, by training up it’s younger members in the way they should go, cannot fail to ensure it the patronage of the government it is under. be assured it will meet all the protection which my office can give it.
    I salute you, holy sisters, with friendship & respect.

    Th Jefferson


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    Re: Francis against Trump
    « Reply #3 on: February 10, 2020, 12:38:14 AM »
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  • https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4765-donald-trump-vatican-s-public-enemy-no-1
    That Mr. Sachs is awful. He's also apparently never heard of Brexit... either that or he's giving all of the credit for that success to Donald Trump.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    Re: Francis against Trump
    « Reply #4 on: February 11, 2020, 04:18:03 AM »
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  • Very interesting video.
    Did the drafters of the constitution really mean freedom of religion?

    I think you will appreciate this, Miseremini.

    From
    http://rosarytotheinterior.com/the-world-cometh-democracy-and-the-spirit-of-the-antichrist/


    Some of the “Fathers” stand out not only as anti-Catholic, but also as universally anti-Christian. We must remember that most of them, being products of the Enlightenment, were Deists. They might have nominally believed in a creator God, but they emphatically did not believe in His direct concern or intervention in human affairs. This means, of course, that they vehemently rejected the Incarnation and the Divinity of Christ. Thomas Jefferson gives profound witness to this rejection in his book called The Jefferson Bible. In this work, he had the audacity to edit the entirety of the Gospels, eliminating all reference to Christ’s Divinity, and also expurgating all of His miracles, including His Resurrection. Jefferson, despite recent revelations regarding his moral integrity, has been almost universally venerated as a man of great wisdom and moral integrity. I would ask the reader to obtain a copy of this book, examine its contents, and then question the integrity of a man who would do this to any other man’s work, not to mention that this is the Work of God. Many of the Deists, including Jefferson, claimed to honour Christ as a great moral teacher, while at the same time rejecting all claims to His Divinity. Jefferson detested St. Paul and viewed him as the major villain in what he considered as the idolatrous divinization of the man, Jesus.


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    It would, of course, be unfair to say that all of the founding fathers were as vehemently or fanatically anti-Christian as were Jefferson and Paine. It would be quite accurate to conclude, howev­er, that the vast majority were not Christian, and were vehemently anti-Catholic. In other words, those who claim that the solution to the present problems of our country is a return to the Christian roots of our founding fathers and the Constitution are somewhat like the man who shoots himself in the foot, and then does it again because it hurt the first time, and he now wants to do it right. He needs desperately to realize that there was no right in the thing from the beginning. In the case under consideration, he needs to admit that this was not a Christian country to begin with, and we are not in need of re-establishment but of primary 

    Nor do we find integrity in regard to Catholic doctrine concerning the Kingship of Christ when we turn to those who might be viewed as the “Fathers” of American Catholicism.

    Every bishop in this country, since the Constitution’s ratification, should have known that from that moment onward this nation would be in an accelerating state of falling away from God; and that this in turn would produce that inevitable decay in the spirituality and psychology of its citizenry which would finally descend to those barbarities which seem to be the end point of all such historical degenerations of nations – the destruction of the family, sɛҳuąƖ license, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, and the sacrifice of one’s own children. The corollary of this understanding, of course, is that such a state of social emergency should have produced a militancy in our bishops, all priests, and the laity which fervently pursued the conversion of every soul in this country to Christ and to His Catholic Church.

    In fact, just the opposite happened.

    And so on...
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: Francis against Trump
    « Reply #5 on: February 11, 2020, 10:59:11 AM »
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  • thanks Nadir,  did the drafters really mean freedom of religion or intend freedom from religion? ::)
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Francis against Trump
    « Reply #6 on: February 11, 2020, 07:10:47 PM »
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  • thanks Nadir,  did the drafters really mean freedom of religion or intend freedom from religion? ::)
    I believe that they amount to the same thing after they come out of the wash. Freedom of religion results in freedom from religion, as well as freedom to practice whatever aberration may suit you.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.