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Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2023, 07:40:28 PM »
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  • Great topic!
    Interesting points, citing Benedict XIV, in Fr. Woywod's article:

    "...,it is certain that Confirmation given by a priest in virtue of delegation by a bishop is null and void."

    "it is the consent of the Supreme Authority, tacit or explicit, that gives priests power to confirm."


    https://archive.org/details/sim_homiletic-pastoral-review_1938-05_38_8/page/846/mode/1up



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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #46 on: April 20, 2023, 08:01:54 PM »
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  • Well, I’d say that between Emile and frankielogue’s posts, it’s nearly certain Fr. Arrizaga does not confirm validly.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #47 on: April 20, 2023, 09:54:52 PM »
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  • Well, I’d say that between Emile and frankielogue’s posts, it’s nearly certain Fr. Arrizaga does not confirm validly.

    Absolute garbage.  Then you do not receive valid absolution from Resistance priests.  Period.

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #48 on: April 20, 2023, 10:01:40 PM »
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  • Great topic!
    Interesting points, citing Benedict XIV, in Fr. Woywod's article:

    "...,it is certain that Confirmation given by a priest in virtue of delegation by a bishop is null and void."

    "it is the consent of the Supreme Authority, tacit or explicit, that gives priests power to confirm."


    https://archive.org/details/sim_homiletic-pastoral-review_1938-05_38_8/page/846/mode/1up

    This has absolutely nothing to do with the circuмstances of today's Crisis.  This is a Canonical regulation, and the Canonical regulations state JUST AS CLEARLY (Canon 782) that a priest who lacks jurisdiction does not VALIDLY absolve from sins.  Period.

    If priests validly absolve due to the Church supplying jurisdiction during the middle of the Crisis, then he also can validly confirm.  Whether this permission, jurisdiction, delegation comes from the Pope or from the Bishop (who ultimately also gets his authority from the pope) is absolutely irreelvant.

    Benedict XIV was talking about the current state of the Church and of law.  There's no DIVINE LAW principle that would prevent any Pope from reversing this, and the Pope permitted it to continue in the Eastern Churches, and it's clear as Father states that the priests have the power of Order to validly confirm.  Whether in NORMAL circuмstances of the Church it's necessary to receive jurisdiction to validly absolve sins (from the Bishop) or jurisdiction and delegation from Rome is utterly irrelevant in the face of the the principles that justifies both, the Crisis in the Church and the irregular / dysfunctional state of any hierarchy that remain.

    Either both are valid (absolutions and Confirmations) or both are invalid. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #49 on: April 20, 2023, 10:03:43 PM »
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  • I think that everything from Prümmer and Hugon definitively close the book on this conversation.

    No they don't.  What part of the fact that they were writing about normal times in the Church do people here not get.  Those same principles prevent a preist from validly absolving.  It's human / Church law and not Divine Law.  If absolutions are valid, so are Confirmations.  If confirmations are invalid, so are absolutions (except for by those who have jurisdiction, such as SSPX priests ... if you believe that Jorge is the pope).

    Similarly, if you believe Jorge is pope and has provided SSPX jurisdiction to hear Confessions, and you have access to an SSPX priest, you do not validly receive absolution from Resistance priests or other priests who are not members of SSPX.


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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #50 on: April 21, 2023, 05:11:11 AM »
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  • Well, I’d say that between Emile and frankielogue’s posts, it’s nearly certain Fr. Arrizaga does not confirm validly.
    Ridiculous.

    After the council V2, when all 2000+ bishops went crazy NO, exactly who do you think administered valid confirmations to faithful Catholics for the next 25-30 years if not trad priests? 

    In your zeal to adhere to the letter of the law, you're ignoring the spirit of the law.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #51 on: April 21, 2023, 05:38:55 AM »
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  • Absolute garbage.  Then you do not receive valid absolution from Resistance priests.  Period.

    Nonsense.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #52 on: April 21, 2023, 06:17:14 AM »
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  • Nonsense.
    It is indeed nonsense. I have already explained the distinction between confirmation and the sacrament of penance. There remains nothing more to be said on this topic.


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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #53 on: April 21, 2023, 08:54:49 AM »
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  • Quote
    At this point in the conversation, it seems the delegation is therefore essential to validity.
    Except in a crisis situation, when there is no one with jurisdiction to actually delegate.  You can't delegate unless you have jurisdiction.  No one in Trad land has jurisdiction, so the delegation "requirement" is irrelevant.

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    If priests validly absolve due to the Church supplying jurisdiction during the middle of the Crisis, then he also can validly confirm.  Whether this permission, jurisdiction, delegation comes from the Pope or from the Bishop (who ultimately also gets his authority from the pope) is absolutely irrelvant.
    Yes, it seems so.

    The whole reason Fr Wathen joined the OSJ (which, in hindsight, was an error) was to obtain their direct-from-the-papacy delegation of powers that the Order had been given for centuries, since they were a military/missionary Order.  Thus, Father, being a student of canon law and having a legal mind, he knew he needed jurisdiction (or wanted to attempt to get it the legal way) without relying on "supplied".  Thus, the OSJ gave him the authority to hear confessions, say mass, and provide confirmations.

    The point is, he knew how necessary jurisdiction was.  And especially in the years after the V2 crisis, when He was trying to preach the truth to folks and get them out of the new mass, to save their souls, he wanted a legal leg to stand on, if possible.

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #54 on: April 21, 2023, 12:07:29 PM »
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  • The distinction between necessity supplying jurisdiction for valid confessions, but not supplying it in the matter of priestly confirmations seems to be this:

    According to Pohle-Preuss, not even necessity can validate a priestly confirmation without the delegation of the pope, for the reason which follows:

    “In extraordinary cases simple priests can administer Confirmation, but only with special powers granted by the Pope. This Proposition may be technically qualified as "sententia certa.
    Proof. Hugh of St. Victor, Durandus, and other Scholastic theologians deny the right of the Supreme Pontiff to grant the special power referred to; but there is now no longer any reason to doubt it. Thomists, Scotists, Bellarmine, Suarez and De Lugo, all regard Confirmation administered by simple priests with papal autority as valid. Our thesis cannot be demonstrated directly from Sacred Scripture and we therefore have to rely on Tradition... [here follows a proof from the Eastern Tradition]...
    b) In the Latin Church Confirmation, as a rule, has always been administered by bishops, and only in exceptional cases by priests.
    This practice, which is far more in conformity with the dogmatic teaching defined at Trent, gained the upper hand in the West afther the thirteenth centutry, when Baptism and Confirmation gradually became separated by constantly lengthening intervals of time. The administration of Confirmation by priests was and is comparatively rare, but cases have occurred in every century since the time of Gregory the Great, though always with express papal authorization and with chrism consecrated by bishops. Since the Council of Trent the Holy see has at various times granted the right to administer Confirmation to Jesuit missionaries, to the Custodian of the Holy Sepulchre at Jerusalem, the Provost of St. Hedwig's Church in Berlin and other priests.
    c) It is not easy to justify this exceptional practice in view of the fact that the validity of Confirmation has nothing to do with the power of jurisdiction, but depends entirely on the character of ordination.
    A deacon, for instance, could not validly administer this sacrament even with papal permission, whilst, on the other hand, a heretical, schismatic, suspended or excommunicated bishop can do so even against the express command of the Pope. How, then, is it possible for a simple priest to confirm validly, if the papal permit does not supply the lack of episcopal consecration?
    Various attempts have been made to overcome this difficulty.
    Some theologians have assumed that the papal delegation is not a mere extrinsic permission but implies an intrinsic perfectioning of the character of ordination by which the delegated priest receives the episcopal character. Others hold with Suarez that the papal authorization merely gives to the delegated priest a higher extrinsic dignity which, together with his sacredotal character, suffices to enable him to administer the Sacrament validly. Both hypotheses are unsatisfactory. A simpler and more effective solution is that devised by Gregory of Valentia. It was the will of Christ, he says, that both bishops and priests should be empowered to administer Confirmation, the former as ordinary ministers of the sacrament by virtue of the episcopal consecration the latter as its extraordinary ministers by virtue of the priesthood, leaving it to the pope to determine the manner of exercising this latent power."

    Pohle, Joseph, Ph.D., D.D.. The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise. Trans. Preuss. 1917. Herder: St. Louis. Pp. 310-13

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #55 on: April 21, 2023, 12:32:44 PM »
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  • Another quote sent to me by Canon Smith:

    “On the other hand the Church also teaches that, as extraordinary minister, the priest can confer this sacrament [confirmation]. This is shown by several undoubted facts, in particular by a number of past and present instances of priests being empowered by the Holy See to confirm; by the present discipline of the Church which, besides communicating this power to certain priests by special indult, allows it ipso jure to certain dignitaries enumerated in the Code of canon law; and by the more significant fact that the Church recognises, subject to some exceptions, the validity of the confirmation administered by priests of the Easter communities, whether uniate or dissident. Clearly, then, by indult, delegation, or dispensation of the Holy See (he terms seem in this matter to be used indiscriminately in ecclesiastical docuмents) a priest becomes able to confirm validly. This fact gives rise to a theological problem which cannot be fully discussed here. It is asked whether the inability of a priest to confirm validly without the commission of the Holy See is due to a lack of he power of order or to a lack of jurisdiction. Authors differ on this question, described by Pope Benedict XIV as one of "great difficulty and complexity." We must be content to state briefly an answer, given by Billot, which appears to meet the difficulty in a satisfactory way. According to this theologian the character of the priesthood includes the power to confirm; but by divine ordinance the valid exercise of that power is made conditional upon a commission received from the Head of the Church. Thus the fact that the Church acknowledges as valid the confirmation administered by priests in the East does not make them ordinary ministers of the sacrament; it implies only a tacit commission formerly granted to them by the Holy See."

    Canon Smith, G. D.D., Ph.D..  The Teaching of the Catholic Church Vol II. 1950. MacMillan co: New York. Pp 832-833
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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #56 on: April 21, 2023, 12:39:54 PM »
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  • More quotes from my friend (with his own comments in black):

    “By a general indult of the Holy See the faculty of conferring the Sacrament of Confirmation is granted to the following priests and to these alone, as extraordinary ministers (Canon 782/2), only in the cases and under the conditions herein enumerated:
    (a) pastors entrusted with a proper territory, thereby excluding pastors of persons or families, unless they also have their own territory, at least cuмulatively;
    (b)the vicars mentioned in Canon 471 and administrative vicars;
    (c ) priests to whom is committed, exclusively and permanently, within a certain territory and with a fixed church, the complete care of souls with all pastoral rights and duties.
    2. The aforesaid ministers can themselves personally confer Confirmation validly and lawfulyy upon the faithful staying in their territory, not excepting persons residing in places withdrawn from parochial jurisdiction-- not excluding, therefore, seminaries, hospices, houses for the sick and other institutions of a similar nature even belonging to Religious, no matter how exempt (cf.r Canon 792)-- provided that these persons are in real danger of death by reason of serious illness, because of which hey may be considered as likely to die. If the aforesaid ministers exceed the limits of this mandate, let them clearly realize that they act in vain and administer no Sacrament, and that the statute of canon 2365 applies also to this case.
    Woywood, Stanislaus, O.F.M., LL.B.. A practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law Vol II.Rev. Smith. 1957. Wagner: New York. Appendix X, p 840
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    I must pause and make a few observations. Considering that the authors so far have expressed the necessity of a papal indult (or some other papal approval) in order for simple priests to confer the sacrament, I believe the greatest regard should be given to this indult and who exactly it is given to, as well as what the results are if the sacrament is conferred outside the limits of this indult.
    This indult has an invalidating factor-- it speaks not merely of lawfulness, but of validity. Now, not presuming on my own abilities to interpret the law, however clear it may seem, I have consulted another canonist who explores whether or not there is some leeway for priests who perform the duties of those who are mentioned in the indult, but are not actually under the category of those to whom the indult is given. Here follows the canonist Conway exploring this very issue. These quotes are rather long:
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    [Question:] Some clarification of the following point in connection with the recent decree on Confirmation would be much appreciated. The decree says that the new confirming power is enjoyed by all priests who are in exclusive charge of a distinct district with a church of its own and who are appointed to this charge in a stable manner. What I wish to know is whether a curate who is in charge of a part of a parish, would qualify for the power under this paragraph? In this parish I have been appointed as curate and the appointment is is likely to last for a number of years. I have charge of clearly- demarcated part of a parish which has a church of its own, distinct from the main parochial church. This church has its own baptismal font; the Blessed Sacrament is reserved in it. I am in residence beside it and for the people living in this district this is the church which they attend for all religious ceremonies and I exercise all parochial functions in their regard (the parish priest has given me full faculties for marriages). Of course I do not say a separate missa pro populo. Have I the new confirming power within the territorial limits of my district? -- Curate.
    [Answer:] The answer to 'Curate's' enquiry is that he has not the new powers of administering confirmation. The paragraph in the new decree to which he refers contemplates an entirely different situation to the familiar phenomenon of a curate who is left in charge of part of a parish by the parish priest.
    Perhaps the easiest way to underline the differences between the two positions is to point out that the paragraph in the decree deals only with priests who have the exclusivecare of souls in a particular territory. Now 'Curate'-- and others in the same position-- have not exclusive power. It may be that de facto the parish priest does not interfere in the care of souls in the district in any way; but the fact remains that he has the right to do so if he chooses, that is is parish priest for the entire territory of the parish, including the district of which the curate has charge, and that the authority of the curate is entirely subordinate to that of the parish priest-- and, in fact, is partly delegated by him. In no sense, therefore, can the curate be said to have the exclusive care of souls in his district. Whatever his position de facto, de iure he is not independent.
    The situation which the paragraph contemplates is a piece of territory in a diocese which does not belong to any parish whatsoever, but which has a church of its own with a duly appointed priest, with all the rights and duties of a parish priest. Many territorial units in England and Wales, which had not been canonically erected as parishes, were formerly of this kind. the priest in charge, or 'rector,' was, however, immediately subject to the bishop of the diocese-- his authority was not subordinate to that of a parish priest for the simple reason that his territory did not form part of any parish. He had all the rights and duties of a parish priest including, as was decided in a case which came before the Sacred Congregation of the Council in 1932, the obligation of the Missa pro populo.  Where such a situation still obtains, that is, where the priest in question is parish priest in all but name, the new power of administering confirmation will be enjoyed by the priest in charge.

    [question] After the death of the parish priest and until the next parish priest is appointed, may the curate in charge of the parish confirm dying children? May the bishop empower him to do so? --P.P.
    [Answer] The answer to this question is that the priest who has been given charge of a vacant parish by the local ordinary has the power to administer confirmation in danger of death, from the decree Spiritus Sancti Munera.
    To appreciate the precise legal position on this point it is necessary to recall the dispositions of the Code for the charge of a parish during an interregnum. The Code says that 'an acting parish priest', called the vicarious oeconomus, should be appointed as soon as possible by the local ordinary. Pending the appointment of this vicarious oeconomus,however, the charge of the parish devolves, in the virtue of canon 472, on the senior curate or on the nearest parish priest. Now, the important point is that it is only the vicarious oeconomus appointed by the local Ordinary, who has the power of confirming-- the priest who has charge of the parish, in virtue of canon 472, pending the appointment of vicarious oeconomus has notthe power. It may seem strange that it should be so, but there is little room for doubt on this point; the decree speaks only of the vicarious oeconomus and the Code makes it quite clear that the senior curate, who gets his power from canon 472 immediately the parish priest dies, is not a vicarious oeconomus. The commentators on the decree generally agree that unless and until the is appointed vicarious oeconomus he has not the power of confirming. Of course, it is very often the senior curate who is appointed vicarious oeconomus so that he will normally have charge of the parish for the complete interregnum, first from canon 472 and then in virtue of his appointment as vicarious oeconomus by the local Ordinary. But it is only after he has been appointed to this office that he has the power of confirming.
    Conway, William. D.D., D.C.L.. Problems in Canon Law: Classified Replies to Practical Questions.  1956. Brown and Nolan Ltd.: Dublin. Pp 152-54
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    Here also is the canonist Woywood again, who re-emphasizes the fact that the relevant faculty here is that of order (rather than jurisdiction) and Woywood tells us that the Code does not even allow an Ordinary to delegate confirmation to a priest without first receiving faculties from the Holy See in order to do so:
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    "The extraordinary minister [of confirmation] is a priest who, either by the common law or by special indult of the Apostolic See, has received the faculty to confirm. The following have this faculty by law: Cardinals (Canon 239/1.23), abbots and prelates nullius, vicars and prefects Apostolic. With the exception of the Cardinals, these clergy cannot validly make use of the faculty except within the limits of their respective territory, and during their term of office only.
    [...]
    Persons who have by law the power to confirm cannot delegate that power to a priest, for as we saw above, the Code does not grant bishops the faculty to delegate a priest to give Confirmation, and besides there is no question here of delegating jurisdiction but rather a power of orders. No power of orders delegated to a person or annexed to an office can be committed to another, unless this is expressly permitted by law or by indult (Canon 210). When necessary, the Holy See grants bishops and others (vicars and prefects Apostolic) the faculty to delegate a priest for the conferring of Confirmation (emphasis added)."
    Woywood, Stanislaus, O.F.M., LL.B..  A practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law Vol I.Rev. Smith. 1957. Wagner: New York. Pp. 406-07
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    Summarily, if I may offer what I've taken away from these authorities:
    (a) The issue at hand is of order rather than jurisdiction
    (b) Priests have a latent power to confirm (this is controversial-- that they can confirm is known certainly, how exactly is a matter of controversy but this seems the best explanation)
    (c) This latent power can only be "activated" by the Holy See (whether by common law, indult, delegation, etc.)
    (d) Considering that the issue is one of orderrather than jurisdiction, and that this particular constituent of order (the power to confirm) can only be exercised validly by express approval from the Holy See, one could not invoke epikeiaor intrinsic cessation to justify or validate the confirmations of those not included in the indult Spiritus Sancti Murena.
    (e) Even if there were somehow a way to say that the indult covers priests in your situation, Fr. Xxxc (and I think it is quite clear that it does not, as your missionary zeal notwithstanding, you are not a parish priest or a priest given a particular territory with a particular Church), it would only apply to those in danger of death; and not merely in danger of death according to canon 882, but a very specific danger of death: that is, a serious injury or illness from which death is likely to occur.
    (f) Though none of the sources I've quoted say this, when I was doing the research I came across on many occasions the fact that confirmation is not necessary in the same way baptism and confession are. As a result, the strict laws regarding the ministration of Confirmation aren't nearly as flexible and nuanced as they are for those other two sacraments, and whatever "flexibility" there is we find in the express laws and indults from the Holy See, which again only apply to those priests and those instances the indult specifies.
    In a sentence, I find that this research reveals quite clearly that any Confirmations attempted by yourself or other priests in your situation (or those similar) would be doubtfully valid, likely invalid. I was compelled to contact you with this information so that you could be aware of the great difficulties posed by such actions, and I hope that after having read these authorities you have come to the same conclusion as I.
    We will continue to keep you in our prayers, as well as all those Catholics across the world who do not have ready access to the sacraments.



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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #57 on: April 21, 2023, 12:56:02 PM »
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  • Saint Thomas addresses this issue to some degree in his Summa:

    Article 11. Whether only a bishop can confer this sacrament?

    Objection 1. It seems that not only a bishop can confer this sacrament. For Gregory (Regist. iv), writing to Bishop Januarius, says: "We hear that some were scandalized because we forbade priests to anoint with chrism those who have been baptized. Yet in doing this we followed the ancient custom of our Church: but if this trouble some so very much we permit priests, where no bishop is to be had, to anoint the baptized on the forehead with chrism." But that which is essential to the sacraments should not be changed for the purpose of avoiding scandal. Therefore it seems that it is not essential to this sacrament that it be conferred by a bishop.

    Objection 2. Further, the sacrament of Baptism seems to be more efficacious than the sacrament of Confirmation: since it bestows full remission of sins, both as to guilt and as to punishment, whereas this sacrament does not. But a simple priest, in virtue of his office, can give the sacrament of Baptism: and in a case of necessity anyone, even without orders, can baptize. Therefore it is not essential to this sacrament that it be conferred by a bishop.

    Objection 3. Further, the top of the head, where according to medical men the reason is situated (i.e. the "particular reason," which is called the "cogitative faculty"), is more noble than the forehead, which is the site of the imagination. But a simple priest can anoint the baptized with chrism on the top of the head. Therefore much more can he anoint them with chrism on the forehead, which belongs to this sacrament

    On the contrary, Pope Eusebius (Ep. iii ad Ep. Tusc.) says: "The sacrament of the imposition of the hand should be held in great veneration, and can be given by none but the high priests. Nor is it related or known to have been conferred in apostolic times by others than the apostles themselves; nor can it ever be either licitly or validly performed by others than those who stand in their place. And if anyone presume to do otherwise, it must be considered null and void; nor will such a thing ever be counted among the sacraments of the Church." Therefore it is essential to this sacrament, which is called "the sacrament of the imposition of the hand," that it be given by a bishop.

    I answer that, In every work the final completion is reserved to the supreme act or power; thus the preparation of the matter belongs to the lower craftsmen, the higher gives the form, but the highest of all is he to whom pertains the use, which is the end of things made by art; thus also the letter which is written by the clerk, is signed by his employer. Now the faithful of Christ are a Divine work, according to 1 Corinthians 3:9: "You are God's building"; and they are also "an epistle," as it were, "written with the Spirit of God," according to 2 Corinthians 3:2-3. And this sacrament of Confirmation is, as it were, the final completion of the sacrament of Baptism; in the sense that by Baptism man is built up into a spiritual dwelling, and is written like a spiritual letter; whereas by the sacrament of Confirmation, like a house already built, he is consecrated as a temple of the Holy Ghost, and as a letter already written, is signed with the sign of the cross. Therefore the conferring of this sacrament is reserved to bishops, who possess supreme power in the Church: just as in the primitive Church, the fulness of the Holy Ghost was given by the apostles, in whose place the bishops stand (Acts 8). Hence Pope Urban I says: "All the faithful should. after Baptism, receive the Holy Ghost by the imposition of the bishop's hand, that they may become perfect Christians."

    Reply to Objection 1. The Pope has the plenitude of power in the Church, in virtue of which he can commit to certain lower orders things that belong to the higher orders: thus he allows priests to confer minor orders, which belong to the episcopal power. And in virtue of this fulness of power the Pope, Blessed Gregory, allowed simple priests to confer this sacrament, so long as the scandal was ended.

    Reply to Objection 2. The sacrament of Baptism is more efficacious than this sacrament as to the removal of evil, since it is a spiritual birth, that consists in change from non-being to being. But this sacrament is more efficacious for progress in good; since it is a spiritual growth from imperfect being to perfect being. And hence this sacrament is committed to a more worthy minister.

    Reply to Objection 3. As Rabanus says (De Instit. Cleric. i), "the baptized is signed by the priest with chrism on the top of the head, but by the bishop on the forehead; that the former unction may symbolize the descent of the Holy Ghost on hint, in order to consecrate a dwelling to God: and that the second also may teach us that the sevenfold grace of the same Holy Ghost descends on man with all fulness of sanctity, knowledge and virtue." Hence this unction is reserved to bishops, not on account of its being applied to a more worthy part of the body, but by reason of its having a more powerful effect.
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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #58 on: April 21, 2023, 02:24:00 PM »
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  • The distinction between necessity supplying jurisdiction for valid confessions, but not supplying it in the matter of priestly confirmations seems to be this:

    According to Pohle-Preuss, not even necessity can validate a priestly confirmation without the delegation of the pope, for the reason which follows:

    “In extraordinary cases simple priests can administer Confirmation, but only with special powers granted by the Pope. This Proposition may be technically qualified as "sententia certa.
    Proof. Hugh of St. Victor, Durandus, and other Scholastic theologians deny the right of the Supreme Pontiff to grant the special power referred to; but there is now no longer any reason to doubt it. Thomists, Scotists, Bellarmine, Suarez and De Lugo, all regard Confirmation administered by simple priests with papal autority as valid. Our thesis cannot be demonstrated directly from Sacred Scripture and we therefore have to rely on Tradition... [here follows a proof from the Eastern Tradition]...
    b) In the Latin Church Confirmation, as a rule, has always been administered by bishops, and only in exceptional cases by priests.
    This practice, which is far more in conformity with the dogmatic teaching defined at Trent, gained the upper hand in the West afther the thirteenth centutry, when Baptism and Confirmation gradually became separated by constantly lengthening intervals of time. The administration of Confirmation by priests was and is comparatively rare, but cases have occurred in every century since the time of Gregory the Great, though always with express papal authorization and with chrism consecrated by bishops. Since the Council of Trent the Holy see has at various times granted the right to administer Confirmation to Jesuit missionaries, to the Custodian of the Holy Sepulchre at Jerusalem, the Provost of St. Hedwig's Church in Berlin and other priests.
    c) It is not easy to justify this exceptional practice in view of the fact that the validity of Confirmation has nothing to do with the power of jurisdiction, but depends entirely on the character of ordination.
    A deacon, for instance, could not validly administer this sacrament even with papal permission, whilst, on the other hand, a heretical, schismatic, suspended or excommunicated bishop can do so even against the express command of the Pope. How, then, is it possible for a simple priest to confirm validly, if the papal permit does not supply the lack of episcopal consecration?
    Various attempts have been made to overcome this difficulty.
    Some theologians have assumed that the papal delegation is not a mere extrinsic permission but implies an intrinsic perfectioning of the character of ordination by which the delegated priest receives the episcopal character. Others hold with Suarez that the papal authorization merely gives to the delegated priest a higher extrinsic dignity which, together with his sacredotal character, suffices to enable him to administer the Sacrament validly. Both hypotheses are unsatisfactory. A simpler and more effective solution is that devised by Gregory of Valentia. It was the will of Christ, he says, that both bishops and priests should be empowered to administer Confirmation, the former as ordinary ministers of the sacrament by virtue of the episcopal consecration the latter as its extraordinary ministers by virtue of the priesthood, leaving it to the pope to determine the manner of exercising this latent power."

    Pohle, Joseph, Ph.D., D.D.. The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise. Trans. Preuss. 1917. Herder: St. Louis. Pp. 310-13

    Does this apply if there is no pope since b16 died?

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #59 on: April 21, 2023, 03:50:29 PM »
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  • This is an issue I've done some research on (I sent the quotes to Sean, as I'm mostly just on mobile these days and didn't have time to format them correctly). The question of priestly confirmations is one on which all canonists and theologians are concurred: priests cannot validly confirm except and unless they have direct and explicit approval from the pope (including via indult). Priests cannot appeal to epikeia to validly confirm. I encourage people to read over the material Sean posted carefully. It is abundantly clear, even if it is disappointing. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).